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    Wow! Trump got a response from the crowd that only rock stars usually receive. One thing is for sure. Trump people are passionate about the symbol Trump represents.

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    After Comey announced the reopening of the private server investigation, MSM went wild speculating all over that, but Alex Jones said, wait. Kim Dotcom just told everyone exactly how to get all of the deleted emails back, and now it looks like Wikileaks itself is about to release all of them publicly in the coming week, in just days really. So Alex said he thinks Comey is hedging his bets and throwing a bone to Trump, a distraction away from Obama (who was recently shown in Wikileaks to also be using an alias and emailing Hillary on her illegal server, and then the Democrats trying to cover that fact up -- obstruction of justice), and saving himself from both internal pressure from the FBI as well as pressure from Trump saying this whole thing was going to be investigated. Comey was recently shown to have taken a bribe in the form of a political donation to someone close to him, in the form of about $600,000 from the Clintons. Since that's public, you know a Trump "drain the swamp" campaign in Washington wouldn't be looking at him too kindly for that.

    So all of this gets complicated but I noticed something pretty remarkable, for me at least. Sean Hannity came to the exact same conclusion as Alex Jones and they are both dissenting from MSM to say that Comey was covering his ass and that this is a distraction for what's really in the works here.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...wikileaks.html

    The magnitude of the conspiracy going on here (collusion from Obama to Lynch to Clinton, even to FBI director Comey, to cover up "high crimes and misdemeanors") has come completely to the surface of popular culture and the stuff that Alex Jones is saying on InfoWars has become exactly the same stuff that people like Sean Hannity and Newt Gingrich are saying on live f'in MSM TV and radio. Newt Gringrich even said months ago that the reason the Republican establishment hates Trump is because he's not in their "secret society." And Gingrich meant that just how it sounds.


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtkbqoxZERA




    Btw did you hear how the crowd was chanting two things at once in your video modwiz? They were chanting both "Trump, Trump" and "Lock her up" at the same time, and it was kind of in sync. They were making music and literally yelling, "Trump, lock her up."
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    It seems the source of the Podesta emails is Mr Braverman himself. Seems <- being the operative word.

    All these new developments all seem to point to a shift from the establishment on to something new. Seems <- again being the operative word.

    If you consider that Assange is on internet lockdown, who is continuing to release these emails? Who has the capability of determining which ones don't contain classified information? Much like Snowden, I think Assange is backed by one of these factional groups, perhaps a group within the NSA. It certainly can't be his old partner, the ideology behind the release is not an attack on government, rather it is much more aimed.

    It would seem that all the capabilities the NSA groups have worked so diligently to keep suppressed are being used and, in a sense, even exposed for all the world to see.

    So the question is: do the possibilities of power wielding of those who can muster this scenario seem less sinister than the power wielding possibilities of the group backing Hillary?

    The point was made some time ago, at least Hillary is a known quantity...

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    This "government faction" at play would explain Hannity's views as "professional courtesy"; their move is not to tear down the institution, but something far more precise.
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    I'm an outsider not paying too much daily attention in my country here, but along with the storyline, I also see the hint of "Vote for DT or else HC will pull the trigger!" And in my view, where we have the pinnacle of the so-called modern, evolved, and sophisticated western world (the mantra it drips on its populations) It is pretty dire to think you have that choice, stalemated with the gun threat of HC pulling the trigger. Yet the potentially more dangerous of them is the reformer. This guy could get the people to give all sorts of new consents to 'overhaul' all sorts of things. The role is just a bit obvious. The "solution" section, where the knight rides in and says, look at all the lies they have been telling, I shall save you.

    As an aside, I always felt Alex Jones would be used for reference in this version of how it plays. Send the masses off to him. Good thing? Bad thing? First port of call for the new story for the freshly opened eyes. I guess he has been most prominent so it stands to reason. My scrutiny of him over the years has been with this sort of scenario in mind and that has been the concerning part for I have always seen him as one endorsing anger and violence.

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    Quote Originally posted by Nothing
    It is pretty dire to think you have that choice, stalemated with the gun threat of HC pulling the trigger.
    DJT appears very pro-America. HRC has difficulty even sending a message that she is pro-woman.

    My problem with Alex Jones has to do with his style of commentary. Those reference to religious fear icons (evil, devil etc etc) fall upon my ears as though the doctrine is something to be ignored. Faith based dogma may be easily accepted by some people but I will say that Alex did nothing to weigh on my views.

    I just happen to find that his views are similar to mine.

    For controversialists, Milo Yiannopoulos makes a much more compelling argument. Even Ann Coulter... I don't always agree with them either but at least their arguments are more compelling.

    Did you notice anyone with relative charisma who is standing up for HRC? Some people, Oprah, have endorsed her but I'm not aware of much "boots on the ground" action speaking in tandem; It may be that her broadcasting company and production company require the endorsement for all I know. Same thing for DeNiro. It seems like endorsements can be bought; that says quite a bit to me.

    The real gun of which we should remember about is the capacity to control "availability of information". Secrets are kept because of how big a gun it really is. We are all predictable in that we act in accordance to what we like, our preferences. Absolutely nobody chooses what they dislike, or what disgusts them.

    So if information becomes available that can defines the way we feel about something, it effectively can define the choice we make. People who control such information also control the choices of people sensitive to their information.

    My previous posting is only to remind us all that this single factor being used to sway the tide to one candidate or another, especially when organizations in the business of secrets get involved, can only mean that we are all being played. DJT may be worse, all of this may be a big fat "false flag".

    Almost nobody can really know for sure, about whether they are choosing "freely".
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    Mike Cernovich's book, MAGA* Mindset, dissecting the rise of Donald Trump and why he's right for the times,
    has been released in full, for free, spoken by Stefan Molyneux.

    I've listen to the introduction and it sounds to be a brilliant work...


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5vWafU7Sl0


    * Make America Great Again

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    Cernovich is brilliant.

    I haven't read his books but what he is doing on twitter is epic.

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    I just looked at Cernovich's Twitter feed and learned that Hillary Clinton actually said this: "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." She said that at one of her big $10,000 plate dinners, ie one of her many bribes. After 8 years of communist Obama I don't think most people have much to give anymore.

    Quote Originally posted by lcam88 View Post
    It seems the source of the Podesta emails is Mr Braverman himself. Seems <- being the operative word.
    Ah okay. I did a search on that and from what I read the story originated from "Sorcha Faal," but there are some Wikileaks emails and a known history between Braverman and the Clinton Foundation that make it plausible.

    All these new developments all seem to point to a shift from the establishment on to something new. Seems <- again being the operative word.

    If you consider that Assange is on internet lockdown, who is continuing to release these emails? Who has the capability of determining which ones don't contain classified information? Much like Snowden, I think Assange is backed by one of these factional groups, perhaps a group within the NSA. It certainly can't be his old partner, the ideology behind the release is not an attack on government, rather it is much more aimed.
    I think the same thing. There are "white hat" organizations behind these guys and they've probably got eyes and ears embedded in a lot of places.

    So the question is: do the possibilities of power wielding of those who can muster this scenario seem less sinister than the power wielding possibilities of the group backing Hillary?
    This is my take on what has unfolded in the last few years:

    - Obama began overthrowing more foreign governments than Bush, but with less military commitment to restoring peace afterward. (Egypt, Libya, Ukraine, Syria)
    - Under Obama, the military started to become more and more rebellious among high-ranking officers, and Obama was firing hundreds of them.
    - During the Winter Olympics in Sochi, the Ukraninian government is overthrown by Obama's State Department with NATO performing military drills nearby.
    - The Obama administration keeps using Syria and Ukraine to antagonize Russia, and at one point it becomes pretty tense, with fascist Ukrainian missiles being fired into Russian territory, just asking for a Russian military response.
    - There are rumors that a dirty nuke will be taken into a Russian city by the CIA and detonated in order to provoke Russia even more.

    So the above is the big build-up until we're already on the brink of WW3, ie going into a direct, hot war with Russia. So then this is what happened after that:

    - There are reports online that traffic has been blocked to the CIA headquarters in Langley, and images are shown with yellow tape strung across roads. I think one person described the CIA headquarters as on "lockdown."
    - Jade Helm is carried out, a supposed military exercise/drill that has US forces deployed largely in Florida and Texas, which is exactly where the Bush crime network is strongest. I think this was the neutering of the Bush faction by military white hats.

    Bill Clinton was from Arkansas, which is like a back-woods satellite of Texas in many ways. He was working with the Bushes already in the 1980's in a bunch of criminal stuff, ie Iran-Contra and Mena and all that. Obama and Hillary Clinton come out of the international communist network in Chicago, but without strong support from the US military/intelligence networks, these guys are very vulnerable. And that vulnerability has been taken advantage of, I believe by elements of the US military and others, to create the situation we are in now. And this is a situation where we are presented with the opportunity to really clean house and reset things in many ways.

    Remember that one of Trump's closest advisors, that he travels the country with, is retired general Michael Flynn who was director of the DIA (military intelligence). That is Trump's most obvious advisory from the military white hats.

    I thought this meme was appropriate since Hillary supports abortions at any time before birth:

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    Quote Originally posted by bsbray View Post
    After 8 years of communist Obama I don't think most people have much to give anymore.
    I don't like Barack Obama any more than you do, but if you're going to be calling him a communist, then you're exposing yourself as a typical misinformed US Acronymian. I thought — and would have hoped — that members of the so-called "alternative community" would already long have been knowledgeable enough to rise above those ridiculous indoctrination memes and that Big Commie Scare™ propaganda by now.


    If Obama truly were a communist, then the first thing he would have done is seize control of the entire USA'n economy, and yet he — and the entire US Democratic Party with him — are doing all they can to placate their overlords of the privately owned USA-based transnational corporations. To a certain extent, even law enforcement, penitentiary institutions and military operations have already been relegated to private corporations, both under Obama and under Bush Jr.

    That's not communism. It's not even socialism. That's fascism, even though I will acknowledge that most Acronymians — and most Europeans as well for that matter — have an equally misinformed idea regarding what fascism really is as they do regarding socialism and communism.

    Fascism is not national-socialism (alias Nazism), even though Nazism was a form of fascism. Fascism is a system in which private corporations dictate the internal affairs of the nation by way of a puppet government. Barack Obama is clearly a corporate puppet, and so is Hillary Clinton, and so were all four of the Bush administrations — I'm not even going to dig farther back into the Acronymian past, because it didn't suddenly start with Bush Jr. Even here in Europe, our national and EU-level politicians — or at least, those in positions of power — are corporate puppets.

    Ever since the days of Joseph McCarthy, the US Republicans have been so scared of The Commies™ that they refer to anything involving government-supported welfare as "communist" or "socialist", while they're missing the elephant in the room, i.e. that they are actually living in a (crypto-)fascist nation.

    I'm sorry, but that kind of propaganda-imbued and Cold War-indocrinated US Republican bigotry gets my goat evey time.
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    LOL!

    I find these backhand sort of circumstantial scenarios that are the basis for these MIMES are most telling. And this is not the first one, there are so many contradictions...

    I'm not sure where the podesta emails really came from, you may be right. I can't think of any other single thing that would cause the Yale grad to go to the Russians for protection and that is the reason the rumor I heard sounded credible to me... They might have come directly from the NSA for all we know. What do you mean "Sorcha Faal"? (Sounds like a latin-based term, to me that seems to mean: "Sorcha" => source, Faal => bad, false, fake, farse?)

    In all the White Spy vs Black Spy scenarios, it is implausible to attribute good or bad to either one. However we break it down into the enemy of our enemy or oppressor is our friend.

    When we hear "White Hat" we tend to think of the good guys, those who fight for an interest that is more correlated with our own. We think they are at least. But I know what you are saying. Its just that there is no way to know if the enemy of our enemy is actually our friend, we can only hope so.

    That Hillary quote you started on is quite Hitlery.

    Your build-up points are good. I'd like to add a though to them, regarding Russia, and this is something I picked up from Mr Farrells News and Views:

    Russia has 40% market share of the European Energy market by way of a natural gas pipeline through the Ukraine. That was a major sticking point when the Russian Friendly and democratically elected PM was ousted in that coup. Somehow the Europeans found out Russia had them by the balls and yet they still decided to play.

    You certainly know that the Saudis have lots of natural gas, they just pump it back into the wellhead to keep the pressure up, right? But if a pipeline could pipe that to Europe, Russia would become financially troubled, ripe for an international bank takeover... The problem is that a Russian ally, Syria wasn't playing ball with the European energy plans!

    So it was decided that the Syrian President needed to be changed, perhaps someone who would rubber stamp a pipeline through the country. That is why Russia is willing to go nuclear; their financial independence is at stake until the Chinese pipeline comes up. Syria values their relation with Russia, and vis versa...

    Steven Ben-Nun on INL (Israeli New Live) claims that "the dragon has empowered the beast" (something he got from the mark of the beast verses...). To suppose that it is actually the Catholic Church that is behind NATO and EU politics (the beast being the figure of power and rage). That the conflict with Russia may be something very old that has fomented since the time the Russians abolished organized religion in the days of the Czar... You may be more informed about these details than I am.

    The head of the Russian Orthdox Church even visited Rome on a mission to "bring peace", as you may recall. Anyway, the Catholic Church behind NATO only makes sense if you consider they are hedging the US gold debt with their own reserves of unknown size... This is more inline with ideas I got from Mr Farrell again. I don't know if it is actually true, but it seems like the Church has plans to try and unite the populations of the various related faiths. Migrants to the EU seems a requirement for such a plan. <shrug/>

    In that light, it seem that nuclear war as looming inevitability of WWIII, is a creation of this dragon. As you may recall, the Catholic Church was a supporter of Hitler's ideas and actions... They too are (or at least where) quite Hitlery...

    Steven post pictures he took within the Vatican, the paintings clearly depicts a red dragon in the belly of the central emblem iconifying the Catholic Pope... (roll eyes) That is where things stand for me at this moment. I even found one for your entertainment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmuBoxPQBLA&t=3m57s (NOTE: time queued youtube clip, Aragorn please do not use the video tool.)

    Personally, I could never understand why the Ukraine and Siria or the rest of the middle east was so important for the US. Money, profits, oil, yeah... But things don't make as much sense when you consider shale oil producers in the Dakotas going broke... There always seemed to be something missing.

    I can't quite see how the Bush and Clinton / Texas Arkansas and Chicago elements fit in this picture. I didn't know of the roads being closed and Jade helm until you mentioned it above.

    As always, bsbray, I enjoy reading your comments when I have the time. Always insightful and I normally feel more informed.

    Am I going to far out on the limb in your views?

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I don't like Barack Obama any more than you do, but if you're going to be calling him a communist, then you're exposing yourself as a typically misinformed US Acronymian.
    I'm afraid you're the misinformed one this time Aragorn because Obama was in fact mentored by communists in Chicago.

    Scholar Speaks on Obama’s Red Mentor

    The black scholar who previously revealed Obama’s personal relationship with Communist Party operative Frank Marshall Davis is now speaking in detail on the record. Professor Gerald Horne says that while the relationship is noteworthy and should have been uncovered by the press, there is no evidence that Davis turned Obama “into some sort of Manchurian candidate.”

    However, Professor Paul Kengor’s book about Davis, The Communist, argues that Davis had a significant influence on the formation of Obama’s Marxist views and policies as President.

    Horne, who holds the John J. and Rebecca Moores Chair of History and African American Studies at the University of Houston, is a contributor to Communist Party USA publications such as Political Affairs magazine. He spoke at a March 23, 2007, event at New York University’s Tamiment Library to celebrate the donation of Communist Party materials to the library.

    It was at that event that Horne, speaking before an audience that included Communist Party leaders, discussed then-Senator Barack Obama’s relationship with a Communist Party figure in Hawaii, Davis, who died in 1987.

    The revelation that a U.S. senator preparing to run for president was linked to a high-level official of the Communist Party, a party which had been funded by Moscow and used to infiltrate the U.S. government, seemed like big news. Yet, despite coverage of Horne’s remarks by blogger Trevor Loudon and Accuracy in Media before Obama won his first presidential term in 2008, the major U.S. media ignored the relationship and the matter of whether Davis had influenced Obama’s politics, and even had recruited him to the Marxist cause. It was apparent that the media did not want to publicize anything that might inhibit the election of the first black president in the U.S.
    http://www.aim.org/aim-column/schola...as-red-mentor/

    There's plenty more to read in that article alone. Take some time and look at this information and let it sink in. There has been a lot going on here since the early 1900's, as far as Communist activism, and I'm sure you aren't aware of the half of it.


    The ties to Frank Marshall Davis aren't the only ones Obama has to communism.

    Bill Ayers confirms what Obama has denied
    Weatherman domestic terrorist finally spills the beans

    Weatherman domestic terrorist Bill Ayers is now confirming what the White House has previously denied – that he held a fundraiser in his living room for Barack Obama.

    That 1995 meeting was said to have launched Obama’s political career.

    In an October 2008 interview on MSNBC host Chris Matthews’ show, Robert Gibbs, a spokesman for Obama’s presidential campaign, categorically denied the fundraiser was ever held.

    Matthews asked Gibbs: “Did [Ayers] have a fundraiser for [Obama], or not?”

    Gibbs, who would become the White House spokesman, replied: “No, he did not have a fundraiser for our candidate as he said ten seconds ago.”

    However, in an interview last week with the Daily Beast, Ayers recalled that fundraiser.

    Stated Ayers of his relationship with Obama: “We were friendly, that was true; we served on a couple of boards together, that was true; he held a fundraiser in our living room, that was true; Michelle [Obama] and Bernardine were at the law firm together, that was true. Hyde Park in Chicago is a tiny neighborhood, so when he said I was ‘a guy around the neighborhood,’ that was true.”
    http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/bill-ayer...ma-has-denied/


    Please let that article sink in too. Ayers and his wife were communist radicals around the 60s/70s, that actually made bombs and were trying to kill lots of people in the US. After the FBI started to crack down on them they went into Chicago politics.

    Ayers and Obama: What the Media Hid

    Obama’s connection to Bill Ayers, like his connection to Jeremiah Wright, briefly became a campaign issue in 2008. The Obama campaign was quick to distance the candidate from the 60’s domestic terrorist, even as blogs continued to dig up evidence connecting the two men. Eventually the issue became enough of a story that, on October 3rd, the NY Times weighed with a piece titled “Obama and ’60s Bomber: A Look Into Crossed Paths” by author Scott Shane. Looking back it’s clear that the Times’ story downplayed or overlooked some significant connections between the two men, connections which may have raised red flags for some voters.

    According to Bill Ayers’ next door neighbor, Senator Barack Obama was a guest at a 4th of July party Ayers hosted in 2005. The date is significant because it effectively undercuts the claim, made by the Obama campaign during the 2008 election cycle, that Obama and Ayers were merely acquaintances who had only crossed paths a few times since 2000. Obama’s attendance at the party suggests they were friends.

    The claim that Obama hadn’t “spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail” with Ayers since 2005 appears in retrospect to have been a Clintonian parsing of the truth. In fact, it now appears they spoke face to face at Ayers 4th of July party. But notice there’s a bit of goalpost moving being done by LaBolt here as well. No one suggested that Ayers was a political adviser to candidate Obama. The suggestion was that the two men were friends and that the friendship might indicate that the two shared similar worldviews. That’s the story the NY Times and the rest of the media never fully investigated in 2008.

    Shane’s story does note that the Obama-Ayers connection began with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a school grant initiative which Ayers helped bring to Chicago. Obama was later selected to be the Chairman of the Board for the CAC. Shane notes that “some bloggers” have suggested Ayers tapped Obama for the position but he goes on to explain this probably wasn’t the case. The impression is that these unnamed bloggers have unfairly overstated the connection the two men shared.

    However, Shane overlooks the more obvious (and easily documented) connection. Various boards on which Obama sat in the late 90s granted nearly $2 million dollars to Bill Ayers’ Small Schools Workshop. This archived webpagenotes over one million granted to Ayers’ project by the CAC, but the Woods Fund and Joyce Foundation (on whose Boards Obama also sat) granted nearly an additional million in donations to Ayers’ group during the same time period.

    In addition to donations to Ayers’ Small Schools Workshop group, the same foundations donated $761,100 to a related group run by Ayers’ brother, John Ayers. In fact, in 2001 Obama would join the “leadership council” of a successor to the CAC called the Chicago Public Education Fund. Also on the leadership council of the group was Bill Ayers’ brother John. (Documents demonstrating this connection have been hidden from view on the internet archive using robots.txt).

    It’s easy to claim that Obama and Ayers weren’t “close.” How does one measure “close” in the absence of detailed personal history that isn’t available in this case. It’s much harder to deny the connection implied by the nearly $3 million dollars Obama helped direct to Bill Ayers and his brother. Why didn’t Shane Scott see fit to mention any of this?
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journal...4/obama-ayers/

    I'm a student of history, I can speak French and read French news, I'm learning German and have started reading German news, and I've got to say something about Europeans. In general, European governments are still way up Marx's ass, and I know there is a lot of snobbery in Europe that looks to the US as politically backwards because we're not so leftist as Europe. I have a problem with that. You guys are going to learn, sooner or later, as painfully as you want to make it for yourselves, that all this idealistic "Utopia" type stuff is the stuff of Orwell, every single time. You don't get anything for free, and all those government entitlements and nanny state stuff you love so much in Europe is exactly how you lose freedom and liberty to your governments. The idea of trying to force "equality" is more important than the idea of liberty in Europe as far as I can tell, and that's why I say you guys are still way up Marx's ass and I don't think it's something to brag about.

    The Rothschilds promoted Communism in order to have more control over populations. If you look into that connection, it's all you need to understand about what big nanny-state government is really about.

    I thought — and would have hoped — that members of the so-called "alternative community" would already long have been knowledgeable enough to rise above those ridiculous indoctrination memes and that Big Commie Scare™ propaganda by now.
    On the contrary, I just had to study this period in detail and there was actual basis to both Red Scares. The USSR and other communist elements really had infiltrated our government, media and entertainment. Stalin had people on the Manhattan Project reporting directly to him. They were in the newspapers writing propaganda articles and in Hollywood making propaganda movies. We got a lot of this verification after the USSR collapsed and lots of paperwork was released. I doubt though that this made many headlines in Europe. But don't tell me that you're disappointed in people still believing this stuff. I'm disappointed in you not being more aware of what was going on here in the states, while we were keeping the Soviets on the other side of Europe. From the way you talk I'd almost think you would have preferred the Iron Curtain extended to the Atlantic Coast, which maybe would have been better for Europe in the end, to give you guys a taste of what you think you love so much compared to evil, evil capitalism.

    See how many countries you can think of that in about 200 years developed from a few million people in a wilderness to the 3rd most populous nation on Earth, many times larger geographically, with massive industry and global cultural influence. All in about 200 years. We received millions and millions of immigrants who came here for better living conditions. We have a system that accomplished this for us, and it wasn't Marxism or Communism, "that I can tell you." So I don't get the European snobbery because Communism and Marxism have so far accomplished absolutely nothing like that. Instead of utopias it seems to ensure the rise of totalitarianism. If we had adopted those governments in 1776 we would be like Venezuela or Mexico today, ie a 3rd world mess.

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    Quote Originally posted by lcam88 View Post
    The head of the Russian Orthdox Church even visited Rome on a mission to "bring peace", as you may recall. Anyway, the Catholic Church behind NATO only makes sense if you consider they are hedging the US gold debt with their own reserves of unknown size... This is more inline with ideas I got from Mr Farrell again. I don't know if it is actually true, but it seems like the Church has plans to try and unite the populations of the various related faiths. Migrants to the EU seems a requirement for such a plan. <shrug/>
    There is something weird going on in the Vatican too, since that previous pope resigned. I was listening to Farrell talk about it and he seemed to think that Pope Francis is actually going to clean house, that he had contracted a real reputable financial group to audit Vatican finances. I don't know what exactly the Vatican is holding onto as leverage for power anymore anyway, since their heyday is long over and organized religion has taken a serious pounding from secularization in the West.

    I can't quite see how the Bush and Clinton / Texas Arkansas and Chicago elements fit in this picture. I didn't know of the roads being closed and Jade helm until you mentioned it above.
    I'm just starting to put the network together myself but since the Clinton Foundation has become so exposed through Wikileaks, it's been easier to link things up. It's like an "emperor wears no clothes" situation, because these guys are not nearly the monolithic control structures that conspiracy theorists have assumed they were. And local crime networks in cities like Dallas, Chicago or Miami seem to have more autonomy in their criminal enterprises than I thought. The DNC has just been contracting these local crime networks (people like Scott Foval) to do what they want, and that's where the national organization is coming from.

    If you try to look at the Bush connections like this, it's not nearly as easy to trace. Obviously we didn't have Wikileaks during the Bush administrations. But it's also obvious that George H.W. Bush was operating with a criminal network that included Nixon, Cheney, Rumsfeld and others at least since the 1970's, and a lot of this power no doubt drew from Bush's position as director of the CIA. What was going on in Mena is a great example. The Clintons were crooked enough to turn a blind eye and allow it to happen, but the Bush/CIA network is what was actually organizing this massive military-like criminal operation that involved drug and arms shipments internationally and around the US internally. I think 9/11 was also largely the result of the same planning and organization of this Bush faction, even if Farrell's theory of multiple levels is also true. When/if that corrupt Bush military/intel connection was cut off by white hats, if that's in fact what happened around the time of Jade Helm, then the Clinton crime family was also instantly crippled by that whether they realized it at the time or not.

    They have corrupt financial backing still, and their cultivated media machine, but they don't appear to have the actual military/intel force to back that up anymore. And that's why they're teetering now and are about to crash hard.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn
    I don't like Barack Obama any more than you do, but if you're going to be calling him a communist, then you're exposing yourself as a typical misinformed US Acronymian.
    So you think communistic is a not good way to describe the health care plan that is his legacy?

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    Quote Originally posted by bsbray
    If you try to look at the Bush connections like this, it's not nearly as easy to trace. Obviously we didn't have Wikileaks during the Bush administrations. But it's also obvious that George H.W. Bush was operating with a criminal network that included Nixon, Cheney, Rumsfeld and others at least since the 1970's, and a lot of this power no doubt drew from Bush's position as director of the CIA. What was going on in Mena is a great example. The Clintons were crooked enough to turn a blind eye and allow it to happen, but the Bush/CIA network is what was actually organizing this massive military-like criminal operation that involved drug and arms shipments internationally and around the US internally. I think 9/11 was also largely the result of the same planning and organization of this Bush faction, even if Farrell's theory of multiple levels is also true. When/if that corrupt Bush military/intel connection was cut off by white hats, if that's in fact what happened around the time of Jade Helm, then the Clinton crime family was also instantly crippled by that whether they realized it at the time or not.
    I see what you mean.

    Obama seems to be "down" with Afghanistan and opium production. The US stated they where going in to fight drugs; but what they really did was fight the opponents of their drug operators. Production is at record levels, business is booming. I can link an article from zerohedge or RT if you want. Perhaps opium based drug statistics from Chicago would be interesting to look at in context of the Obama administration?

    I still can't see the connection between Bush/Clinton and Obama in reference to Rome and their European agenda...

    Jade Helm and the aspects of "quarantine"... do you know whether that was in response to another potential internal leak, or was that some measure of managing an external threat? I imagine their network monitoring capacity is state of the art...

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    The whole idea that it's the government's responsibility to force all of its citizens to buy healthcare is leftist as hell. This is the big government I'm talking about. Soon they will be nursing our babies with bottles and then grown ass adults with bottles too.

    I just came across this video of a Scandinavian woman talking about the same thing. She says the West has become more leftist than Russia, pointing out that the left is making Russia into the enemy again because it is actually becoming more nationalistic and Christian. No doubt Russia is still having a reaction to its many learning experiences under decades of communism.


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV_AIN4CS9M



    Earlier I posted a cartoon from 1948 against "isms," by which they really meant leftist ideologies. In that video, when the narrator calls the people in the cartoon capitalists, they blush red with embarrassment until the narrator tells them not to be ashamed. Look. This is a 1948 cartoon and it's reflecting the popular sentiment in culture even right after WW2 that capitalism was bad. Where would they get that idea? Certainly not from the massive industrial power and wealth of industrial America, which was still booming more than ever back then. We were far from hurting economically, so where is all the criticism coming from, do you think? It was coming from leftist propaganda pouring out of newspaper presses and Hollywood movies. That's where it got into peoples' heads that capitalism is such an evil horrendous thing, even as they lived in unprecedented prosperity because of it. The USSR was often depicted in Hollywood as some kind of utopian dream land.

    Just as the masses of common people are supporting Trump for traditional values, it was the common people resisting all of this leftist propaganda in the US too. God knows it wasn't Hollywood and the press fighting for traditional values during all those years of expanded entitlement programs and government spending. We've been dealing with this problem for decades and it has only gotten worse, funded by international elites.

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