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    Gee bsbray, maybe you need to step back a bit and give yourself a break from all this political B.S. I think you might have missed the message in Plato's Cave or maybe I should say, that is not the message I got from watching it!

    I feel for all of the US citizens and at the same time Canadians who dumbly accept the same S**t as you Americans when it comes to the corruption in our Countries.

    The message I got fom Plato's Cave is that most are still chained and still watching the shadows and not even aware of those moving the shadows back and forth.

    Both Hillary and Donald are the shadow movers and what their motives are sit only with them. Your choice of president is dismal to say the least IMHO.

    However, one can certainly say the USA is in for a hell of a ride either way. Hillary is a classic phsycopath and Donald is a classic narcissist by their charateristics alone >>neither's agenda is to benefit others or the common man least of all.

    Should Donald become President (ends up not being a shill for Hillary); and he in some miraculous way begins to make real and genuine changes to benefit not only the country but the people too, he like JFK will be eliminated. The corrupt Global Controllers won't bow down to him in any way, shape or form.

    Every awake American will have to continue, individually; to work on waking their fellow man, till the day comes when so few are participating in this game that the game board/bored are shut down from lack of activity in such deception and corruption.

    Lets hope that the awake and aware get to see that and not just expereince the angst of working to make it happen, while watching the game and game players moves of self destruction..

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    Quote Originally posted by sandy View Post
    Gee bsbray, maybe you need to step back a bit and give yourself a break from all this political B.S. I think you might have missed the message in Plato's Cave or maybe I should say, that is not the message I got from watching it!
    I know what Plato's cave is about. It's a metaphor for the fact that just because we have sensory perceptions doesn't mean we can know objectively what the source of those perceptions are. It's a central concept in Plato's philosophy of transcendentalism. I've read books on the subject before. It has nothing to do with politics. It has more to do with the philosophical idea behind movies like The Matrix.

    Political apathy became almost like some kind of counter-culture fad at some point and what's happened in our country politically since then has been a mess. Someone sitting back and saying they're not going to vote for anybody in this current election says to me that they haven't noticed that this hasn't been working either. Just because we have two bad candidates doesn't mean that therefore they are both equally bad and no one should vote.

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    Quote Originally posted by bsbray View Post
    Just because we have two bad candidates doesn't mean that therefore they are both equally bad and no one should vote.
    If it were up to me, I'd first expose the corruptness of the whole two-party dictatorship, then allow for Independents to run for office, and finally, vote for such an Independent. But that's just me, and I'm not an Acronymian.
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    I'm not saying don't vote. You have to do what works for you.


    I don't remember apathy happening in the movie series of the Matrix....quite the opposite as a matter of fact. I do believe we need to stand and oppose all the deception and corruption and I do the best I can to not partake or sit quiet and irritate the p**s out of others by informing them and pointing out the cracks in the veil of deceit.

    I just have notice a different tone in your posts as of late and my spidey sense has me wondering if you are stressed out because of this coming election and it's dynamics.

    Please don't burn yourself out as we need you .....you have such a good heart, mind and great communication skills backed up with quality research >>>>we and the world need you...I hope you are taking good care of yourself with getting lots of good sleep, good food, quality relationship time and some fun too.

    Quote Originally posted by bsbray View Post
    I know what Plato's cave is about. It's a metaphor for the fact that just because we have sensory perceptions doesn't mean we can know objectively what the source of those perceptions are. It's a central concept in Plato's philosophy of transcendentalism. I've read books on the subject before. It has nothing to do with politics. It has more to do with the philosophical idea behind movies like The Matrix.

    Political apathy became almost like some kind of counter-culture fad at some point and what's happened in our country politically since then has been a mess. Someone sitting back and saying they're not going to vote for anybody in this current election says to me that they haven't noticed that this hasn't been working either. Just because we have two bad candidates doesn't mean that therefore they are both equally bad and no one should vote.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    If it were up to me, I'd first expose the corruptness of the whole two-party dictatorship, then allow for Independents to run for office, and finally, vote for such an Independent. But that's just me, and I'm not an Acronymian.
    There are lots of examples of European countries, or Israel, or Brazil, that have lots of political parties and are every bit as corrupt as the US is. So I don't think diversifying the number of parties on the ballot sheet is going to necessarily curtail corruption any. Even if our third party candidates this election cycle had a chance, I don't have any reason to believe either of them would be any more effective than Donald Trump either. Jill Stein only wants to "stop expanding" free trade deals while Trump wants to redo them entirely. Gary Johnson didn't even know what Aleppo was a few weeks ago. So I don't know who picks those guys but they don't look any better to me, except that they would have less chance of getting us into WW3, which is always a good thing.


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    I'm not saying don't vote. You have to do what works for you.
    I meant Fred. I don't think he's into voting this year at all. And yes I am worried about the fate of the US and I am convinced, as many people are convinced where I live, that Hillary Clinton's policies and relationship with Wall Street are going to kill us as a country. I don't normally talk much about politics but I do like to follow international political developments because modern politics is a large part of what will become history for kids and grandkids down the road. When we look back to certain eras in the past and say, "Oh lord that was terrible what those people did back then," well that's going to be us in the history books if we continue the stupidity of trading administrations back and forth between the family and friends of the Bushes and Clintons. There is no point studying the past if we don't use it to inform our decisions today.

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    Quote Originally posted by bsbray View Post
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    Quote Originally posted by bsbray View Post
    Just because we have two bad candidates doesn't mean that therefore they are both equally bad and no one should vote.
    If it were up to me, I'd first expose the corruptness of the whole two-party dictatorship, then allow for Independents to run for office, and finally, vote for such an Independent. But that's just me, and I'm not an Acronymian.
    There are lots of examples of European countries, or Israel, or Brazil, that have lots of political parties and are every bit as corrupt as the US is.
    Oh, no argument from me over that. I see that here in Belgium as well.

    As I've expounded earlier already, I've briefly been a (supporting) member of a so-called "alternative" political party, and I see how the three major political "families" — the socialists, the Christian-democrats and the neo-liberals — are keeping the power divided between the three of them. Almost all of them are Freemasons anyway, and many of them are members of the same lodges. Their allegiance to their Worshipful Brothers (or Sisters) is greater than their allegiance to the interests of the population.

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    So I don't think diversifying the number of parties on the ballot sheet is going to necessarily curtail corruption any.
    Not the number in itself, no. But in the case of the USA, both parties of the bipartisan dichotomy are controlled by the same corporate entities, and are tied in with the same alphabet soup agencies. It's an organized crime syndicate. So the introduction of an Independent candidate — and this is why they're called Independents, with an uppercase initial — is going to throw sand into the mechanisms of that syndicate. It wouldn't completely obliterate the corruption, but it would certainly disrupt its infrastructure to the extent that the system starts coming apart at the hinges.

    At that point, more of the covered-up information will start leaking out to the general public, and future Independent candidates will have a chance of further breaking down the corruption from the inside out and replacing it with something of a least a great deal more integrity.

    Right now, such a thing is simply not possible. Look at what happened to JFK.

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    Even if our third party candidates this election cycle had a chance, I don't have any reason to believe either of them would be any more effective than Donald Trump either. Jill Stein only wants to "stop expanding" free trade deals while Trump wants to redo them entirely.
    Well, I never said Jill Stein was perfect. But she's a woman with integrity, and she's offering up a lot of sane points, such as the pardoning of Edward Snowden.

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    Gary Johnson didn't even know what Aleppo was a few weeks ago. So I don't know who picks those guys but they don't look any better to me, except that they would have less chance of getting us into WW3, which is always a good thing.
    Gary Johnson also has ties to the CIA and has the support from the Republican Party, both of which are suspect. And that he then still doesn't even know what Aleppo is makes it even worse.
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    Quote Originally posted by sandy View Post
    I'm not saying don't vote. You have to do what works for you.
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    I meant Fred. I don't think he's into voting this year at all.
    No, the 2010 mid term was the last year I voted. Up til then, I had dutifully stood in line at the ballot box every 2 years since becoming eligible to vote in 1984.


    Quote Originally posted by bsbray View Post
    And yes I am worried about the fate of the US...
    As am I. Hey listen man you've got one hell of a good head on your shoulders, and a big heart to go along with it, otherwise I wouldn't have even bothered here. Not surprisingly Sandy was ever so close on a big part of why I posted Plato's Cave, except that I see Trump and Hillary (and most other prominent figures) as not even the shadow makers, but the shadows on the wall itself.

    Neither shadow is going to change the conditions of the cave, nor unlock any shackles. But they certainly *can* be the source of many thrills and chills, as the onlookers trade accolades back and forth as to who properly identified what shadow. As you know the very heart of the allegory is that nothing is solved at the cave level, the cave itself must be transcended. That's where the magic begins.
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    [...] except that I see Trump and Hillary (and most other prominent figures) as not even the shadow makers, but the shadows on the wall itself.

    Neither shadow is going to change the conditions of the cave, nor unlock any shackles. But they certainly *can* be the source of many thrills and chills, as the onlookers trade accolades back and forth as to who properly identified what shadow. As you know the very heart of the allegory is that nothing is solved at the cave level, the cave itself must be transcended. That's where the magic begins.
    I agree 100%. And so did good old Albert...


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    Hey, I get it guys, both candidates are representing factions behind the scenes. You might have missed it but I've been saying that already since day one. I was following the primary season last fall, saying that Trump was representing the Pentagon faction that has broken with the CIA in Syria (represented most clearly by Michael Flynn on the Trump campaign) and is at odds with the Obama administration. I was watching his comments and the way he handled himself to rise to the top of the polls and I knew he was going to be the one to take on Hillary and for more than show, but basically as a war between two factions fighting for power in the US. I've been watching this unfold the entire time.

    I also think the Trump campaign has aligned with the Italian mob in NY and NJ. You don't have to look very far to see the connections because they are all the people he surrounds himself with and will probably make it into his cabinet if elected (Rudy Giuliani -- his dad was arrested for his mob activities --, Chris Christie, etc.). But the people the Clinton campaign is representing are far worse than the Italian mob and elements of the US military. She's representing the big bankers, Wall Street, big pharma, big oil, even the Bushes are supporting her. The difference is not even close.

    We don't get a perfect system, we get the system that we have had and that's all we have to work with. One month until election day isn't enough time to suddenly reform our voting system, something that, if anyone really cared about, they would have been focused on during the off-season. Wishing the situation was not so dire is imo not an excuse to stop participating at a time like this. They are both bad, they are both representing factions behind the scenes, but they are not both equally bad.


    To sum up...

    Trump campaign: Backed and supported by US military intelligence and the Italian mob. No, they are not angels.

    Clinton campaign: Backed and suppored by CIA, the Bushes, the big bankers, Wall Street, big oil, globalists, the mass media propaganda machine, big pharma... She is the establishment candidate.


    All you have to do is just follow the money. And the advisors.


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    Hillary should be in jail wow
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    Quote Originally posted by jonsnow View Post
    Hillary should be in jail wow
    There are people serving out a prison sentence who've committed fewer crimes than Hillary has. And then I'm not even getting into the crimes that her husband was guilty of, or the crimes that they were both guilty of by way of the Clinton foundation.
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    Heather Wade said Hillary looked scared after that comment. I don't see it. Maybe later in the debates...

    Trumps base was smelling blood and getting red meat. They were in high heaven Sunday.

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    The real election campaign just got started last Friday. By Sunday Trump had already held a press conference with four of the Clintons' accusers and then brought them to the debate with him. The media has been scrambling to repair the damage ever since, but then another release of emails from Wikileaks has exposed correspondence between Clinton's aides and the Department of Justice warning her of upcoming court orders. This is after the State Department itself was, not surprisingly, exposed as being complicit in everything that Hillary was doing there. There's going to be a lot of dirt in the next month.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Heather Wade said Hillary looked scared after that comment. I don't see it. Maybe later in the debates...
    Most of the time when she looks really evil it's when she's cackling, which is whenever she's accused of doing something wrong basically, or else talking about killing foreign heads of state (Gaddhafi).

    Maybe it's more of a look of insanity than pure evil:




    She did a lot of grinning and laughing while Trump was going over her scandals on Sunday, just like she normally does when her lies are being mentioned, but after a while she just sat on her stool and looked sour.

    The most telling reaction though I think was Bill's. Look how red is face is:


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