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    Russia slams US over airstrike that killed 'dozens of Syrian troops'

    Sky News, Sunday 18 September 2016.

    A US-led coalition airstrike which reportedly killed up to 80 Syrian soldiers jeopardises an American-Russian deal on Syria, says Moscow.

    US Central Command said the strike was immediately halted "when coalition officials were informed by Russian officials that it was possible the personnel and vehicles targeted were part of the Syrian military".

    A senior White House official said the US has relayed "regret" through the Russian government for the unintentional loss of life to Syrian forces.

    The UN Security Council held an emergency meeting overnight at the request of the Kremlin.

    The US ambassador to the United Nations, Samantha Power, rebuked Russia for the move.

    "Russia really needs to stop the cheap point scoring and the grandstanding and the stunts and focus on what matters, which is implementation of something we negotiated in good faith with them," Ms Power said.

    She said the US was investigating the airstrikes and "if we determine that we did indeed strike Syrian military personnel, that was not our intention and we of course regret the loss of life".

    When asked if the incident spelled the end of the Syria deal between Moscow and Washington, Russia's UN Ambassador Vitaly Churkin said: "This is a very big question mark.

    "I would be very interested to see how Washington is going to react. If what Ambassador Power has done today is any indication of their possible reaction then we are in serious trouble."

    He said he had never seen "such an extraordinary display of American heavy-handedness" as displayed by Ms Power at the acrimonious meeting.
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    US admits carrying out airstrike that killed Syrian soldiers

    The Sydney Morning Herald, September 18 2016.

    The Pentagon says it has halted an airstrike over Syria after Russia and the Syrian government accused US warplanes of responsibility for killing 60 Syrian soldiers.

    In a statement, the US military's Central Command admitted it had been carrying out a strike against a suspected Islamic State position in the eastern province of Deir al-Zour, but said it called off the assault after Russia said it was Syrian army positions that were being attacked, and not the Islamic State.

    Earlier, Syria and Russia had accused the US-led coalition of striking a Syrian army base and blamed the raid for an Islamic State advance in the area.

    It's feared the strike at Jebel Tharda near Deir al-Zor airport on Saturday will pave the way for Islamic State fighters to overrun the facility.

    Syria's army general command said in a statement the attack was "conclusive evidence" of US support for Islamic State, noting that the strike was "dangerous and blatant aggression".

    Islamic State said in a statement on its Amaq news channel it had gained "complete control" over Jebel Tharda.
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    RAAF admits it was involved in botched airstrike against Syrian troops

    7 News, September 18, 2016.

    US-led coalition jets have bombed a Syrian army position in the country's east, killing dozens of Syrian soldiers, say Russian authorities and a monitoring group.

    The Royal Australian Air Force has now admitted its forces were involved in the strike, which a Syrian army general claimed was proof the US and its allies were supporting ISIS.

    Fairfax Media reports The Australian Defence Force said on Sunday that RAAF planes were "among a number of international aircraft taking part in this Coalition operation".

    ""While Syria remains a dynamic and complex operating environment, Australia would never intentionally target a known Syrian military unit or actively support Daesh (also known as ISIL)," a statement said.

    "Defence offers its condolences to the families of any Syrian personnel killed or wounded in this incident."

    It's feared the strike at Jebel Tharda near Deir al-Zor airport on Saturday will pave the way for Islamic State fighters to overrun the facility.

    Syria's army general command said in a statement the attack was "conclusive evidence" of US support for Islamic State, noting that the strike was "dangerous and blatant aggression".
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    In political and military dealings in the world today, we need to have the leaders of the countries having a difference of opinion or disagreement get up in the boxing ring and duke it out between themselves and leave the rest of the innocents in the world out of the dispute. If the leaders got their noses bent (or broken) a few times, they would definitely rethink their disputes and differences of opinion. I contend as well, for an individual in any country to take the reins of leadership, it should be required that they pass a mental exam proving their sanity.

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    The following excerpts are from a war propaganda piece in The Australian newspaper, published two days ago. The article is titled, “RAAF rains down fiery justice on Islamic State” and it reported on a mission in Iraq.

    The insurgents from Islamic State, known locally by the Arabic acronym of Daesh, are watched day and night by manned and unmanned reconnaissance aircraft and satellites…
    To avoid civilian casualties and to minimise damage to Iraq’s battered infrastructure, each strike is conditional on a rigorous approval process.

    Technology, detailed intelligence and practice have made RAAF operations both deadlier and less dangerous. In the World War II D-Day battle for Normandy, at least 15,000 French civilians were killed, mainly by Allied bombing, as hundreds of giant aircraft carpet-bombed huge areas to score just a few direct hits. Today’s RAAF crews now can destroy most targets with a single bomb.

    Their weapons are so accurate, *pilots can target specific rooms in buildings. The Hornets’ crews can put a 500-pound projectile through an entrance the size of a garage door from 20,000ft up and 20km away.
    On this mission, the devastating arrival of two bombs is the culmination of an intense planning and preparation process that began 24 hours earlier…
    The U2 operates about 70,000ft, its pilot clad in a spacesuit. It is able to manoeuvre in a way a satellite cannot to check areas where suspicious movements have been seen.
    The Americans leave to refuel but before the Australians can *attack they must complete an exhaustive approvals process with a “target engagement authority” in the Combined Air Operations Centre, elsewhere in the Gulf, the command and control HQ for the air war.

    That officer is a “red card” holder who decides whether each target can be attacked.

    The process involves getting clearance from both the US and the Australian red card holders in consultation with their legal officers, who are expert in the laws of war and the current rules of engagement, and with Iraqi officials.

    If the Australian red card holder decides the target should not be attacked, the RAAF pilots will call off their strike.
    A US voice advises that “we’ve got robots in the area and they can look at it pretty quick”.

    Then the RAAF Hornets are cleared by the JTAC to hit the Islamic State fighters.

    To double-check they are *attacking the correct position, the pilots read back the co-ordinates they’ve programmed into the bombs.
    Gordon tells Inquirer precision comes of accurate, certain targeting based on strong intelligence and the right choice of weapon.
    “But they’re a desperate enemy and they’re cunning. They’ll use anything in their means but, as our commander, I’m comfortable that our tactics and our approach to the conflict manage that risk to an acceptable level.”
    In a coalition base, the US JTAC is watching the feed from unmanned spy planes that Gordon and the regular pilots refer to as “robots”, which are monitoring enemy movements.

    All of this information, a three-dimensional jigsaw puzzle of a war in progress, is fed instantly to fighter jets, the tanker and the operations centre.
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    And still yet another botched airstrike.

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    The purpose of the previous post is to illustrate the military's rigorous procedure for bombing targets.

    An article on inquiries into previous deaths (civilians); US to conduct second inquiry into claims of civilian casualties in Syria

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    I don't think these targets are ever hit by accident. The US military has been clearly split over Syria in the past, even though the top brass seem totally unwilling to take out Assad and would rather work with Russia, despite the Obama administration. This is the most obvious reason why I believe these same Pentagon officials would be lending their support to Trump and basically pushing him as an extremely delayed counter-coup to what happened in 1963.

    There was another high-ranking officer who was caught dropping supplies to ISIS by air. I think it was a general. His superiors outed him for it and fired him, but you know he had backing from someone, somewhere, for what he was doing, to be doing it for as long as he was and getting away with it. He also said that it was an "accident."

    The CIA is more blatant about it. They openly give weapons, cash and training to known terrorist groups that make up ISIS, including al Qaeda operatives. The only pretense of an excuse they give is that they only give weapons to "moderate rebels" and can't control what they do with them after that, even if they hand the weapons straight over to al Qaeda in Syria. These are the groups that the Pentagon is fighting. It's over for them. Assad is going nowhere at this point and they are screwed.

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    It was reported that an airstrike had been called off after Russia said there may have been Syrian troops at the target but the allied forces didn't bother to inform anyone they'd killed 80 Syrian troops until after Russia and Syria accused them of it. So we find out our surgically precise military did that...from Putin. Nice.

    I wonder what the allied forces would have to say if the same happened to us and Putin just came back with, oh stop your grandstanding. The arrogance and the deceit of the allied forces is disgraceful.

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    Quote Originally posted by Innocent Warrior View Post
    It was reported that an airstrike had been called off after Russia said there may have been Syrian troops at the target but the allied forces didn't bother to inform anyone they'd killed 80 Syrian troops until after Russia and Syria accused them of it. So we find out our surgically precise military did that...from Putin. Nice.

    I wonder what the allied forces would have to say if the same happened to us and Putin just came back with, oh stop your grandstanding. The arrogance and the deceit of the allied forces is disgraceful.
    It was at a Syrian army base. Were they "assisting" the SAA and got the wrong guys? No! The USA will not help the SAA (Syrian Arab Army) so the fact they were bombing a Syrian outpost has only one conclusion. Treachery and assisting ISIS. Having a harpy like Samantha Powers at the UN is an embarrassment extraordinaire. Her intellectual skills are dubious and she represents not only the USA but, women in a poor light. This is a woman who seems stuck in PMS mode. I feel for my sisters who go through this on a monthly basis and do not hold them responsible for the hormonal roller coaster ride it is for many of them. The ones who bring life to our planet have given us much in their choice to incarnate in that gender and I honor them. There was a time, in a wiser epoch not too long ago, when women had the luxury of a Moon Lodge to be able to take themselves out of the day to day struggles while they bled and went through hormonal releases that can make regular relating challenging. I would like to see Samantha Powers confined to such a lodge.

    Think about it guys, if we had a brother seeping blood from an orifice for a few days, would we expect him to conduct business as usual or would we suggest he rest until the issue ceased? We have half a population who experiences this for the bulk of their lives and it is time for us of all genders to remember and show some respect for that. We cannot expect it from corporations or lawyers so we should not wait for legislation. Such changing of our culture is what is needed and WE are the only ones that can make it happen. And, it will take a revolution of thought to do that.
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    I just found this article. It's related and very interesting. Israel also violated the cease fire a few days ago, on the 13th. They weren't so lucky. They lost two American-built fighters.

    I could only find the article in French, which to me is weird. Maybe Google is censoring news.

    Israël viole le cessez-le-feu en Syrie et perd deux avions

    Réseau Voltaire | 13 septembre 2016

    Le 13 septembre 2016, à 1h du matin, alors que le cessez-le-feu venait d’entrer en vigueur, l’aviation israélienne a tenté de détruire un poste de combat au Sud de la Syrie et des installations militaires près de la capitale, Damas.

    L’armée arabe syrienne a tiré des missiles de nouvelle génération contre les avions et les a touché. L’un des avions s’est écrasé en territoire tenu par les jihadistes, l’autre serait parvenu à se poser en Israël.

    Tsahal a d’abord démenti les deux incidents, puis a reconnu avoir violé l’espace aérien syrien et admis que la Syrie avait tenté d’abattre ses avions.

    Les informations disponibles ne permettent pas de savoir avec exactitude quels étaient les avions israéliens (F-15, F-16, voire F-35) si les missiles ont été tirés par le Hezbollah ou par l’Armée arabe syrienne, ni quels étaient ces missiles, ni qui les a fabriqués.

    À l’évidence, il s’agissait d’un matériel nouveau, beaucoup plus performant que les anciens et susceptible de remettre en cause l’équilibre des forces.
    http://www.voltairenet.org/article193238.html


    The headline is, "Israel Violates the Cease-Fire in Syria and Loses Two Planes."

    Basically what it says is that Israel attempted to conduct an air-strike on a Syrian military base in the early morning hours of Sept. 13th, but Syria fired some of its state-of-the-art anti-aircraft batteries (supplied by Russia) to take the jets out. One crashed in territory occupied by terrorists (so the Israelis on board may have been fine ) and the other managed to land in Israel. At first Israel denied all of this but later admitted to it. Not much else is known about the incident.

    Israel's jet fighters are sold to them by the US, the same as what the US itself is using. So the Syrian army under Assad, again, thanks to Russia, can easily take out American jets from the ground. The article says it's not clear if they were F-15s, F-16s or F-35s, but in any case it's a bad sign for both the US and Israel.

    Israel has lost at least one jet fighter previously, claiming that they were attacking "terrorists" but then trying to attack Assad's legitimate government forces. Assad was actually democratically elected and is not a brutal dictator as the western media always claims. Christians, Jews and Muslims were all living peacefully in Syria under Assad until this nonsense began a few years ago.

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    (so the Israelis on board may have been fine )
    LOL, I'm sure they were.

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    No accident indeed, despaRATe indeed though, good sign indeed, blessings to all involved.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    No accident indeed, despaRATe indeed though, good sign indeed, blessings to all involved.
    Blessings are indeed good. Not sure about this being a good sign. This desperate action is a gauntlet thrown down.........for war. The reasons for the USA to push for war are numerous. Some are personal, then there is financial and of course "arrangements" with unsavory energies. I see a lot of good signs with regard to awakening but, this push for war is not one of those good signs.
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    I expect worse to come Modwiz, am blessing perfection in this and anchoring best able while creating the blessed perfect future of now.

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