At least two in orlando

[Aianawa]

This is just getting out atm > http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/20...ag-conspiracy/

[bsbray]

At this point I don't even listen to MSM when this kind of stuff happens because I know I'll be lied to. Same old song and dance, and it won't end until we rid ourselves of the faction in power.

[Aianawa]

This is just getting out atm > http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/20...ag-conspiracy/

On googling, the most prominent catch phrase appears to be, another obvious false flag.

[enjoy being]

So far the local social forum with Joe and Jan off the street is loving having a chance to claw each other's eyes out over whether it is a case of terrorism or homophobia. We have the closet bigots who have crawled out from under the woodwork and are dropping some doozy poops, like calling gay people pedophiles etc. And then we have the other extreme of the ones who love to slap everyone down for having an opinion on it that isn't the same as theirs because they think they are an exquisite intelligence that is completely on the ball. They love these chances and will jump from thread to thread calling everyone idiots and lording it over everyone, it is sad, interesting, sad, amusing, that say one of them in particular is such a contradiction in that he proves to be very blind and unintelligent because he is unaware of himself, yet thinks he is the epitome of intelligence.

And still more made of this than the Red headed fellow who shot dead the ex Voice Contestant, outside a nightclub only 4 miles away, a few days ago. Which is understandable in just the body count alone. But it seems there's way more fun and emotion to be had with the sexuality issue chucked in there. Good on "dad" for passing the son's motives on. The clearest and first bit of information they put out after the initial What and where. They got to him quick to get an interview.

[Aianawa]

Good thing is how peoples feeds are getting the hoax alerts etc more but yes those with mind not inspected will embrace the created mind world tptW wish.

[enjoy being]

Even in a case where this is a totally an unmanipulated scenario, the challenge for many in my opinion, is to watch people's processing and be woken to the dynamics of the mob mentality and learn to not react or be sucked into it.

The point also now made in said forum, that per headline of worst ever shooting, Sitting Bull, Pine Ridge.
Which is rebutted by 'aware' guy, who happens to be gay, That's not terrorism, that was political activism, like the Rainbow Warrior attack. So either he is being funny, and irresponsible with lit matches in a tinder dry setting, or his prior wisdom and foresight on matters has been lost because it is a matter close to his heart?

It's amazing how quick they seem to forget what the actual topic is as they use it for a vehicle to further their own nagging troubles.

[Aianawa]

Once again, more than one shooter, from an eyewitness > http://m.palmbeachpost.com/news/news...ef=cbTopWidget

[Aianawa]

Yes, at least two > http://82.221.129.208/ifyouareinamer...eethisad5.html < even though they are trying to change the tune, also blissings and blessings to those involved.

[enjoy being]

That guy should be asked if could recognize the person holding the door shut, and any others witnessing that, so the security personnel can be excluded, from investigation. I doubt that if it was a security guard that he would come forward and own up to doing that even if they did.
But in the meantime if there is any truth to the claims by maybe 2 witnesses, then it could noose the prewritten story a bit.

[Aianawa]

From above site >

Here is another great take on this:



Former CIA false flag director David Steele comments on Orlando shooting
This is a doozie!

"The entire world just spent the past week celebrating the life of Muhammad Ali - and Ali's religion, Islam. It was the best PR week Islam ever had.

What's more, we didn't spend the past week celebrating "house Muslim" Uncle Tom style Islam. We just spent an amazing week cheering for Muhammad Ali, a Muslim fighter, a truth jihadi, a man willing to sacrifice everything for truth and justice...a man who famously cheered on armed Palestinian resistance with the immortal words:

"In my name and the name of all Muslims in America, I declare support for the Palestinian struggle to liberate their homeland and oust the Zionist invaders."

For the people behind the Islamophobia-based "clash of civilizations" - and the long list of false flags that created it - the past week of Muhammad Ali adulation was the ultimate PR nightmare. Meanwhile, during the exact same week, the Zionists have been panicking, fearing that Obama is going to take his revenge on Netanyahu by helping the Security Council pass a resolution essentially recognizing and officially establishing the State of Palestine within its pre-1967 borders.

The usual suspects may have responded with a massive publicity stunt in Orlando designed to make us forget Muhammad Ali ... and make it much harder, if not impossible, for Obama to force the Israelis to withdraw from the territory they stole in 1967. In other words, this keeps the Clash of Civilizations going, and Israel expanding.

And who benefits from that? No Muslims that I can see.

Will the alleged perpetrator be interrogated to find out what he did or did not do, what his motives may have been, and who his associates were? Apparently not. Once again, we see the "perp shot dead, will never be interrogated or tried" syndrome. If international terrorism sponsored by groups like ISIS were really what it is made out to be, obviously live captures of all suspected terrorists would be the top priority, so interrogations could take place and terror networks taken down.

Another major indicator of "false flag" is the scale of the carnage. More than 50 dead? Only one shooter? And the guy was not even a special forces professional, but a flaky security guard?! (Who just happened to be on all the National Security radar screens, like so many others now-proven patsies.) Sorry, MSM, that doesn't pass the smell test.

It's funny how almost all "Muslim terrorists" are either ridiculously ultra-competent supermen able to take down skyscrapers and blow up the Pentagon using a couple of package-openers as their only weapons; kill ludicrously large numbers of people in mass shootings without any military training; or otherwise perform amazing feats of mass carnage ... or else they are the world's LEAST competent destruction-wreakers, dufuses who can't get a match lit to try to blow up their own shoe, or who pack their underwear with sterno camping fuel and no detonator and somehow expect their crotch to explode.

Aside from the handful of supermen, practically every wannabe Muslim terrorist in the USA since 9/11 has been a total dufus. As Trevor Aaronson writes in The Terror Factory, almost all of the "Islamic terror plots" in the US since 9/11 have actually been FBI terror plots sold to some hapless patsy - a homeless street person, a retarded teenager - by a professional con artist.

Real terrorism usually falls in the middle of the bell curve: A handful of people (if any) get killed, and/or something of fairly modest size gets blown up. This is the pattern with the 94% of terrorist attacks that, according to the FBI, are not committed by Muslims, but rather by radical Jews, hispanics, leftists, animal rights activists, and so on.

But Muslims...whoah! They're either supermen, defying the laws of physics to make skyscrapers disappear at free-fall acceleration through the path of most resistance or shooting huge crowds of people with a single Glock pistol...or they're retarded kids, homeless people, schlemiels who couldn't succeed in stepping on an ant if the FBI bought them size 20 shoes and released an ant colony next to their feet.

Statistically, the odds that Muslims would almost always either be way-too-lethal or else way-too-incompetent, while all other categories of terrorists would fall in the middle of the bell curve, must be about 20 trillion to one. Go ahead, pull up the statistics and do the math. The inescapable conclusion is that most plots and attacks attributed to Muslims are PR stunts concocted by the FBI and the Deep State, respectively.

We were told, almost immediately after the Orlando shooting, that "the shooter had pledged allegiance to ISIS." Robert David Steele remarks: "The tape pledging allegiance to ISIS is patsy perfect." And since ISIS is a Western public relations operation, a 4th generation warfare psy-op, the ISIS pledge in itself pretty much proves that the shooting was an inside job. (For details, see the section "Who is ISIS" in Another French False Flag.)

Mateen's parents were born in Afghanistan, and he was 'on the radar' of U.S. officials for some time, but was not the target of a specific investigation, law enforcement officials told ABC News.”

If the deep state had been running him, setting him up for an event like Orlando, he would indeed have been "on the radar" - but his handlers would have made sure he wasn't targeted by any specific investigation. This is what happened prior to 9/11 when Lt. Col. Anthony Schaeffer of Able Danger was ordered by his superiors to put yellow sticky pads over the faces of Mohammed Atta and other future "9/11 hijackers" and forget he had ever heard of them.

So if the carnage in Orlando is real (and I haven't yet seen any indications that it isn't) how might it have been produced? The two obvious possibilities include:

(1) Professional killers i.e. multiple shooters may have done the damage and/or assisted the patsy, as appears to have been the case in many other false flags including the Fort Hood shooting, the Batman theater shooting, the Sikh Temple shooting, and the more recent Paris and San Bernardino shootings. Robert David Steele remarks: "Multiple shooters are detected by proper forensics on all bullet paths and all spent rounds. I doubt responsible forensics will be done (if 50 real bodies) am pretty sure that if it were, it would identify multiple weapons not found on the scene from the spent round signatures. This is all way too pat."

(2) The patsy may have been given the equivalent of special forces training, perhaps with the aid of MK-Ultra style hypnotherapy, obviating the need for professional assistance.

Of course, it's always possible that yet another Muslim-named super-terrorist just appeared out of nowhere and decided, for unfathomable reasons, to stage a murderous PR stunt that would erase "Muhammad Ali Week" from the public mind and help Netanyahu resist the international push to force Israel to withdraw from the Occupied Territories.

But though it's still to early to know for sure, the above-cited circumstantial evidence suggests that we should place the Orlando nightclub shooting in the "strongly suspected false flag" category.

Courtesy of Robert David Steele

[enjoy being]

So the Dad has this elaborate story about seeing his son get all angry at seeing two men kissing in America, with added tales I have seen regards closeted homosexuality being common in Afghanistan?

Regardless, does this fit? Dads claim, doubled up with ISIS claiming responsibility. One of them either is lying or sensationalizing?

[lcam88]

I think a shooting like this, even if we ignore the false flag aspect, should encourage more liberal gun laws. More people carrying degrades the chances that one (or two) gunman could continue firing.

This is the same story as the Colorado Movie theater, the LA county shooting...

[enjoy being]

Hi lcam, it's a really topsy turvy statement to me. Or to people from my country or other countries where we are actually quite peaceful and have rather robust gun laws.
I can also understand what you are saying, and appreciate that sentiment, and maybe the country is way too far down the road of being addicted to guns for now to go any other direction. But in my view, my experience of living without guns for 42 years (While still having learned about them and the advantages for hunting and the methods of safety)...
I understand it is a bit of a conundrum. It must be understood though that to many like me, American and their guns are like addicts, we have a scenario of where the foundation of that country is born out of paranoia and suspicion. Which in many accounts is justified. Who knows, maybe the guns really have "stopped you all being enslaved" but I would suggest that there is a certain amount of distortion or hysteria from a nation who has not lived without them and so are conditioned to them intertwined with their experience.
Me, it is so foreign. I would forget, I would be freaked out and surprised constantly at the concept of someone having a gun on them. It is just like some sort of 'other dimension'.
I just want to re-iterate it, I am sure it has been said before, how weird it is to many people of other countries. About the only thing I see different, which is massive, is that my country has zero land predators. You guys might need to shoot a snake or a coyote. With respect, anything else is conditioning and part-there-of, brainwashing.

[lcam88]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I have pondered this issue over and over again. Indeed I have.

I now live in brazil where they have already spent decaces and lots of public resources in disarming the public. And yet there are still quite a few crimes committed with guns; corruption issues with the police force + the fact that law breakers aren't really troubled by breaking laws when it suites them (including raising false flags).

Such efforts of disarming the public have worked quite well in some places - Australia, and certainly Japan has been rather successful in prevention.

Logically thinking: as long as criminality is prevalent, society has bigger problems to solve than disarming law abiding citizens. The problem is actually the law breaking component of society, not the law abiding.

My position above is about strengthening or empowering the component of society that is abiding. Consider:

Here in brazil gun wielding criminals are quite cowardly indeed they would be much less willing to take up criminal activities if they didn't have the security the legal position on guns provides them. They feel secure knowing breaking the law is actually empowering as they don't really need to worry until the sirens can be heard.

I cannot say that more guns will mean fewer deaths by gunshot, but at least one can hope that the perpetrators will be amongst the bodies. The real injustice happens when victims are shot dead and the perps get away.

Of course, the best case scenario within such a society is that you end up carrying a heavy piece of metal around every day and never have to use it. That was my life when I lived in the US; I liked the system setup that educates people about guns (safety and use) for who opt to carry. Essentially licensing them to carry a firearm with the concealed carry permit. Later, when the real problems are solved, it becomes very easy to disarm too as the paper trail obviously exists.

[enjoy being]

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ality#comments

A play off between Sky and Guardian news fighting it out over homophobia vs terrorism.

The archetype repeats. So, have they issued the names of those killed, and their sexuality yet? And if so, was that prior to the time of this media event?

I have always heard that people of all sexualities tend to go to gay bars because of the music, the atmosphere, and the dancing. I must have missed it, I was fully expecting to hear that say 50% were heterosexuals or something.
The data must have been released eh. Though, it seems pretty okay and easy for people to just presume eh.