It's a no brainer - Don't have children

[scibuster]

I'd agree with the you do not fit sentiment. Is "scri" German for "ball"? It fits with ''buster".

sci is my abbreviation for science.
and another abbreviation for SCI-FI including Stanislaw Lem.
Buster is the buster:
Geisterjäger, Abbauhammer, Kerl, Freundchen, Meister, Zureiter wilder Pferde,

[Elen]

My husband thinks i am off my rocker re minimising fluoride exposure in fact he has been arguing that we "need" it in our tap water for their teeth as i attempt to purchase a reverse osmosis water filter. This is one small example that we face as parents, there are many, and it is very stressful when your partner and family are asleep to the risks of "normal" choices and refuse to educate themselves as "you" are the one with the problem who is rocking the boat.

lb
Give them a message from me, i.e. a total stranger: "they are so lucky to have you around who is aware of the other side of things".

[Joanna]

lookbeyond, I sympathise. I went through the big 'family pressure' on parenting 'differently', and the most heated topic was vaccination. I chose not to have my son vaccinated - this was back in the 1990s, but I was already aware of vaccine risks, after the little daughter of some friends was left with encephalitis (severe permanent brain damage) after being given the MMR vaccine. The emotional pressure from family to vaccinate was full on, but I went with my intuition - and ironically, the only illness that was potentially life-threatening for my son was a virus he contracted at one year old, for which there was and still is no vaccine!!
There was also 'state pressure'; my maternity payment was frozen and I was told it would be restored when my son's vaccine schedule was up to date. At that time (unlike now, when the Australian govt has now tied maternity and parenting payments legally to compliance with vaccine schedules) there was no legal requirement to vaccinate in Australia, which I knew, but all my requests for the payment were ignored, until I actually threatened to go to the press....et voila, the money was in my account the next day!
By the time my son went to secondary school, a culture of fear had been instigated, to the extent that he himself decided to have the vaccines - so that if there happened to be an outbreak of measles or etc at the school he was starting at, he wouldn't be blamed for it. This is the pressure used to get kids vaccinated; that unvaccinated children are responsible for spreading diseases through the schools....and are a risk to all the 'good' vaccinated kids. So apparently, vaccines aren't very good protection anyway, if the vaccinated are put at risk by the unvaccinated! Such flawed logic can only be compensated for by intense propaganda.
My son had several vaccines, as scheduled, and was okay, but when he had the pertussin vaccine, he became extremely sick. In fact, 12 hours after it, he fell unconscious at school and was ill for several days....after which he decided he wasn't having any more. The clinic sent him many reminder notices, but he refused to go..and obviously, I did not press him to do so.
Despite me having done all the 'wrong' things (raising him a vegetarian, letting him sleep in the parental bed, letting him self-wean when he was ready, at 3 years old) - he's a healthy, happy young man now, following his dream....and my family has calmed down.
I can also say that the whole process of parenting 'not in line with the mainstream' among a mainstream family made me find reserves of courage and fortitude I didn't know I had...so it's all to the good. My son does not 'agree' with me on many things; he has his own beliefs and has made different lifestyle choices, eats meat etc. And as I raised him to be able to choose, that is completely up to him.

To Sam, about not bringing kids into the world as it currently is - and where it appears to be heading - I do hear you. But that is also a position of fear, the sort of fear that can paralyze growth and actions, including those that come from a Love that sees beyond the fear scenarios, instead of focusing into them. This is still an incredibly beautiful planet, and it is to its advantage, now and in the future, to have aware, responsible, wise human beings travelling aboard.

About population, Earth is capable of supporting a very large human population easily - IF humanity transforms the way it generates energy and fuel, and eats and uses resources and land very differently. And that requires a major collective consciousness Shift. It is happening. It it being blocked ferociously by the power elite through their puppet governments, but at the grass roots level, I see people right now much more aware of the planet, what's happening to the land and waters, the inbuilt injustice of the global financial system and the puppetry of politics. I am seeing mainstream folk far more aware of these things than a few years ago - not all of them, but enough. Enough, for instance, that the EU just blocked the sale of glyphosate....I imagine much to the shock of Monsanto et al.
Enough that the Great Barrier Reef (which has just had a 34% die-off of the northern and central reef areas) has become a federal election issue, for the first time ever.
Enough that a number of countries are discussing the introduction of a Universal Basic Income, and so forth. There are so many great things happening, coming from love, compassion and a new awareness of responsibility, at the ground level. They just don't make the news as much as the horror stuff and the political, media and celebrity circus 'weapons of mass distraction'. It's like there are two worlds at the moment.
So I'm not ready to give up on humanity and Earth yet.

[modwiz]

We live on a wonderful and loving planet. It is "the world" that sucks. Unfortunately, humanity has had a hand in it. It is in our hands to reshape the world but, we must shift our collective psychology and related emotional issues to be effective. There is hope and a sliver of time left.

[Joanna]

We live on a wonderful and loving planet. It is "the world" that sucks. Unfortunately, humanity has had a hand in it. It is in our hands to reshape the world but, we must shift our collective psychology and related emotional issues to be effective. There is hope and a sliver of time left.

'There is hope and a sliver of time left'. Yes modwiz - and from my point of view, that 'sliver' is being kept open as an act of grace, for humanity to shift its collective psyche/psychology and clear/resolve its emotional issues, for we are not alone in this endeavour.
I know I won't be giving up on this world until my last breath - or the entire planet shifts. We'll see which comes first...

:unity:

[jcocks]

Some of us spend our entire dreamtime fighting for this damned planet , waking up feeling as though they have hardly slept a wink......

I will ***NEVER*** give up on this planet. You wil find that sliver of time you talk about will last an eternity if it has to. Time is irrelevant.

[scibuster]

Some make a jubilee when they saw some fade away traces of life on mars.
They also do ponder about a lost civilisation(s) on mars.
But Enrico Ferni ponder about the Fermi-Paradox and this silent universe.
Three cheers to SETI.

[modwiz]

Some of us spend our entire dreamtime fighting for this damned planet , waking up feeling as though they have hardly slept a wink......

I will ***NEVER*** give up on this planet. You wil find that sliver of time you talk about will last an eternity if it has to. Time is irrelevant.

I was speaking of the world, not the planet. It is not just a nuance. Thank you for your efforts.

[scibuster]

Can we turn back to the American-Indian-Life-Style ?
then our sustaining on earth will expand to a sun-cycle-
duration which is in the range of 5 to 10 Billion years.

Do not invent the wheel.

otherwise join the net, join TOT, join the ladder, climb up, wave the flag.

A-Full-Flag-Waver:
Das Narrenschiff: Hieronymus Bosch:



http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x13...lood_lifestyle

[Maggie]

There are so many great things happening, coming from love, compassion and a new awareness of responsibility, at the ground level. They just don't make the news as much as the horror stuff and the political, media and celebrity circus 'weapons of mass distraction'. It's like there are two worlds at the moment.
So I'm not ready to give up on humanity and Earth yet.

I felt inspired by the story of your son.
There is so much more pressure now to vaccinate. I am an unapologetic follower of those who state that our mental beliefs matter BECAUSE beyond all other factors, nocebo and placebo responses mediate epigenetics and bodily reactions. This is the place I am focused in my own self care. I still have ambivalence.

I have a vivid memory of being forced to receive a vaccine at maybe 4 years old? I screamed and fought and was hysterical. Then I grew up and became a nurse because I wanted to be like Florence Nightingale: "helping to place people in the best position for nature's imperative for healing to work".

I never felt comfortable giving injections and poking needles into people. I was not a gung ho nurse at all. I hated all the procedures. My best experience was in the "old days" of psychiatry before it became all about pills.

At one time, I did respect nursing as my profession. Now I feel a real disdain. The focus on procedure and the demands that cannot be fulfilled with deep humane response are dehumanizing. Having no independent authority and being faced daily with the suffering that is increased by the system make it a terrible place to be positioned. I stuck with my belief that I was doing good but then I doubted I WAS doing good. The changes in me as far as tolerance for the system were slow. There came a time when I felt afraid of being vaccinated. I did finally leave just when mandatory flu vaccines for healthcare workers started at my hospital.

Nurses are complicit....nurses give the shots....Also, there is very little challenge to the status quo in every way from the nursing profession. Nurses agree to be forced to be vaccinated and agree to the "shaming" of other "noncompliant" nurses. The US economy is one where illness is creating good paying jobs. In the US, foreign nurses are being imported (maybe because they will be less likely to speak up? They will be invested in cooperation for a toe hold in to a "good life"?).

Also, IMO people in the general population are complicit from the belief we must have vaccines. Over and over again I hear from people around me that they do believe vaccines are a necessary evil, even if some are injured....until one's own child is injured. That means IMO that people seem to believe strongly that our bodies are weak and fragile. There is the expectation that there are external threats to fight. At the same time, people are not feeling healthy and don't make the connection between the way we eat, the way we live, the WAY WE THINK and accepting all kinds of drugs, procedures and vaccines.

I have not resolved my ambivalence about my own body health. I believe I need to avoid many things, yet, I m not convinced that my fears are valid.I suspect I am in the same boat as those who fear "viruses and bacterias"? IMO the freedom will come when I know that I am not affected by externals at all. I sometimes think that this whole scenario "we" created is to step up to knowing our power. This is something I have seen work for some people. I think it may be the way to withstand all the assaults that seem all around us?

[Dreamtimer]

I had a child and have no regrets. I did get him vaccinated, though I had my reservations. My state allows for religious objection and there are more and more children who have not been vaccinated. There is also an uptick in measles, etc.

Frankly, I'm more worried about the resistant bacteria strains. I simple trip to the hospital can turn bad. People have been very irresponsible with antibiotics.

One vaccine I felt was important was HPV. As a male, he could become a carrier and infect a female, endangering her life. Cervical cancer is nothing to mess around with.

I also had to teach him to drive and allow him to do so, another quite frightening thing. Sending him off to college was too. There are all kinds of ways to die or be injured.

We make our choices and accept responsibility.

I sure do hope we learn to live on the planet in a way that promotes life and uses resources responsibly.

[Joanna]

Maggie, many of us seem to be in a kind of 'inbetween stage' (unlike Peter Erbe, who you mentioned on another thread, as accidentally drink poison, and able to transmute it harmlessly with no physical harm taken). I presume not too many folk on the planet have that ability active (yet).
I've experienced 'miraculous healing/self-healing of what was diagnosed by specialists as an 'incurable, degenerative condition' with no better outlook than medical management of symptoms for as long as possible (in this case, until I went blind). But scar tissue has healed/disappeared, so far about 70%, which has the surgeon mystified.
But I'm still not about to swig battery acid to see how much and how quickly I can transmute, lol....and also suspect that if you're genuinely at that stage, you'd already know it!

I sure do hope we learn to live on the planet in a way that promotes life and uses resources responsibly.

Holding the vision with you.

[Maggie]

Maggie, many of us seem to be in a kind of 'inbetween stage' (unlike Peter Erbe, who you mentioned on another thread, as accidentally drink poison, and able to transmute it harmlessly with no physical harm taken). I presume not too many folk on the planet have that ability active (yet).
I've experienced 'miraculous healing/self-healing of what was diagnosed by specialists as an 'incurable, degenerative condition' with no better outlook than medical management of symptoms for as long as possible (in this case, until I went blind). But scar tissue has healed/disappeared, so far about 70%, which has the surgeon mystified.
But I'm still not about to swig battery acid to see how much and how quickly I can transmute, lol....and also suspect that if you're genuinely at that stage, you'd already know it!



Holding the vision with you.

Yes, I will uphold that vision too.

I do think we are in a between place. I have been calling it the "Borderland".

By the way, there seems an increased intensity of "positioning" concerning what we hold sacred. It is not just about vaccines, but earth changes...everything seems to be kicking up.

But to respond to what Joanna said, I had duodenal ulcers from the time I was about 9 years old. Over the years, I would have episodes of bleeding. I had to have transfusions of blood. It was seemingly beyond "healing"...Then in 1993, I had uncontrolled bleeding and emergency surgery. The surgeon told me I'd have digestive issues. He couched in a positive way that I would not need worry about getting fat (because I was always tending to be plump hehe).

Well, his prediction did not come true. I never had ulcerissues again but also I can eat anything and yes, I am plump as ever. IMO I have a healed digestion. It came about without effort.

Now I have been feeling every day that energy moves through me and hits various "blocks" and in the last few years, I have been having a new position of reference that is not just physical. That we have levels of energy body is a visceral experience now.

I do INTEND that if anyone can master the physical expression of 100% safety, the awareness of Self and power that is not limited to the 3D blinding, we all may!!!

I am loving this positive viewpoint. I think we should be confident and self aware and decline/accept based on a ever changing, present tense KNOWING of what we believe. Honestly, I think we are all capable of developing freedom of immunity from all introduced threats. That possibility of mastery is to me the excitement of living in the borderland. I have faith in this as fact....but its noty all or nothing and I know what fear I have still not released.

As you can tell, I am an unrepentant woowoo child (as contrasted with voodoo child).
Just because people have taken the truth and trivialized and twisted what I think is a law...that consciousness trumps all else, that does not change truth. The fruit will out. Love, Maggie

[Maggie]

Excuse me if this is not the place to put this story but it just came to me in a new way.

I do not know where I stand exactly on the subject of physical implants, but I may have had one in my body?

A few years ago when I started watching all kinds of things on youtube, I came across a video by Chris Everard. it is called Alien Kabalah. I just looked it up and it's still on youtube. It's under that name and also Spirit world Kabalah.

I watched it and it was fairly awful to me. It seemed to strike a chord. A memory sticks out: discussion of chi, the blood and using the spiritual signature in the life force of blood in black magic. This information was psychologically distressing. This was the beginning of when I was wondering about my family lineage and especially my mother and the source of her psychological issues of paranoia and narcissm. There are many strange similarities between my family members and what one might consider low level Illuminati "opportunities"?

I finished the viewing and SUDDENLY I had excruciating abdominal pain then vomiting. This was around midnight. The pain was so bad and the recurrent nausea and vomiting was so severe that I just stayed on the floor in the bathroom all night. I have never ever experienced anything so debilitating.

About dawn I threw up a sort of cylinder about the size and shape of those smelling salts that one breaks open to breathe when faint. I know that because before I spit it out, I felt it in my mouth. the pain and nausea were SUDDENLY gone.

I didn't think of it then as an implant. In fact, I only just now think it seems reasonable as an explanation. I have no idea if this is true but the whole episode was very very very weird. If it was an implant, perhaps because I no longer had the duodenum and that part of my anatomy, I was able to regurgitate it?

[Joanna]

Yes, I will uphold that vision too.

I do think we are in a between place. I have been calling it the "Borderland".

By the way, there seems an increased intensity of "positioning" concerning what we hold sacred. It is not just about vaccines, but earth changes...everything seems to be kicking up.

But to respond to what Joanna said, I had duodenal ulcers from the time I was about 9 years old. Over the years, I would have episodes of bleeding. I had to have transfusions of blood. It was seemingly beyond "healing"...Then in 1993, I had uncontrolled bleeding and emergency surgery. The surgeon told me I'd have digestive issues. He couched in a positive way that I would not need worry about getting fat (because I was always tending to be plump hehe).

Well, his prediction did not come true. I never had ulcerissues again but also I can eat anything and yes, I am plump as ever. IMO I have a healed digestion. It came about without effort.

Now I have been feeling every day that energy moves through me and hits various "blocks" and in the last few years, I have been having a new position of reference that is not just physical. That we have levels of energy body is a visceral experience now.

I do INTEND that if anyone can master the physical expression of 100% safety, the awareness of Self and power that is not limited to the 3D blinding, we all may!!!

I am loving this positive viewpoint. I think we should be confident and self aware and decline/accept based on a ever changing, present tense KNOWING of what we believe. Honestly, I think we are all capable of developing freedom of immunity from all introduced threats. That possibility of mastery is to me the excitement of living in the borderland. I have faith in this as fact....but its noty all or nothing and I know what fear I have still not released.

As you can tell, I am an unrepentant woowoo child (as contrasted with voodoo child).
Just because people have taken the truth and trivialized and twisted what I think is a law...that consciousness trumps all else, that does not change truth. The fruit will out. Love, Maggie

Love it, Maggie!

And totally agree. Everything in this life experience tells me state of consciousness affects/effects energy and changes of energy.
On the 'viral' level, I had Epstein-Barr Virus (glandular fever) for 18 years. After the first very severe bout, whenever I got run down, overtired, or immunity-impaired, I would succumb to another bout - as EBV remains latent in the body once contracted, 'forever', I was told. I had a recurrence at least once a year, sometimes twice, for the next 18 years.
Then two things happened: I decided to totally, unconditionally love myself and everything, and drop all negative self-talk and judgements. Simultaneously, the 'light bulb ' of how states of consciousness interweave ceaselessly with all energies in our lives.
Then while feeling a bout of EBV coming on, I started 'talking to the virus' and sensing/seeing it inside my body...and I saw that the energy it was 'nesting in', that is frequency specific to that particular virus (and another one called Cyto-Megalo Virus, which I also had, and which seems to be a common travelling companion with EBV) was a combination of grief+guilt...which I'd been carrying/holding onto since the death of a partner when I was 25....just before the first time I contracted EBV.
Then having felt which energy was supporting/holding the viruses in my body, I completely let them go, the grief and the guilt...and forgave and loved myself instead.
I literally felt the virus leave my body. It had nowhere to call 'home' in my vibrational field any more (and viruses, from my perspective, sit in the 3-4D interface, slippery astral-physical little critters). I loved them, and let them go. I KNEW i would never have another bout of EBV, that it was gone from me. That was 8 years ago, and I've never had it again since then.

So I'll woowoo with you, all the way. We are immensely creative beings, in every moment, and everyone on the planet is capable of self-mastery, if they so choose, and are prepared to put in the focus, and not let it keep getting pulled off into distractions that make them feel bad, judgemental, or helpless....