"Very Threatening Calls" from Government Officials Forcing "Vaxxed" Pulled

[Cearna]

I cannot add to the theory behind the arguments taking place, however, as usual, I had practical experience here. I began getting large allergic symptoms when I was 21, with allergies to 4 grasses, severely debilitating me with symptoms like asthma, but not that, severe hyperventilation. Over the years that allergy increased to 27 grass pollens all of which were in the area that I was then teaching in. The treatment being with each attack rush to the hospital or doctors for a phenergen injections - it often kept me away from work for a week at a time. I went for a holiday to Norway for three weeks and all symptoms left me, because although the pollen count was at its height the pollens were not those I was allergic to. I returned to Australia to immediately become just as ill. We concluded I was allergic to Australia. However in the meantime, I had begun an immunisation programme with serums made by the Commonwealth Serum laboratory 4 different lots of them given by injection gradually increasing the dose and that worked a bit for awhile.

Then I got increasingly worse and went to be re-tested, now I had a long list of foods that were now on the list. Someone, taught me how to use the pendulum, and I began to walk around all food suppliers with it testing everything before I bought any foods, still do. The specialist decided to put me back onto the serum to immunise we, so more different bottles with , different ingredients in each. After a time, I began reacting badly to these, so they had injections of phenergen and adrenalin on hand as I went into a reaction, these eventually became life threatening and we had to cease the treament. I was getting more and more ill, and eventually I found my wonderful homeopath, who was trained in England and was a doctor of Homeopathy, with one of his specialties being allergies, so I began treatment with the homeopathic remedies for allergies and symptoms left me, with us treating new ones as they came up. I moved to an area when there was a lot of coal used so we made up one for coal smake and special ones for each of the fur of my dogs and cats and so on as the list went on.

Where I live now is a particularly bad spot for me, lots of chem trails, but also lots of Australian bushland nearby and it has affected me for years with little let up, and my Homeopath died in 2010 so I can no longer go to him - he used to test my hair with the pendulum to ascertain my sensitivities. so they Homeopathics work and serum immunisation did most definitely not work for my type of sensitivities. I don't know if this adds to your information or not but might be of some use.


Aragorn, thank you for your response, it meant a lot to me.

[Aragorn]

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What I found to be interesting is that the article provides at least three insightful ideas I think is worthy of examination.

1. immune system hypersensitivity caused by serums and vaccines
2. adjuvants and the effect of prolonging reactivity (and sensitivity) thought to be a good thing as per the Adjuvant Myth
3. intact proteins being present with the adjuvants that are the universal trigger for possibly violent "allergic" reactions (serum sickness) including anaphylaxis

What I was asking you to comment on, Mr Aragorn, is whether those three points are of any particular interest to the autistic individual specifically as you define the term.

Do you think the neurological condition of autism can lend the individual to heightened immune sensitivity in general when compared to the lame duck ordinary?

Do you think the prolonging effect of adjuvants would be about the same for everyone?

What I believe is that the vaccines contain hazardous substances — which are hazardous to everyone, but specifically to people with an autism spectrum neurology — but that the industry and, through said industry's lobbyists, the political establishment have opted to sacrifice the wellbeing of people for the purported benefits of vaccination on account of contagious diseases like measles, mumps, rubella, et al.

Furthermore, you also have to look at the real reason behind vaccinations. The health of the population itself is not even at the order here, but the financial-economical implications of an unhealthy population on the industrialized society and the economy in general, and on the health insurance sector in particular. And that is why the vaccination program exists in the first place. They need healthy sheep at the slaughterhouse, and the health insurance sector wants to keep on reeling in insurance fees without having to actually pay up when people apply to said insurance.

The insurance companies are just as much part of the financial sector as the banks themselves, and are often the same thing. Over here at least, all of the big banks offer insurance policies, and all (major) insurance companies also offer (high profile) investment management as part of the companies' services portfolios.

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You know, I replied before reading the whole thread, of which I just did and maybe Autism is the wrong issue of which to debate the point of immunizations causing sever damage.
I understand that Autism is a hot button for you Aragorn, but I just have not been in the presence of any autistic folks who would consider it a gift or blessing.

Ah, but then you have not looked well-enough, my friend. Every autistic person I know — and I probably know a great deal more of those than I do non-autistic people — is happy with their autism, because they've all got some special talents, not in the very least their enormous attention to detail or their ability to quickly learn foreign languages.

Of course, that doesn't mean that all autistic people would lead a happy life, but that's another thing altogether. I know at least two people who refuse to accept that they're on the spectrum just because they've constantly been hearing how autistic people are defective and how it is a disease. So they don't want to be associated with the word autism because they feel stigmatized. And I also know autism spectrum people who suffer from bipolar disorder and/or another form of depression. But this is not because of their autism. It's because they cannot make peace with the world we live in, and/or because they have been psychologically abused and have been taken advantage of over and over and over again. I myself can perfectly relate to that.

I have only ever met one person who claimed to be on the autism spectrum and who was not happy with that, but this person also believed that he had become autistic because of the MMR vaccine, and he was a pretty nasty and vicious character. I surmise that he may not actually have been autistic at all — he didn't exhibit any of the recognizable autistic traits — but that he was rather afflicted with the kind of brain damage induced by mercury poisoning. This kind of brain damage causes the subject to become highly irritable and intolerant.

You've probably already heard of the expression "mad as a hatter", or maybe you are familiar with the character of the Mad Hatter in Lewis Carrol's "Alice In Wonderland". There is a reason as to why that expression exists. Hatters — i.e. people who made hats — were constantly working with mercury, and would thus regularly (and accidentally) inhale mercury vapors, leading to brain damage, which in turn would make them into very nasty and antisocial people. So the character I'm describing above was probably just mercury-poisoned, instead of autistic.

The problem is that in the United States of Acronyms, autism is so poorly understood that it is equated with brain damage and lumped into the same category. So when a child contracts brain damage because of the mercury found in vaccines, then this brain damage is wrongfully described as "autism". But this is not (and has never been) what autism is. And I for one find it highly irresponsible for a medical professional to refer to brain damage as autism, or to autism as brain damage. Because that tells me that they're incompetent and should not be allowed to practise medicine at all. After all, what good is a doctor who can't tell two completely unrelated conditions apart?

I know a family where there are three generations of autisim. So indeed I agree that vaccinations are not the only source. Of the family I mentioned the worst has the mind of an 8 year old and he is now 25. So I'm not used to folks considering autism anything but a burdon.

My mother's elder sister was also autistic — although she was never diagnosed with autism — and had the mind of a 2- or 3-year-old all of her life. She couldn't read or write properly, and she couldn't even go to the bathroom without any help. This is not the autism itself — even though such people are commonly labelled "low-functioning autistic" — but retardation, and one doesn't have to be autistic in order to be retarded. In the case of my mother's elder sister, the cause of that retardation was the way she had come into this world.

She was born in 1929, and she had been delivered by way of the forceps, which had caused her to have brain damage. But she was autistic, just like my grandmother herself was, and like my mother was, and she was a savant. Her short-term memory was very bad, but her long-term memory was gigantic, and especially on account of the people from the village where she had been born and where she had grown up.

She had very strong and acute memories from all throughout her childhood — including having lived through World War II. She knew all of the villagers by their name, where they used to live, how many children they had, what those children's names were, et al. But she couldn't seem to accept that those children were now not children anymore, and that they no longer lived where she thought they did, or that people had died of old age.

In her mind, everything was still as it was when she was a little girl. And in her mind, she herself was still a little girl as well. A little girl who eventually got to be 75 years old, but she could never tell anyone how old she was, because she didn't even understand the concept of birthdays. She died in the aftermath of a stroke in February 2005.

So, again, autism is not retardation, but retardation and other forms of brain damage — such as vaccine-induced injury — can (and often do) coincide with autism.

[Aragorn]

I cannot add to the theory behind the arguments taking place, however, as usual, I had practical experience here. I began getting large allergic symptoms when I was 21, with allergies to 4 grasses, severely debilitating me with symptoms like asthma, but not that, severe hyperventilation. Over the years that allergy increased to 27 grass pollens all of which were in the area that I was then teaching in. The treatment being with each attack rush to the hospital or doctors for a phenergen injections - it often kept me away from work for a week at a time. I went for a holiday to Norway for three weeks and all symptoms left me, because although the pollen count was at its height the pollens were not those I was allergic to. I returned to Australia to immediately become just as ill. We concluded I was allergic to Australia. However in the meantime, I had begun an immunisation programme with serums made by the Commonwealth Serum laboratory 4 different lots of them given by injection gradually increasing the dose and that worked a bit for awhile.

Then I got increasingly worse and went to be re-tested, now I had a long list of foods that were now on the list. Someone, taught me how to use the pendulum, and I began to walk around all food suppliers with it testing everything before I bought any foods, still do. The specialist decided to put me back onto the serum to immunise we, so more different bottles with , different ingredients in each. After a time, I began reacting badly to these, so they had injections of phenergen and adrenalin on hand as I went into a reaction, these eventually became life threatening and we had to cease the treament. I was getting more and more ill, and eventually I found my wonderful homeopath, who was trained in England and was a doctor of Homeopathy, with one of his specialties being allergies, so I began treatment with the homeopathic remedies for allergies and symptoms left me, with us treating new ones as they came up. I moved to an area when there was a lot of coal used so we made up one for coal smake and special ones for each of the fur of my dogs and cats and so on as the list went on.

Where I live now is a particularly bad spot for me, lots of chem trails, but also lots of Australian bushland nearby and it has affected me for years with little let up, and my Homeopath died in 2010 so I can no longer go to him - he used to test my hair with the pendulum to ascertain my sensitivities. so they Homeopathics work and serum immunisation did most definitely not work for my type of sensitivities. I don't know if this adds to your information or not but might be of some use.

Well, I know for a fact that I have lots of allergies myself, Cearna, and that they come and go. Ever since my late teens, I've been allergic to pollen — so is my brother, for that matter — but I also have (and have had) several other allergies which have come and gone inexplicably. Some have lingered on for longer than others.

Eczema was one of those. I had that in my teenage years, and then it went away, but a few years ago, it came back all of a sudden (and in the same place), and it got so bad that I almost had to go to hospital for it, because it was constantly getting infected. Eventually, a very good dermatologist managed to cure me from that, but she did say that it would remain a risk to be watched out for, and indeed, there are times when it does appear to be popping up again.

I also used to be allergic to both cats and dogs, but it would manifest differently on account of both of these species of animals. With cats, I had allergic reactions to scratches, and if I touched my eyes after having touched a cat, my eyes would get all swollen, red, teary and itchy. I don't seem to have that anymore, or else it's just because I've subconsciously conditioned myself not to touch my eyes after I've petted a cat.

With dogs, it would vary depending on whether it's a long-haired dog or not. If it was a long-haired dog, then I would find myself waking up in the middle of the night with an asthmatic attack, being unable to breathe. But that appears to have gone away now, because my brother's dog is very hairy — it's a border collie — and I don't get any asthmatic attacks after having visited my brother. However, that dog always insists on greeting me quite abundantly (and ritually) whenever I show up at my brother's house, and he then does that by licking my wrists and my hands. As such, I have found that I must immediately wash my wrists and hands with soap or a dish washing detergent, or else I will get painful red blisters on my skin within two minutes — almost like second-degree burns — wherever the dog has licked me.

The female friend of whom I wrote higher up the thread that she had been a moderator with me on that generic autism group on Facebook and who had been bullied away from there, has a son who is also autistic, and he also has ADHD, but more importantly, he also has myasthenia gravis, which is a very dangerous autoimmune disorder. So yes, there definitely is a link between the neurological hypersensitivity and immunity disorders such as allergies.

Aragorn, thank you for your response, it meant a lot to me.

I'm very glad it did, Cearna, and you are very welcome.

[lcam88]

What I believe is that the vaccines contain hazardous substances — which are hazardous to everyone, but specifically to people with an autism spectrum neurology

Me too.

The underlying moral question being: Is inflicting certain harm now worth preventing the possibility of a greater future harm?

Furthermore, you also have to look at the real reason behind vaccinations. The health of the population itself is not even at the order here, but the financial-economical implications of an unhealthy population on the industrialized society and the economy in general, and on the health insurance sector in particular. And that is why the vaccination program exists in the first place. They need healthy sheep at the slaughterhouse, and the health insurance sector wants to keep on reeling in insurance fees without having to actually pay up when people apply to said insurance.

You are dark.

That is a close tangent to another health orthodoxy that indeed should be examined.

"Doctors and medicine work to save lives"

If that where the case, every single doctor, hospital and medical facility has to admit complete and utter failure.

Everyone eventually dies. No amount of will, blood or money a doctor or medical facility can commit to a patient will change that.

But it sounds better then, "We manage the populations' level of health during their working years." Which is the jist of what you are saying above.

[Chester]

There's evidence starting to mount that some (if not most. if not all) vaccinations increase the severity and length of endurance of serious illnesses for the general population near the ends of their lives. Insurance company profits in the US for example are built in as the premiums are now paid for by "taxes" (legalized extortion). It doesn't matter how much money is spent on someone's "healthcare." It is all (at the end of the day) paid for by all but the elite owners and controllers.

We are a resource and we are used in every way we can to benefit the privileged.

Lovely world, eh?

[lcam88]

If you have some of that evidence as a URL handy, please post.

As Aragorn mentioned, there are many other factors besides the vaccine itself, the mercury or neurotoxins present in other materials we use (toy paints), air pollution, food additives, perhaps EM noise, lifestyle choices that all contribute to deteriorated health during the retirement years.

To say that vaccines are responsible requires a qualification:

VACCINE HYPERSENSITIVITY

Von Pirquet recognized that vaccines had 2 primary effects: immunity and hypersensitivity. [5] He said they were inseparable: the one was the price of the other.

In other words, if we were going to benefit from the effects of mass immunization, we must accept the downside of mass hypersensitivity as a necessary co-feature. Modern medicine has decided that this double effect should be kept secret, so they don’t allow it to be brought up much.

Mind you, this was known in the 1800's. The page where I quoted this really goes into an explanation that is quite easy to understand. The qualification I'm bringing up is simply that hypersensitivity can be expected to cause greater discomfort when we do have reactions from exposure to pathogens or foreign materials like modern day neurotoxins or pollutants...

Sam, do read that page. I'm still flabbergasted. When I decide to immunize my child, I'll certainly be thinking about exactly what vaccines, and how best to prepare the body for the shock.

Some information crossed my desk some time ago suggestion that the mercury in timerosal, the vaccine preservative, strips neuron/nerve connection of an essential element, copper, which the body then tries to replace with what is available => possibly other heavy metals in circulation. Copper supplements should be in order, or at least lots of carrots, for a week before the vaccine is taken. Perhaps heavy metal detoxing would be a good idea too.

To undo the effect of the adjuvant added that is designed to prolong the effect of the vaccine, there might be something else that can be taken. I'm not sure what just yet, maybe an enzyme of some kind.

Perhaps preventative measures of this nature could be compiled and published here on TOT?

[Cearna]

Just short note as well that comes in along with this hypersensitivty, which must make a difference in the idea os mass innoculation of people. My family must have some gene problem, that covers different ranges within it of certain effects. My nephew when very tiny, developed eczema , and the dermatologistic says there is a link of this in families, astigmatism of the eyes, allergies, asthma, migraines and eczema, are all related and the effect, might be one or more of these in each child, I think it may have stemmed from my paternal grandmother, and we all down to my sister's children have one form or other of this. So how many people out there with this problem in a family may then be affected by innocultion with increased effects to hypersensitivity. I had little effect until I was working a particularly bad year at school in overworking and overtiredness. This ended in five lots of 'flu that year and each time lots of antibiotics and the flu needle. For several years before that I was given the 'flu needle and as new vaccines came out for mass immunisation for whatever it was, we teachers lined up with the students to be immunised, we also were subjected to smallpox innoculation. Now my Homeopath discovered that I was born with one of the cells inside the cells for immunity to diseases, which alwys made itself into the wrong shape, until with so many allergies etc, I ended up with leukaemia. Doctors did not find it out, he did, which is why in the second time round with this, once again from overwork strain I had the problem again, and my spirit Guides asked me to have the chemo treatment to see if it would remedy this problem, seems to have done that was 2003. But my beef is not so much that they are wrong "As they know not what they do" and are forcing upon us something that for many will not harm, but for just as many exaserbates into very much worse problems than might have been.

[Cearna]

The effect gets to me, as these are so endemic of a paralysis of thought which absolutely refuses to accept that this never was as simple a question as they are insisting upon.

It is the variable of what we are that is not even begun to be understood. We are in a huge sphere. It has a central core, and that is where we are. This Universe is the only one in this central portion - a fact which was unknown to my Minder, Ivan when he began advising me, it was accepted before this as being that there was, a Creator Above, who through many levels of others then got to the point where a helix was Created, using twelve Beings called the first family to them make Soul Groups, eg first family second family, third family and so on up to what is known as the last family, quite a lot of Soul families in fact , each Soul Family fitting into the shape of the helix as it spirals around, so the families are of different sizes and differing abilities to call their own, with the most advanced being the first one the least advanced being the last one.

There are 51 Universes in the part of the sphere where these all exist, known to us now as the second side. Each Universe has a Creator Source a, their being seven Sources in total, and Each Universe functions quite differently from the others, and so none of them function the same as this Universe does. Outside of this entire sphere, for some long distance is darkness, and what separates the Sphere from the darkness is a very thick protective wall. Beings do exist in that darkness, mostly parasitical in nature but mostly small in size, however, if they find a food Source they can grow to be enormous in size and quite powerful, mostly like ectoplasm, but ranging in all sorts of species as well.

Each Universe also is separated from the others by very thick protective walls including our separating us from the first, second, third and fourth sides. The Highest Beings of the Second side did not know that were were not a part of their side, and in some of the Universes, some people were considered "pest" shall we say to be removed from their societies and they were sent here to Earth because it was the only place of this particular kind of physicality and thus was considered by them to be inferior. They did not know Earth was a closed planet that no one was allowed to live on because of it's closeness to the Source of all of Everything. So we have a mix of differing Soul groups and differing capabilities to start off with. The first to arrive here way back in time were the Danaan (call them Celts) if you will, they found the skin was not compatible to theirs and so they experimented with animals here already and managed to create two different species for simplicities sake Homo Erectus and the Neanderthal which began on opposite end of the Earth. These two species were compatible having one half of their DNA coming from the same Source.

However, the Reptilian group I will call the Annunaki, came in from outside the sphere in the darkness and simply got here by crashing their way through and some managed to reach Earth, and also managed to mate with one or both of the two species here. But later in came the ones from other Universe of the Second side, and so also came in ET's from planets in this Universe which became inhabited also with people from outside in the darkness who came through the holes the Reptoids had punched in the walls. So although the scientist think we are the one species from one Source more or less we are not, and by now the mix is such a terrible mess that the Helix is now beyond repair. It is this helix upon which all life exists, and we are out of kilter with it. So when the scientists begin doctoring with our blood types and immune systems they are messing with such a wide mix of DNA that they should never be allowed to tamper with, in fact by Universal law is forbidden.

The next thing that they are now tampering with is the factor of fear. This is something so unknown in it's true effects that to begin as they are doing to play around with new disease and means such as you have all been discussing here has created so much fear and to create Government regulations to do with the use of immunity has created even more fear, and this goes towards upsetting nature itself, as this fear countermands opposits to attract which upsets the bonds of attraction of molecules within our bodies, until hearsay is beginning to rule our lives, instead of life being given its head to run it's own course within each person, as their fears are now countermanding stories of spirit and energies in motion with our lives. Too much thought of cause and effect in phsycallity and too little knowledge of how life actually is our own Spirit drawing life experiences to us.

[jonsnow]

I believe there is a link with mmr vaccines and autism . If you must get vaccines it is safer to get them one by one rather than the all in one .
I believe there is no health benefit in getting vaccines at all .

I am not a doctor or medical professional .

[Aragorn]

I believe there is a link with mmr vaccines and autism .

Did you even read any of the posts I've contributed to this thread, jonsnow?

Besides, I am autistic — I have a 12-page document lying around here somewhere to testify for that — and yet I have never been administered the MMR vaccine. As a young boy, I had the measles, and I had the mumps, and I had rubella. Woops, no vaccines. So how do you explain that?

But then again, there are also people who believe that Earth is flat. Just because they do, doesn't make it so.

[modwiz]

I believe there is a link with mmr vaccines and autism . If you must get vaccines it is safer to get them one by one rather than the all in one .
I believe there is no health benefit in getting vaccines at all .

I am not a doctor or medical professional .

I believe there is a link with low intelligence and posts like this. LOL

I am not an I.Q. researcher.

[jonsnow]

The problem with vaccines is that It over loads the immune system especially with chemicals what you should do however is build up the immune system rather than fight it cause problems .

•Yes, vaccines do contain neurotoxins as preservatives, and these neurotoxins are particularly dangerous to infants.

how does this stuff help infants especially the mmr which is composed of many vaccines

I rather they help rather than poison build rather than destroy but vaccines is a billion dollar industry with many supporters surprising even here

I believe there is a link with low intelligence and posts like this. LOL
I am not an I.Q. researcher.

I thank you

[lcam88]

But then again, there are also people who believe that Earth is flat. Just because they do, doesn't make it so.

Now now. That is a question of perspective.

If someone wanted to see for themselves, they would needs to go to a place that is very flat to notice the curvature. If you've never seen the earths curvature, you would be taking information that the world is round on faith.

<knowing this will trip Modwiz's low IQ detection alarms... />

Just out of curiosity, if you don't mind, what about other shots, say penicillin? And if so, any hypersensitivity?

Here is why I ask:

...the connection was well recognized and documented in the medical literature of the day. Dr Clemens Von Pirquet, who actually coined the word “allergy,” was a leading researcher in characterizing the new disease. [5] Serum Sickness was the first mass allergenic phenomenon in history. What had been required for its onset, apparently, was the advent of the hypodermic needle.

Maybe we should examine oral vaccines separately from those taken as injections so as to avoid the hypodermic factor.

ADDENDUM

Well, even oral vaccines have neuro-toxins and such in their composition...

[The One]

I believe there is a link with mmr vaccines and autism

Autism would still exist even if vaccines didn't. All these vaccines do is trigger something that are more noticeable with kids with autism.

My son who we decided against getting vaccinated is going through this process right now.We will be told what spectrum he will be on in a few months time.I am against vaccines completely and know if the vaccine programs stopped world wide there would be a decrease in deaths and not an increase.

What these vaccine's do is trigger something inside the human body it does not create autism.It feels like we are getting brainwashed into believing this idea and i could not disagree more.

[modwiz]

Good show, Jonsnow. You did not take my bait. Smarter than I thought. Makes me happy.