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    How quickly we label real history as "myth" or "legend"

    Urban Myth Confirmed True as Archaeologists Discover Hidden Tunnels in Mexico

    Talk of a maze of underground tunnels beneath the Colonial city of Puebla in Mexico have long been disregarded as mere urban legend. However, city authorities have now confirmed that their existence is no myth. Believed to date back as early as 1531, when the city was founded, the subterranean tunnels are believed to reach up to 10 kilometers in length beneath the historic center of the city.

    El Universal reports that the underground tunnels, which measure approximately 7 meters high and 3 meters wide, were discovered during public works being carried out in the city center. Four separate entrances were found filled with earth. After removing tons of earth and mud, investigations revealed a line of tunnels running from Fort Loreto to the Fort of Guadalupe in the upper part of town, and from Fort Loreto to the District of San Jose, located in the center of the city. A third line was discovered from the Fort of Guadalupe to Los Remedios Church, where the defence of Puebla took place against the invading French Army in 1862. However, there are believed to be many more.

    "In the urban narrative or urban legends there was word of the tunnels in Puebla, but nobody knew where they were, they had never been seen", the manager of Cultural Heritage and Historical Center of Puebla, Sergio Vergara Bermejo, told El Universal.
    http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-...-mexico-020517


    So these tunnels were used in the 1500's, and as late as 1862, only about 150 years ago, and yet they were regarded as "urban legends" until being rediscovered again, apparently.

    This is a pretty ridiculous example of what can become uber-skepticism in the academic world, where anything not sufficiently researched is liable to be slapped with the label of "myth" or "legend" way too prematurely.

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    What if these underground dwellings date back to the ice age?


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6nCkyZ_2qA


    What if many were "washed" by the the mythic "Flood".
    Like this flooding


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybqfKeemOUk


    This would be that area in ice comparison





    Doesn't it make sense to live underground or stay on the shorelines when it is colder?
    Living underground in high altitude areas would mean you were not drowned when floods came along.
    I think the locations of these underground cities need to be seen to be thousands AND thousands of years old? perhaps 20,000 years even?

    The reason why thousands of people rushed underground might be related to climate change according to some theorists that have studied the underground city of Derinkuyu. Mainstream climatologists believe that their models suggest the last ice age reached its peak approximately 18,000 years ago and ended around 10,000 B.C. This theory could prove to be accurate according to many who have had time to study the history of Derinkuyu and they point toward one of the oldest religious traditions on the face of the Earth, which is the Zoroastrian religion and according to sacred texts, the great prophet Yima was instructed to build an underground refuge similar to Derinkuyu by the sky God Ahura Mazda, to protect the people from a global ice age.http://www.ancient-code.com/the-myst...-of-derinkuyu/
    First part (1-20). Ahura Mazda proposes to Yima, the son of Vivanghat, to receive the law from him and to bring it to men. On his refusal, he bids him keep his creatures and make them prosper. Yima accordingly makes them thrive and increase, keeps death and disease away from them, and three times enlarges the earth, which had become too narrow for its inhabitants.

    Second part (21 to the end). On the approach of a dire winter, which is to destroy every living creature, Yima, being advised by Ahura, builds a Vara to keep there the finest representatives of every kind of animals and plants, and they live there a life of perfect happiness.

    It is difficult not to acknowledge in the latter legend a Zoroastrian adaptation of the deluge, whether it was borrowed from the Bible or from the Chaldaean mythology. The similitude is so striking that it did not escape the Moslems, and Macoudi states that certain authors place the date of the deluge in the time of Jamshed. There are essential and necessary differences between the two legends, the chief one being that in the monotheistic narration the deluge is sent as a punishment from God, whereas in the dualistic version it is a plague from the Daevas: but the core of the two legends is the same: the hero in both is a righteous man who, forewarned by God, builds a refuge to receive choice specimens of mankind) intended some day to replace an imperfect humanity, destroyed by a universal calamity.
    http://www.avesta.org/vendidad/vd2sbe.htm
    Yima, in ancient Iranian religion, the first man, the progenitor of the human race, and son of the sun. Yima is the subject of conflicting legends obscurely reflecting different religious currents.

    According to one legend, Yima declined God’s (Ahura Mazdā’s) offer to make him the vehicle of the religion and was instead given the task of establishing man’s life on earth. He became king in a golden age in which need, death, disease, aging, and extremes of temperature were banished from the earth because of his virtue. The golden age ended, says one tale, when Ahura Mazdā told Yima of a terrible winter to come. He was instructed to build an excellent domain under the earth, lit by its own light, and take in it the best individuals from each species to preserve their seed. There they should dwell through the winter’s destruction, then emerge and repopulate the earth.http://www.britannica.com/topic/Yima
    During the Jamshidi age (the age of Yima), the rule of law - a law grounded in grace and justice - developed and heralded a golden age during which time Airyana Vaeja, the Aryan homeland, became a paradise on earth. In legend, Jamshid is considered one of the wisest and greatest kings ever, but one who would nevertheless fell from grace, thus heralding the start of tragic epic cycles in Aryan history, cycles that rotated between good and evil times. (For a further discussion on this golden era, please see our section on Airyana Vaeja as paradise in our page on the possible location of Airyana Vaeja.) Regrettably, subsequent monarchs did not learn from past errors and declines, dooming themselves and the Aryan nation to repeat the tragic epic cycle.

    Since the Jamshedi age in legend lasted for over one thousand two hundred years, it would be unrealistic to expect this to be an accurate time period. Rather, it could indicate a long period of history that may have spanned several dynasties. Within this age, an early king, perhaps an eponymous Yima, would have ushered in a golden era - one that was sustained by subsequent Jamshedi age kings who may have continued presiding over significant societal change for the better. However, later kings might have become arrogant and complacent.

    We have examples of this scenario is later times where is have more historical information. For instance, in the last of the tragic epic cycles - the age of the Persian kings - we have historical records of an age that lasted about a thousand years from the Achaemenians to the Sassanians (about the same span of time as the Jamshidi age). During the Persian age, there was a golden era brought on by the rule of Cyrus the Great. Later, there came a time when the kings became arrogant. The dissention from within weakened the Persian Empire making it vulnerable to foreign aggression. Ultimately, what followed was the destruction of a historic civilization.

    Zoroastrians need to pay heed to the lessons of history, least those who have sacrificed so much to preserve these legends have done so in vain. History has been kind to Zoroastrians when they gained grace, but cruel and unforgiving when Zoroastrian leaders lost their grace. Arrogance, internal bickering, dissension and a loss of fundamental ethical principles are some of the symptoms of a fall from grace.

    Metal Age Developments
    During the Jamshidi age, iron was used to manufacture helmets, chain-mail tunics, breastplates, and coats of armour both for man and horse. Weaving was developed to a high art and included silk, cotton, and animal hair to produced finely woven and brocaded fabrics.

    Calendar, Nowruz and Weather
    The age saw the establishment of a calendar with the spring equinox being set as New Year's day - Nowruz. Holidays were promulgated and music began to be composed.

    At the outset of the Jamshedi era, the weather in the Aryan homeland, Airyana Vaeja was fair and equitable, with the spring equinox heralding the start of spring and a renewal after the winter.

    However, a thousand two hundred years after the start of the Jamshedi era, there was a sudden climate chill (Vendidad 2.22-25) and a drastic cooling (also see Aryans, page 3) - a mini Ice Age of sorts.

    Knowledge of Central Asia's climate and climate changes during the past 12,000 years can assist in an understanding of the historical periods in Central Asia. For instance, in an event called the Younger Dryas, the earth is known to have experienced a sudden cooling starting 12,800 years from the present, with the cooling lasting about 1,200 years. In addition, there is evidence of more recent and shorter cooling spells of, say, 100 years. Different regions could have experienced different degrees of change and a severe cooling event could also have been regional rather than global. If the location of Airyana Vaeja was an area like the Pamirs, a 50 to 100C drop in average temperatures would have been sufficient to make winter life very harsh (Vendidad, a book of the Zoroastrian scriptures, chapter 1.2 and 2.22). We are informed by the Avesta, that after the change in climate, the warm months (the rapithwan months) in Airyana Vaeja were shortened from the normal seven months to two months in duration (Vendidad 1.3, notes in Vendidad Sada and Bundahishn 25 - the warm months being those when the ground waters are cooler than the surface). http://www.heritageinstitute.com/zor...prehistory.htm
    Just thinking....
    Last edited by Maggie, 19th March 2016 at 05:31.

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