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    I don't think that way, Aianawa. That doesn't mean that lots of people don't. I don't think you think that way.

    And you really need to be aware that what I wrote is not an outlier attitude. It's an ugly truth which needs to be spoken so that people can see that it's a real dynamic which exists.

    Candace could very well be taking advantage of it herself and laughing all the way to the black bank. But whatever she is is not at all straightforward in the very racist atmospheres which exsist over here.

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    yay! Netanyahu has won again...Yay! Who's with me?!!
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    yay! Netanyahu has won again...Yay! Who's with me?!!
    You are cheering because a far-right Zionist has won the Israeli elections?
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    I'm trying to see who makes the mistake of agreeing with me... I'm a tricky dude...Tricky NotAPretender is my nickname...
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    Israel continues it's apartheid.

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    The U.S. is teetering...things have gotten really really weird...
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    It's gonna be an interesting day on PA...the twisted logic was flying pretty quickly.
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    You ever heard of this guy, Aragorn: Rafael Correa. It seems he is highly outraged at somesuch Moreno because Moreno is the biggest traitor in the history of the world for giving up Assange.


    Ecuador’s Great Betrayal

    Ecuador’s president Lenin Moreno was elected to continue Correa’s Citizens' Revolution — but has set about dismantling it instead.
    Lenin Moreno in the National Assembly in Quito, Ecuador on May 24, 2018. Equipo de Fotografía, Asamblea Nacional / Flickr

    In a little over a year, the political landscape in Ecuador has changed dramatically.

    For more than a decade, the Citizen’s Revolution that began under Rafael Correa made tremendous strides in reduction of poverty and inequality, including taking hundreds of thousands of children off the streets and into schools, while also significantly increasing Ecuador’s middle class.

    The country also achieved political and social stability after years of turmoil that followed the 1998 banking crisis.

    The Citizen’s Revolution was not without its detractors and contradictions however, including rows and protests over reproductive rights, extractive industries, and more recently, corruption scandals involving key government figures.

    Nonetheless, in the 2017 elections Ecuador was seen as having bucked the trend of right-wing victories across Latin America. The candidate from Correa’s Alianza PAIS, Lenin Moreno, was elected on a platform of continuity — but signs of a looming divergence began to emerge.

    Moreno and Correa are now bitter enemies, with Moreno’s government seeking to jail his former ally as they did with Correa’s last vice president, Jorge Glas. Alianza PAIS has split, and Correa’s allies have not yet been allowed to register a new party.

    The Moreno government has also allied with political forces on the right to pass significant austerity and liberalization measures, while shifting the country’s foreign policy to a more US-friendly disposition.

    The spectacular shift — which Correa has characterized as a “treason” or a “coup” — has baffled many.

    Guillaume Long served as Correa’s last foreign minister. He was also the head of international affairs for Alianza PAIS, and led efforts to create a broad space for Latin American left parties called the Latin American Progressives Summit (ELAP). Long spoke to Jacobin about what is happening in Ecuador and the state of the Left in the region.

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    The political-economic reforms that were surprisingly ushered in by Lenin Moreno as well as the split that occurred in the ruling Alianza PAIS are examples of the tectonic shifts in the country’s politics. What explains the departure from the election platform and allegiances by Lenin and his supporters, many of whom had supported Correa and the Citizen’s Revolution?

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    There are a number of internal factors, the first one of course being the choice of Correa’s successor, one might argue by Correa himself, so that’s a significant mistake. I mean it was born out of good intentions, with Correa deciding not to run again.

    This was supposed to be a very democratic move. It was likely that Correa would win, whereas Lenin struggled to win, but he won with Correa’s votes. If you do a rigorous analysis of the Moreno vote in 2017, it’s basically the bastions of popular support for Correismo.

    But the idea was to have someone who would be more to the center because we’ve had a lot polarizing policies, particularly in 2015 with a new windfall tax on land and inheritance that didn’t exist before. The right wing was highly mobilized and it was thought that someone like Lenin Moreno, a benign character that was all about dialogue, would institutionalize things. Maybe even Correa could come back four years later with a more radical agenda and continue the transformation.

    But also I think a number of mistakes were committed by the Correa administrations, particularly in the last years. These empowered Lenin, because there was a notion that Correa was too conflictive. The mistakes were more aesthetic than structural, and they made Lenin not just an heir of Correa, but a viable alternative for other sectors who were unsympathetic to Correa.

    When Moreno departed from Correa in the first few months, he was able to capitalize on people who were fed up with Correa’s polarizing style of rule. Particularly in the middle classes, there was a feeling that it was time for a much more ecumenical kind of government, one that would listen, that would be less conflictive. Of course, this was used as a platform for the recuperation of power and to put an end to all sorts of policies including redistributive policies that the elites disagreed with.

    Of course there are also exogenous factors. Correa’s last two years of rule were the most difficult. In 2014, the commodities crash affected the economy in a very serious way. This meant that instead of finishing on a high, Correa finished on a low. Now paradoxically, I would argue that his best governance was between 2014 and 2017, where he surfed the commodities decline in a very intelligent way. Ecuador is the only country of its kind that didn’t face a major crisis because of the commodity decline.

    There was also an earthquake which participated in a negative growth, so there were all sorts of factors. Ecuador did a lot right: it managed to get out of the recession through anti-austerity investment, beating neoliberalism, demonstrating that austerity doesn’t work when times are good, and it works even less when times are bad.

    But people saw that there was a slowing down on the back of the economy, things got tougher, things got difficult. This enabled Lenin to come in with an agenda of change, but change that turned away from reform, away from transformation, away from redistribution, and returned to a sort of conservative style of rule which implies much less polarization with the elites.

    In this process, Lenin got the backing of the media. Suddenly there was this massive hegemony rebuilt around his figure which enabled him to consolidate himself politically.

    So why did people from Correa’s political project accompany Lenin? Correa’s government was always very heterogeneous, I would say from the Communist Party to the center right, it was broad. There were business sectors, but there were also social movements, trade unions, the Communist Party, the Socialist Party, and Alianza PAIS which is like the mass party, and within PAIS there are a lot of factions.

    That meant the Left in its entirety was represented. Correa had certain aspects that were radical, and others that were less radical, including his deeply embedded Catholicism which was problematic for certain sectors in his government. Some of those sectors saw Moreno as somebody who was more secular.

    At the time there was a possibility that Moreno would open up on a few of those fronts, certain gender reforms, sexual and reproductive rights. Now we know that hasn’t happened. We could go back into some of these accusations against Correa, because I would say with the great exception of abortion, on the other fronts, Ecuador made huge leaps forward on gender and LGBT issues.

    But it was a perception of certain sectors of the left that Moreno would be more progressive on those issues. That maybe we would lose some radicalism on the economic front, but you would gain some on identity politics.

    It hasn’t happened, but this is the reason why they joined.

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    It seems paradoxical that on the one hand, the current situation is a result of the weaknesses of Correa and his government; but on the other, he would have likely won the election. Given that, how would you describe the state of the Left and the Citizen’s Revolution in Ecuador today?

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    I wish politics was less contradictory because both hold true. I think Correa would have won, but I also think that it was very easy to set up an anti-Correa platform. You got two broad sections of society — one that would have voted for Correa and one that wouldn’t have voted for Correa. I think Moreno managed to get elected with one half, but rule with the other...

    https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/08/e...o-alianza-pais
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    You ever heard of this guy, Aragorn: Rafael Correa. [...]
    No, I can't say that I have, but thanks for posting this article. It certainly clarifies a lot .
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    Trump referred to Netanyahu as American Jews' prime Minister.

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    Trump is demonstrably very mentally ill...We have a near madman at the helm...Can ANYONE think that is a good thing?
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    In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

    Albeit that man might have a malfunctioning eye too.

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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

    Albeit that man might have a malfunctioning eye too.
    sometimes no eyes can see what eyes can't see...

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