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    Oh great, another thread about Donald Trump ─ like there weren't enough of them yet, right?








    I am merging this thread with the "Trump: Illusion, Mist & Bought?" thread.
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    The Squad has been in the news, you may not have got that news over your way Aragorn, next time I will do my best to leave Trump name out of thread, they are imo news worthy of their own thread but you know best sir.

    ps If enough people realised they were Trump sales people by their actions, he would likely dissipate and just maybe MW will get more air n energy.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    The Squad has been in the news, you may not have got that news over your way Aragorn,
    Indeed not, unless you are talking about Trump's racist comment about those four female politicians. That one has been in the news here, yes. But the term "squad" has not been mentioned here in any way, shape or form, and so I don't know what you're referring to, other than that it is obviously going to be about Trump again.

    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    next time I will do my best to leave Trump name out of thread, they are imo news worthy of their own thread but you know best sir.
    A link and a brief description would have been useful.

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    ps If enough people realised they were Trump sales people by their actions, he would likely dissipate and just maybe MW will get more air n energy.
    To be honest, I don't think it's that simple. The QAnon phenomenon in and of itself is already making sure that Donald Trump stays in the attention, and his own tweets do the same. And he did from the start ─ and currently still does ─ have a great number of US Americans behind him. I personally think that the chances of him getting re-elected for a second term are very real.

    Marianne Williamson on the other hand, as sympathetic as she may be ─ and I personally do like her ─ represents a breach with the tradition of corporately sponsored candidates, and she is a woman, and she does not subscribe to the warmongering of the Pentagon and the military-industrial complex, so I regard the chances very real that her own party ─ the US Democrats ─ will shove her aside in favor of a candidate who continues supporting the status quo. I'll put it even stronger: it is my firm belief that the US Democrats would rather allow Bernie Sanders to run against Donald Trump than that they would support Marianne Williamson, because The Powers That Be™ know that Sanders can be manipulated and pushed around ─ as became evident when they got him to step aside in favor of Hillary Clinton back in 2016.

    After all, the US presidential elections have never been about changing the course of the USA as a nation, whether national or international. The Powers That Be™ will not allow that. The only thing they will allow is a moderate amount of variation in how the next president of the USA will be going about at serving their agenda, but the agenda will always be the same.

    It's a system one simply cannot break ─ even though it should definitely be broken ─ because the US population has already for many decades been so far gone that they know nothing other than the system as it exists, and that they can't think out of the box. Trump's success in spite of his preposterous and ostensibly pro-fascist/anti-environmental administration proves that. If the people truly were Awake & Aware™, then they would not have voted for Donald Trump in 2016, but for a candidate from outside of the bipartisan system ─ someone like Jill Stein for instance. But even then, several US states do not even allow voting for an independent candidate. So the system is self-reinforcing.

    If any real change is to come, then it'll have to come from the grassroots, not from within the political system, because said change would by definition have to include a rejection of the bipartisan hegemony and the political establishment. Marianne has all the right qualities, but she'll never see them come to fruition as long as she stays within the system.
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    Will contemplate this your post as feel there be more for me to assimilate still, do feel Trump was a pretty big breach already and maybe allows the likes of MW space, Trump again being taken out of context does not surprise me though.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Oh great, another thread about Donald Trump ─ like there weren't enough of them yet, right?








    I am merging this thread with the "Trump: Illusion, Mist & Bought?" thread.
    Unsure how to get this vid here but will try

    https://www.facebook.com/thehodgetwi...8960494849235/

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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    Will contemplate this your post as feel there be more for me to assimilate still, do feel Trump was a pretty big breach already [...]
    No, see, that's where you're wrong. Donald Trump was not a breach ─ he only looked like he was, because he did not have a background in politics. But in terms of his agenda and his alignment, he represents the hard-right that was already present in the USA in the form of the Tea Party and the Ku Klux Clan, and he received corporate and even criminal sponsorship during his 2016 campaign. (Let's leave the Russians out of it for now, as there is not enough hard evidence (yet).)

    And Trump definitely still serves the status quo ─ America is the greatest country in the world, yadda yadda, America must conquer other nations spread democracy, more taxpayer money has to be donated to the corporations under the guise of stimulating employment, the military-industrial complex must be reinforced, and so on. There's nothing new under the sun, except in how fanatic and at the same time also how incompetent he is. Donald Trump is so incompetent and so white-supremacist that he makes even George W. Bush look like a good president.

    Marianne Williamson on the other hand is an entirely different kind of person. She is opposed to imperialism and war, she is opposed to inequality, she is opposed to nationalism and knee-jerk politics, she pleads for a greater spiritual awareness, and she seeks to reform the education system ─ which up until now has been a major instrument for the indoctrination with the insular US-centric vantage and American Exceptionalism. She's also altruistic, she does not have any corporations behind her, and she's too determined and idealistic to allow herself to be manipulated or pushed around. She's honest and she's sincere to the bone. That's about as far removed from the status quo as any presidential candidate can ever be, and especially so Donald Trump.

    But ultimately, it's going to come down to the voter, and if you compare the few who have enough of a spiritual awareness to the many who are trapped in ─ if not enjoying ─ the knee-jerk nationalism and populist fascism of Donald Trump, then it is more than clear that Marianne will never get a fair shot at the White House. The Democrats will nominate Joe Biden instead, or perhaps Bernie Sanders. Hell, they'll even support Hillary Clinton if she were to decide to make a comeback ─ and she just might want to.

    The system is corrupt, and it will therefore by definition only support corrupted or corruptible presidential candidates. Marianne Williamson does not fit that description.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    Unsure how to get this vid here but will try

    https://www.facebook.com/thehodgetwi...8960494849235/
    Here, let me do it for you. (You have to use only the numerical string of the link, and use the Facebook icon in the toolbar instead of the regular video icon. )


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    Never heard of the twins till now, millions of hits for vid, social media very powerful and hard for weres n negs to control still imo, thanks for that Aragorn.

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