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    Mark Twain had a saying about truth n reality.

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    The President of the United States is saying dangerous and inflammatory things.

    I'm not allowed to spread bomb scares. I'm not allowed to yell fire in a building.

    Trump has the bully pulpit and the ear of the world.

    WTF are people thinking supporting this?

    Who has the vision to see how destructive it is for a President to call for locking up political opponents, to call large amounts of Americans unpatriotic and treasonous?

    Do people really want to see a bunch of innocent folks locked up? Because of their politics?

    Are people really that stupid?

    I'm stunned and amazed that this is still supported by anyone.

    This alternative community has lectured me more than once:

    "First they came for the..."

    Does this community even understand what it says or know what it means?

    What are people getting out of spreading this?

    It ain't gonna be truth or freedom folks.

    That'll be gone if this is still supported.

    People need to wake up for real.
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    Hi DT:

    We've lost it...this is truly a turning point in world history...too many people! Studies many years ago foretold it. Overpopulated rats turn on each other.

    "It's a rat race and the rats are winning!"
    "We are one thought away from changing the world!"

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    Many said that change was impossible, the Weres cemented in all/most power places from religion to corparations n agencies, wrong, as it is changing. Still even now, feel Trump will not be 2020 president.

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    Wonder who will take over from Trump, not Pence for sure. Imo it is shocking that so many good people are unaware of past corruption within the dems n reps and other Weres control points, let alone the present corruption, so exciting that we will actually have untouchables ( and these ones are not known to public as such ) getting pointed at, getting past timelines of involvement pointed out, having their minions turn etc.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    Wonder who will take over from Trump, not Pence for sure. Imo it is shocking that so many good people are unaware of past corruption within the dems n reps and other Weres control points [...]
    It's not that the people aren't aware of it. They are certainly aware of it, but the sad thing is that their continued belief in the two-party system makes them forget about past and present corruption in favor of the unrealistic hope that the system will some day bring forth someone who isn't corrupted.

    We've got elections coming up again here in Belgium, and I see the exact same thing time and again over here as well, even though our system has more than two parties. The major contenders here are the greens, the (pseudo-)socialists, the Christian-democrats (and their humanist siblings in the francophone regions), the Keynesian-liberals and the Flemish-nationalists.

    It's a form of denial. And it's insane.
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    insane is the correct word for it, Aragorn,

    I think what is being overlooked here once again is 'THE true conspiracy'. The right! They have framed the insanity and made it real. In the U.S. 35 to 40 percent are beyond seeing it and the rest of us are at the mercy of it. The right power structure have been playing us for a long time if not forever. They are a different species as yet unidentified by science. The metaphysicists know it but cannot quantify or qualify it because of corruption among their own ranks. How will we overcome it? It is ultimately an endgame... ...it is no pun however. It is real and if we don't master it, we will always be a slave to it until a new species untainted by primeval man emerges...enlightenment.
    "We are one thought away from changing the world!"

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    I feel that Joe Biden will be quite popular in the race, but will he still be able to challenge the so popular infamous Mr. Cheeto?

    Even then, Biden too is part of the old, corrupt establishment who doesn't want a change in the status quo...

    The pessimist in me says that (the corrupt) politics can't solve the problems of humanity at this present level of collective consciousness unfortunately... As time is running relatively short, it might be something else. Even if that may be a collapse.

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    hard to argue that one, Wind. Joe Biden might be good to inject a little humanity back into the process...he needs a good political foil as a running mate to get everyone onboard in the Dem world. Truth is, Gen Z'ers are just about done with the two party system.
    "We are one thought away from changing the world!"

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    Agree NAP and we are all in one party, the human one, choosing differing experiences, depending on how well one knows their own mind.

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    Thinking

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    Quote Originally posted by giovonni View Post
    Some more devil in the detail talk ...


    Under Trump, the Language We Use to Create Political Reality Is Crumbling



    “The President provides the hunches and instincts,” Kiron Skinner said, at the annual Future Security Forum, “and it’s my job, and that of Secretary Pompeo, to turn those hunches and instincts into hypotheses.”
    "One of the most frightening things I’ve witnessed in recent months was a very polite conversation in a well-lit room in the Ronald Reagan Building, in Washington, D.C., on Monday. The director of policy planning at the State Department, Kiron Skinner, was interviewed onstage by a woman who used to hold her job: Anne-Marie Slaughter, who is now the head of the New America Foundation (where I am a fellow this year). The occasion was the annual Future Security Forum, and the audience consisted of several dozen foreign-policy and security experts, many of them in uniform.

    The discussion was nominally devoted to the challenges that the State Department will face in 2030, though very little was said about that year or, indeed, about the future. It was conducted in the moderately accessible policy jargon that is typical of such conversations. Except this time the familiar language took on the opposite of its usual sticky, overburdened quality: it was hollow now, like the words meant nothing. Not literally nothing, of course—words always convey some meaning, and the meaning inevitably changes depending on the speaker and the context—but here the chasm between what the words might have meant to one interlocutor and what they meant when spoken by the other was so vast that it was as though the words were no longer part of a recognizable language. The same was true of the women’s introductory banter. They both noted that it was remarkable that two State Department policy directors were speaking to each other and that both were women. They didn’t note it, but the audience saw that one of them, Skinner, is an African-American woman. This was three days after President Trump doubled down on his characterization of the neo-Nazis who marched in Charlottesville, in August 2017, as “very fine people,” and one’s brain could break trying to grasp the meaning of this African-American woman’s status and presence.

    A large part of Skinner’s job is listening to what the President says and trying to make sense of it. She said as much. “The President provides the hunches and instincts,” she said, “and it’s my job, and that of Secretary Pompeo, to turn those hunches and instincts into hypotheses.” She called the hypotheses the “Trump Doctrine” and the “Pompeo Corollary.” Slaughter, logically, asked what the Trump Doctrine was. “That’s a tough one,” Skinner responded, without a hint of irony. “It is, in a kind of broad way, a set of pillars that address twenty-first-century realities.”

    The pillars were: the “return to national sovereignty”; national interest; reciprocity in international relations and trade; “burden sharing,” particularly in defense; and “new regional partnerships” for what she described as “particular crises.”

    “If I can summarize,” Slaughter suggested, “the Trump Doctrine is ‘The United States is a sovereign nation guided by its national interest—we’ll do for you if you’ll do for us.’ ”

    Skinner confirmed that Slaughter’s understanding was correct. Then she spun this crude approach to international relations as something akin to naïve art. “Donald Trump, who probably has not studied international relations extensively, and who has been a successful businessman, but who did study at Penn,” Skinner, who was educated at Spelman College and Harvard, said, has reignited debate “on some concepts that we thought were settled.” He has forced the foreign-policy establishment to revisit “first principles,” Skinner said—most importantly, to debate the meaning of national sovereignty. She did not elaborate on the substance of the debate, and one got the impression that the debate was rather an exercise in translating the slogan “America first” into the language of bureaucracy. It was like saying that someone who has carpet-bombed your city has turned your fellow-citizens into builders again: technically it’s true, but morally and intellectually it is a lie.

    It came time for Slaughter to ask about the Pompeo Corollary. Skinner seemed almost surprised to have to answer the question. “The Pompeo Corollary,” she said, “is trying to find the diplomatic angle in all aspects of what the President is attempting to do—in security, society, the economy, energy, and the international system, and in each of those, looking at, what’s the role of diplomacy?” she said. “We are working on that, and it’s a lot of fun!” No one, including Skinner, seemed to smile. But, once the floor was opened to questions, everyone was very polite, as though they were having an actual meaningful conversation with a key government official.

    I have heard talk like this before, in Russia. A government official once told me that he “carried out emanations”: not policies, laws, or even orders but signals akin to what Skinner called “hunches and instincts.” It’s what officials do in countries that are led by a combination of ignorance and corruption. I had heard the isolationism and destruction of Putin’s rule be framed in phrases such as “sovereign democracy” and in a lot of other plausible-sounding policy gobbledygook that served to rob every word of familiar meaning. In Russia, a kind of record was set last week, when a senator named Yelena Mizulina claimed—on the day the Russian parliament passed a law that enables the state to wall Russia off from the World Wide Web—that “where something is banned is where a person is most free. Because it means, ‘This is forbidden but everything else is up to you.’ ” She added, “Because what is the rule of law? That’s the biggest unfreedom! The more rights you have, the less free you are, because rights, unlike prohibitions, are when you are supposed to act strictly in the way that accords with the law.”

    A decade and a half ago, Mizulina belonged to Yabloko, a pro-democracy political party. Even more recently, some of the words she was throwing around last week held meaning that most Russians could agree upon. But now, even if the Putin era were to end tomorrow, there would be no language left to use to create a new political reality. Watching Skinner on Monday, I was struck, not only by how familiar the process of hollowing out language felt but by how quickly, easily, and politely a Washington audience can accommodate itself to it."


    By Masha Gessen, a staff writer at The New Yorker
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    Question

    Donald J. Trump


    Runnin' with the devil


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    Quote Originally posted by giovonni View Post
    Will share this here ...
    yeah, that's heavy and is getting to the gist of things...the grist mill for plain truth and honesty. One of the things I've realized about Trump...despite his ignorance he does have the instincts of Satan himself. Duplicity and hollowness of character are the instincts he was born with. His instincts of self-preservation and 'winning' serve him very well. When I looked at his Natal chart I recognized that he could have that power to use. And look at those around him, he is a contagious disease, but corrupted power such as that invites powerful foes to mobilize for battle.
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    hard to argue that one, Wind. Joe Biden might be good to inject a little humanity back into the process...he needs a good political foil as a running mate to get everyone onboard in the Dem world. Truth is, Gen Z'ers are just about done with the two party system.
    They are.

    And it's easier to take over/coopt an existing machine than to create a new one. The one they can take over starts with a D.

    Unless of course they take over the whole US of A...



    ...invites powerful foes to mobilize for battle.
    Remember the line from Mulan?

    "Stop me! He invited me. By building his wall, he challenged my strength. Well, I'm here to play his game. Go! Tell your Emperor to send his strongest armies. I'm ready."


    (They tell us all we need to know in the movies, right?)

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    indeed they do...
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