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    She says Democrats are pretending there's not a wall. That's weird to say. We have wall on parts of the border, I see it in San Diego regularly, and it's not being denied by Democrats.

    They're not pretending we don't have a wall.

    We don't need a 2K mile cement barrier, and we don't need a wall over the whole border. We have barriers in strategic regions. That's the smart thing to do.

    Not a wall the whole way. That's just brain-dead stupid.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    She says Democrats are pretending there's not a wall. That's weird to say. We have wall on parts of the border, I see it in San Diego regularly, and it's not being denied by Democrats.

    They're not pretending we don't have a wall.

    We don't need a 2K mile cement barrier, and we don't need a wall over the whole border. We have barriers in strategic regions. That's the smart thing to do.

    Not a wall the whole way. That's just brain-dead stupid.
    zactly!!

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    You have to know these points are all twisted beyond recognition. Part of what they are doing is playing on their listener's ignorance of nuance and even history. This is for the black and white thinker.
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    Thankyou

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    I don't think you fall into either one of those categories Aianawa...honestly, I'm scratching my head trying to figure out why you enjoy it so much...

    It is increasingly obvious that Trump's Dark State needs to be brought down. They are all common thugs...truly, very much like 3rd world country leaders. How these people actually managed to take over a 1st world nation will be debated in history books for centuries.
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    Government of by and for the People...when they decide to go along, or not actively stop this crap; when the Congress doesn't do its effing job; when people fall for the cons and miss the real job that's being done on them; etc.

    Divided we fall. By inaction and complacence we fall.

    That's why I'm in favor of the activism and speaking out and more that's going on. We need enough of "We the People" to get active and stop this crap. And we don't need more war.

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    Ta 4 the chuckle, look at Modwiz's work of late, just seeing the truth of the statue of liberty for what it actually is has not got you thinking or squeezing a couple of feelings up that require investigation ? or at least the star fort it sits upon ?, imo being set free was no fun and stages still always lol.

    About two thirds in I think >

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    1:51:50 to be exact!
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    Thinking

    Trump offers socialism for the rich, capitalism for everyone else

    Neoliberalism has a corollary, socialism for the rich. This essay by Robert Reich spells out the form of that socialism. Always remember that when you hear a politician say, we can’t afford socialism that what they are really saying is, I am a creature of the rich who fund my campaigns, and I support only one social priority, profit for my sponsors. What is the proof?

    The Theorem of Wellbeing shows without exception that social programs that foster wellbeing are more efficient, more productive, easier to implement, more pleasant to live under, and much, much cheaper. Just consider healthcare. We spend orders of magnitude more per capita than any other developed nation and yet we get dreadful social outcomes, while obscenely enriching everyone in the illness profit system, except the doctors and nurses.

    Stephan A. Schwartz

    By Robert Reich



    America will never be a socialist country,” Donald Trump declared in his State of the Union address. Someone should alert Trump that America is now a hotbed of socialism. But it is socialism for the rich. Everyone else is treated to harsh capitalism.

    In the conservative mind, socialism means getting something for doing nothing. That pretty much describes the $21bn saved by the nation’s largest banks last year thanks to Trump’s tax cuts, some of which went into massive bonuses for bank executives. On the other hand, more than 4,000 lower-level bank employees got a big dose of harsh capitalism. They lost their jobs.

    Banks that are too big to fail – courtesy of the 2008 bank bailout – enjoy a hidden subsidy of some $83bn a year, because creditors facing less risk accept lower interest on deposits and loans. Last year, Wall Street’s bonus pool was $31.4bn. Take away the hidden subsidy and the bonus pool disappears.

    Trump and his appointees at the Federal Reserve are easing bank requirements put in place after the bailout. They’ll make sure the biggest banks remain too big to fail.

    Trump is promoting socialism for the rich and harsh capitalism for everyone else in other ways. GM has got more than $600m in federal contracts, plus $500m in tax breaks. Some of this has gone into the pockets of GM executives. Chairman and CEO Mary Barra raked in almost $22m in total compensation in 2017 alone.

    But GM employees are subject to harsh capitalism. GM is planning to lay off more than 14,000 workers and close three assembly plants and two component factories in North America by the end of 2019.

    When he was in business, Trump perfected the art of using bankruptcy to shield himself from the consequences of bad decisions – socialism for the rich at its worst – while leaving employees twisting in the wind.

    Now, all over America, executives who run their companies into the ground are getting gold-plated exit packages while their workers get pink slips.

    Sears is doling out $25m to the executives who stripped its remaining assets and drove it into bankruptcy, but has no money for the thousands of workers it laid off.

    As Pacific Gas and Electric hurtles toward bankruptcy, the person who was in charge when the deadly infernos roared through northern California last year (caused in part by PG&E’s faulty equipment) has departed with a cash severance package of $2.5m. The PG&E executive in charge of gas operations when records were allegedly falsified left in 2017 with $6.9m.

    Under socialism for the rich, you can screw up big time and still reap big rewards. Equifax’s Richard Smith retired in 2017 with an $18m pension in the wake of a security breach that exposed the personal information of 145 million consumers to hackers.

    Wells Fargo’s Carrie Tolstedt departed with a $125m exit package after being in charge of the unit that opened more than 2 million unauthorized customer accounts.

    Around 60% of America’s wealth is now inherited. Many of today’s super-rich have never done a day’s work in their lives.

    Trump’s response has been to cut the estate tax to apply only to estates valued at over $22m per couple. Mitch McConnell is now proposing that the estate tax be repealed altogether.

    What about the capitalist principles that people earn what they’re worth in the market, and that economic gains should go to those who deserve them?

    America is on the cusp of the largest inter-generational wealth transfer in history. As rich boomers expire over the next three decades, an estimated $30tn will go to their children.

    Those children will be able to live off of the income these assets generate, and then leave the bulk of them to their own heirs, tax-free. (Capital gains taxes don’t apply to the soaring values of stocks, bonds, mansions and other assets of wealthy people who die before they’re sold.)

    After a few generations of this, almost all of the nation’s wealth will be in the hands of a few thousand non-working families. To the conservative mind, the specter of socialism conjures up a society in which no one is held accountable, and no one has to work for what they receive. Yet that’s exactly the society Trump and the Republicans are promoting for the rich.

    Meanwhile, most Americans are subject to an increasingly harsh and arbitrary capitalism in which they’re working harder but getting nowhere, and have less security than ever.

    They need thicker safety nets and deserve a bigger piece of the economic pie. If you want to call this socialism, fine. I call it fair."


    Robert Reich, a former US secretary of labor, is professor of public policy at the University of California at Berkeley
    and the author of Saving Capitalism: For the Many, Not the Few and The Common Good

    Source:theguardian.com

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    Here's Abby on Trump and US Imperialism:


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    M. King Hubbert based his human value on energy expended. If the champagne drinkers were paid that way they would be living in a comfortable doghouse.
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