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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    We can't let this damn U.S. politics thread get away ...

    Thought for the day:

    For a voting bloc that disbelieves in social realities and whom has a natural law moral sense that reads, 'That applies to you, but not me!', there is only one leader possible and indeed he is perfection itself.

    I grant a single guess as to whom that is?
    Jesus?
    Whatever is true. Whatever is noble. Whatever is right. Whatever is lovely. Whatever is admirable. Anything of excellence and worthy of praise. Dwell on these things. Jesus Christ (I agree)

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    Matt Kahn ?

    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    We can't let this damn U.S. politics thread get away ...

    Thought for the day:

    For a voting bloc that disbelieves in social realities and whom has a natural law moral sense that reads, 'That applies to you, but not me!', there is only one leader possible and indeed he is perfection itself.

    I grant a single guess as to whom that is?

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    Quote Originally posted by Elen View Post
    Jesus?
    Nyuk! Nyuk! Nyuk!

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5X8qDDMC-o


    wrong answer

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    Matt Kahn ?
    Matt Kahn is the sweetest of sweethearts...
    "We are one thought away from changing the world!"

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    34 years ago, a KGB defector chillingly predicted modern America

    Whether you believe Putin really has some kind of compromising material to make Trump do his bidding or if Trump is simply being nice to people who partially helped get him elected, or if you somehow still think, despite ample evidence to the contrary, that all this is much ado about nothing, the fact is President Putin is a very experienced former KGB officer. He has both the know-how and the intelligence to carry out very far-sighted and ingenious operations. We don’t know his endgame and neither do we know how much of his KGB training he still employs, but in light of current events, there may be a way for us to get a deeper understanding by studying the words of Yuri Alexandrovich Bezmenov, a former KGB agent who defected to Canada in 1970.

    In 1984, Bezmenov gave an interview to G. Edward Griffin from which much can be learned today. His most chilling point was that there’s a long-term plan put in play by Russia to defeat America through psychological warfare and “demoralization”. It’s a long game that takes decades to achieve but it may already be bearing fruit.

    Bezmenov made the point that the work of the KGB mainly does not involve espionage, despite what our popular culture may tell us. Most of the work, 85% of it, was “a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare.”

    What does that mean? Bezmenov explained that the most striking thing about ideological subversion is that it happens in the open as a legitimate process. “You can see it with your own eyes,” he said. The American media would be able to see it, if it just focused on it.

    Bezmenov described this process as “a great brainwashing” which has four basic stages. The first stage is called “demoralization” which takes from 15 to 20 years to achieve. According to the former KGB agent, that is the minimum number of years it takes to re-educate one generation of students that is normally exposed to the ideology of its country. In other words, the time it takes to change what the people are thinking.

    He used the examples of 1960s hippies coming to positions of power in the '80s in the government and businesses of America. Bezmenov claimed this generation was already “contaminated” by Marxist-Leninist values. Of course, this claim that many baby boomers are somehow espousing KGB-tainted ideas is hard to believe but Bezmenov’s larger point addressed why people who have been gradually “demoralized” are unable to understand that this has happened to them.

    In what is perhaps a most striking passage in the interview, here’s how Bezmenov described the state of a “demoralized” person:

    “As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore,” said Bezmenov. “A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures; even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him [a] concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it, until he [receives] a kick in his fan-bottom. When a military boot crashes his balls then he will understand. But not before that. That's the [tragedy] of the situation of demoralization.”

    Once demoralization is completed, the second stage of ideological brainwashing is “destabilization”. During this two-to-five-year period, asserted Bezmenov, what matters is the targeting of essential structural elements of a nation: economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. Basically, the subverter (Russia) would look to destabilize every one of those areas in the United States, considerably weakening it.

    The third stage would be “crisis”. It would take only up to six weeks to send a country into crisis, explained Bezmenov. The crisis would bring “a violent change of power, structure, and economy” and will be followed by the last stage, "normalization." That’s when your country is basically taken over, living under a new ideology and reality.

    In another, somewhat terrifying excerpt, here’s what Bezmenov had to say about what is really happening in the United States. It may think it is living in peace, but it has been actively at war with Russia. And for some time:

    “Most of the American politicians, media, and educational system trains another generation of people who think they are living at the peacetime,” said the former KGB agent. ”False. United States is in a state of war: undeclared, total war against the basic principles and foundations of this system.”

    Whether you think that is true may depend on your politics, but the reality of Russian active measures, as has been outlined in the recent indictments by the special counselor Robert Mueller, give Bezmenov’s words new urgency.



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    no, it's not hidden, it is all there...I have been tainted by Marxist philosophy, but I"m not easy...I want both...Capitalism and Marxism.

    In the last 5-10 years with social media including alt-right forums is when any possible past Russian plots really bore fruit. Most alt-righters, all tainted, can't bring themselves to recognize the depth of Putin's psychopathy and Machiavellian skills. The perfect storm occurred when Trump manifested, he is the one and only for what once were mainstream Protestants turned alt-rights. Turned alt-right because they couldn't handle the naked truth of the authoritarian nature's actions they witnessed first hand compliments of the 'Republican' Bush clan, but they never managed to fully divest themselves of their natural inclinations and were co-opted while in a state of unconscious impulse. Mix in the radical conservative groups that don't give a damn about anything but themselves, truly, and we have this morning's news.
    "We are one thought away from changing the world!"

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    Western media be pot calling kettle black here, as usual.

    Not much has changed since "white man speak with forked tongue".

    As if Western Intelligence isn't the damn poster child for subterfuge, coups, psychological operations, all that good stuff. Have "we" no shame with Caeaer's nekked bare ass wagging out there on the world stage for all to see as if we are pure? Decade after decade?

    Pffffffft...
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

    Socrates

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    hmmm......
    "We are one thought away from changing the world!"

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    Bezmenov thought it would be the baby boomers and liberals who would lead the country into it, but the author seems to have a different opinion. I copied most, but not all of the piece.

    As far as Socialism and Democracy and Capitalism go, in terms of people who believe the three can occur together, see an example opinion here.

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    There will be a second unite the right rally this sunday. Astrologically speaking these seem to be quite explosive times so I'd say don't go there, unless you get a kick out of physical confrontations. I just hope no one dies this time.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-rally-protest
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    Trump has already done that. Why do they need to march? They have their man in the White House.

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    They ?, the weres ?.

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    Propaducky ? > https://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...-stamps-trump/

    More than 2.8 million people dropped off food stamps since President Trump’s first full month in office, according to the latest numbers from the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA).

    The latest USDA data shows that since Trump served his first full month in office in February 2017—when food stamp enrollment was at 42,134,301— participation in the federal government’s food stamp program decreased by 2,804,945 to 39,329,356.

    During Trump’s first year and a half as president, many people discontinued their SNAP benefits due to the Trump administration’s attempts to reform SNAP at both the federal and state levels of government.

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    Aianawa, what is SNAP benefits?

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    Quick I think, mmmm we got any Usaians here to confirm this ?.

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