Trump: Illusion, Mist and Bought?

[Dumpster Diver]

Dumpy, you sure you're not mixing Obama with Biden?

Nope



Obummer can keep his hands to himself in photo shoots...

[Emil El Zapato]

Paula Jones might disagree...

Not trying to start a war, Aragorn...just demonstrating my ongoing point that there are true conspiracies most of which are sourced by the authoritarian right wing and are targeted at the progressive left...Not the other way around. It's a beautiful if not insidious technique.

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Jones v. Clinton

Background

According to Jones's account, on May 8, 1991, she was escorted to Clinton's (then Governor of Arkansas) room in the Excelsior (now Little Rock Marriott) Hotel in Little Rock, Arkansas, where he propositioned and exposed himself to her. She claimed she kept quiet about the incident until 1994, when a David Brock story in the American Spectator magazine printed an account. Jones filed a sexual harassment suit against Clinton on May 6, 1994, two days before the expiration of the three-year statute of limitations, and sought $750,000 in damages.

Initial lawsuit

Jones was initially represented by Gilbert Davis and Joseph Cammarata, two Washington, D.C.-area lawyers. Susan Carpenter-McMillan, a California conservative commentator, became her press spokesperson. Carpenter-McMillan wasted no time bringing the issue to the press, calling Clinton "un-American", a "liar", and a "philanderer" on Meet the Press, Crossfire, Equal Time, Larry King Live, Today, The Geraldo Rivera Show, Burden of Proof, Hannity & Colmes, Talkback Live, and other shows. "I do not respect a man who cheats on his wife, and exposes his penis to a stranger", she said.

Judge Susan Webber Wright granted President Clinton's motion for summary judgment, ruling that Jones could not demonstrate that she had suffered any damages. As to the claim of intentional infliction of emotional distress, Wright ruled that Jones failed to show that Clinton's actions constituted "outrageous conduct" as required of the tort, alongside not showing proof of damages caused by distress. Jones appealed the dismissal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit, where, at oral argument, two of the three judges on the panel appeared sympathetic to her arguments. Clinton and his defense team then challenged Jones' right to bring a civil lawsuit against a sitting president for an incident that occurred prior to the defendant's becoming president. The Clinton defense team took the position that the trial should be delayed until the president was no longer in office, because the job of the president is unique and does not allow him to take time away from it to deal with a private civil lawsuit. The case went through the courts, eventually reaching the Supreme Court on January 13, 1997. On May 27, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled against Clinton, and allowed the lawsuit to proceed. Clinton dismissed Jones's story and agreed to move on with the lawsuit.

On August 29, 1997, Jones' attorneys Davis and Cammarata asked to resign from the case, believing the settlement offer they had secured, which Jones refused, was the appropriate way to end the case. In September, Judge Wright accepted their request.

Jones was then represented by the Rutherford Institute, a conservative legal organization, and by a Dallas law firm. Carpenter-McMillan continued to serve as Jones' spokesperson. In December 1997, Jones reduced the damages sought in her suit against Clinton to $525,000 and agreed to remove Clinton's co-defendant and former bodyguard, Danny Ferguson, from the suit.

On April 2, 1998, before the case could reach trial, Judge Wright granted President Clinton's motion for dismissal, ruling that Jones could not show that she had suffered any damages. Jones soon appealed the dismissal to the United States Court of Appeals for the Eighth Circuit.

Conclusion of case

On November 13, 1998, Clinton settled with Jones for $850,000, the entire amount of her claim, without an apology, in exchange for her agreement to drop the appeal. Robert S. Bennett, Clinton's attorney, still maintained that Jones's claim was baseless and that Clinton only settled so he could end the lawsuit and move on with his life. In March 1999, Judge Wright ruled that Jones would get only $200,000 from the settlement and that the rest of the money would pay for her legal expenses.

Before the end of the entire litigation, her marriage broke apart. She also appeared in the news media to show the results of a makeover and rhinoplasty paid for by a donor.

In April 1999, Judge Wright found Clinton in civil contempt of court for misleading testimony in the Jones case. She ordered Clinton to pay $1,202 to the court and an additional $90,000 to Jones's lawyers for expenses incurred, far less than the $496,000 that the lawyers originally requested.

Wright then referred Clinton's conduct to the Arkansas Bar Association for disciplinary action, and on January 19, 2001, the day before Clinton left the office of president, he entered into an agreement with the Arkansas Bar and Independent Counsel Robert Ray under which Clinton was stripped of his license to practice law in Arkansas for a period of five years. His fine was paid from a fund raised for his legal expenses.

Penthouse Magazine
In December 1994, federal judge Peter K. Leisure ordered Penthouse Magazine not to distribute semi-nude photographs of Paula Jones that had been taken by her boyfriend Mike Turner. Owner Bob Guccione argued that the photos counted under "illustrations of newsworthy articles" and called the order prohibiting distribution of the magazine an instance of prior restraint, a position reflected by several respected professors of law; he also said the issue was already out in the hands of distributors.[24] This temporary restraining order was lifted two days later.[25] She later posed for photos illustrating an article, "The Perils of Paula Jones" in the December 2000 issue, citing the pressures of a large tax bill and two young sons to support.[26][27]

[palooka's revenge]

O's insanity? Missed that. Never seemed insane to me.

Clinically? Probably not. Not the way the DSM is written anyway.

Metaphorically? As far as I'm concerned, absolutely. The record on U.S. aggression agenda is a reflection of insanity. Hawk Obama, as a proponent and leader of that agenda for 8 years qualifies by default.

[palooka's revenge]

Not trying to start a war, Aragorn...just demonstrating my ongoing point that there are true conspiracies most of which are sourced by the authoritarian right wing and are targeted at the progressive left...Not the other way around. It's a beautiful if not insidious technique.

i'm inclined to agree with u...

[Aianawa]

Unlike Trumpie, media was silent, mmmmm maybe the media all of a sudden grew intelligent.

Clinically? Probably not. Not the way the DSM is written anyway.

Metaphorically? As far as I'm concerned, absolutely. The record on U.S. aggression agenda is a reflection of insanity. Hawk Obama, as a proponent and leader of that agenda for 8 years qualifies by default.

[palooka's revenge]

Clinically? Probably not. Not the way the DSM is written anyway.

Metaphorically? As far as I'm concerned, absolutely. The record on U.S. aggression agenda is a reflection of insanity. Hawk Obama, as a proponent and leader of that agenda for 8 years qualifies by default.

as for trump, he qualifies as the poster child for the dark triad...

[Aragorn]

as for trump, he qualifies as the poster child for the dark triad...

From the psychiatric point of view, I wouldn't be too sure of that. The dark triad encompasses psychopathy, narcissism and Machiavellianism. I don't think Trump would be intelligent enough to qualify as clinically Machiavellian. He does however possess the other two traits, yes.

[palooka's revenge]

From the psychiatric point of view, I wouldn't be too sure of that. The dark triad encompasses psychopathy, narcissism and Machiavellianism. I don't think Trump would be intelligent enough to qualify as clinically Machiavellian. He does however possess the other two traits, yes.

Maybe. Except, intelligence is not mutually exclusive to good-ness is it? It takes a twisted form of intelligence to manipulate others for the purpose of self gain (a primary trait of machiavellianism) and get by with it on an on-going basis.

I think he qualifies for all three. In spades!!

Worse, I see him as a denial spirit. In fact, he's a wizard. A walkin' talkin', manifestation in human form, version of the top dog. Thus, to play the denial game with this guy is a BIG MISTAKE!

[Dreamtimer]

I think Trump is/was intelligent to a certain degree. I think that over time his patterns of behavior have caught up with him. He has a lot of hubris now because he's gotten away with so much for so long. But he's not as sharp as he was and he's not the King of his organization anymore.

[palooka's revenge]

I think Trump is/was intelligent to a certain degree. I think that over time his patterns of behavior have caught up with him. He has a lot of hubris now because he's gotten away with so much for so long. But he's not as sharp as he was and he's not the King of his organization anymore.

oh, i agree. steele and his pals need to take the blind spots off 'n look for a new savior. the signs are plastered all over, this guy's a loose 'n very dangerous canon...

[Aragorn]

It takes a twisted form of intelligence to manipulate others for the purpose of self gain (a primary trait of machiavellianism) and get by with it on an on-going basis.

Well, I could be badly informed, but I don't see Trump really manipulating anyone. Yes, he is firing people from his staff and appointing his favorites and relatives into positions of power, but that's not Machiavellianism. Machiavellianism is far more subtle, far more refined, while "Trump" and "refinement" are two words that don't even belong in the same sentence.

Zbigniew Brzezinski was a true Machiavellian. So is George Soros. So was David Rockefeller. So are both of the Clintons — in fact, Hillary actually qualifies as a dark triad. Trust me on this — I have both the knowledge and ample experience with Machiavellians and dark triads. Donald Trump is a psychopathic narcissist and a nepotist, yes, but he's not a dark triad, because his brain lacks the finesse to come up with Machiavellian machinations.

Machiavellians are social engineers. Donald Trump is a caveman in an expensive suit, and his brain is located in his pelvis.

[palooka's revenge]

Well, I could be badly informed, but I don't see Trump really manipulating anyone. Yes, he is firing people from his staff and appointing his favorites and relatives into positions of power, but that's not Machiavellianism. Machiavellianism is far more subtle, far more refined, while "Trump" and "refinement" are two words that don't even belong in the same sentence.

Zbigniew Brzezinski was a true Machiavellian. So is George Soros. So was David Rockefeller. So are both of the Clintons — in fact, Hillary actually qualifies as a dark triad. Trust me on this — I have both the knowledge and ample experience with Machiavellians and dark triads. Donald Trump is a psychopathic narcissist and a nepotist, yes, but he's not a dark triad, because his brain lacks the finesse to come up with Machiavellian machinations.

Machiavellians are social engineers. Donald Trump is a caveman in an expensive suit, and his brain is located in his pelvis.

excellent points...

[Dreamtimer]

And he's been sitting on it too long...

[Dumpster Diver]

Well, I could be badly informed, but I don't see Trump really manipulating anyone. Yes, he is firing people from his staff and appointing his favorites and relatives into positions of power, but that's not Machiavellianism. Machiavellianism is far more subtle, far more refined, while "Trump" and "refinement" are two words that don't even belong in the same sentence.

Zbigniew Brzezinski was a true Machiavellian. So is George Soros. So was David Rockefeller. So are both of the Clintons — in fact, Hillary actually qualifies as a dark triad. Trust me on this — I have both the knowledge and ample experience with Machiavellians and dark triads. Donald Trump is a psychopathic narcissist and a nepotist, yes, but he's not a dark triad, because his brain lacks the finesse to come up with Machiavellian machinations.

Machiavellians are social engineers. Donald Trump is a caveman in an expensive suit, and his brain is located in his pelvis.

As a former Machiavellian, I have to agree UNLESS this is a very prolonged fake out designed to divert attention away from the covert war. But, having said this, even I am not really buying it. If turns out to be true, we need to create and award him a political Oscar.

[Aianawa]

Agree, I like his new masters work so far, am sorta proud of humanity, we mostly a good people, a loving people.

I think Trump is/was intelligent to a certain degree. I think that over time his patterns of behavior have caught up with him. He has a lot of hubris now because he's gotten away with so much for so long. But he's not as sharp as he was and he's not the King of his organization anymore.