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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Maybe that is the exact reason why. They've never been in the other guy's shoes, and many of them wouldn't even be able to go there if they tried.
    The modern day mantra.


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    "You get to infer intent (as a lawyer in a court case)."

    Don McGann has recently testified.


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    I am subscribed to Jimmy Dore. He reminds me of the kind of people I grew up with in The Bronx.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" -- Voltaire

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    Wow. Weisselberg is already going before the grand jury. This is some serious stuff.

    And McGann just testified in the Obstruction issue.

    The big fish are talking now.

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    "We're gonna take back our country and we're gonna take it back at a level that is very, very good."

    Said the one-term, twice impeached, soon to be indicted ex-President this past weekend.

    From whom? Fellow Americans?

    For whom?

    The more important question methinks.

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    Here is a little something for everybody, Aianawa:

    author: Hannah Arendt: "Totalitarianism, The Origins of Totalitarianism"

    "The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e. the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e. the standards of thought) no longer exist."

    My contribution to Postmodernism and cancel culture.
    “El revolucionario: te meteré la bota en el culo"

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    Trouble in paradise.


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZiGfmzTzX8

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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    Woo Hoo!
    I think the Joker has gone mad!
    “El revolucionario: te meteré la bota en el culo"

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    I heard yesterday that the man in the above video is at a lot of Trump rallies and says the same thing each time. I haven't looked into that myself. I feel like the sentiment is still there but waning. It's hard to keep people stoked with rage when things are going well or better.

    And they are. Covid is better. The economy is moving along. Jobs reports were very good. Summer is here and things are opening up. The rage machine is in full gear but it can only do so much.

    I certainly wish the desire for 'civil war' would wane. It would be good if pastors and preachers would stop demonizing the President and throwing around vast accusations of pedophilia.

    It's not really a good Sunday Sermon, imo.

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    The water for this dangerous movement took a long time to bring to a boil. It's not likely to simmer away any time soon just because another neoliberal establishment goon was jammed down their throats, as opposed to a couple of others, like Bernie or Tulsi, who would have fought for some real changes to actually benefit the average American, which truly may have cut this runaway train off at the pass. Those quick field interviews are quite the case study, and they're indicative of a lot more pent up rage at the system, but I and many others out there can do without commentary from the newly dubbed Middle Aged McCarthyites (formerly known as TYT), who are not much better in their own right at hyperbole and seeding division.
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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    That's a substantive comment, Fred.

    There's gotta be a solution beyond revo-civi-dissolution. These folks aren't dumb. They should know they cannot benefit from that effort.

    Why don't they see the benefit of a Tulsi/Bernie type? They've gotta know the difference between those two and real socialism.

    Why keep falling for the hype?

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    There's gotta be a solution beyond revo-civi-dissolution. These folks aren't dumb.
    At the risk of hurting any US Americans' nationalistic pride, I'm going to have to disagree here, Sister. These folks really are very, very dumb, courtesy of 200+ years of indoctrination with the idea that the USA would somehow be superior to the rest of the world ─ a world that it knows nothing about, exactly because of the stubbornly insular cultural narcissism that 90% of the US population is conditioned to abide by.

    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Why don't they see the benefit of a Tulsi/Bernie type?
    Because their indoctrination has conditioned them to respond with an unintelligible knee-jerk whenever they perceive something as even remotely different from consumerism/capitalism/corporatism.

    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    They've gotta know the difference between those two and real socialism.
    They don't. Americans on average have an incredibly insular world view, and they only perceive reality through the lens and filters of their indoctrination. If things were any different at all, then the USA would have already long adopted the metric system, like the rest of the planet has. But what's truly dangerous is that the USA is wielding its insular and narcissistic-parochial ignorance as a virtue, and is pushing its brainwashing with shallowness and stupidity onto the rest of the world.

    And by the way, even real socialism wouldn't be such a bad idea, but that will of course never fly, because no regime on the planet has ever truly been socialist ─ not even the USSR, North Vietnam, North Korea or the People's Republic of China. So that sure as hell isn't going to happen in the land of Uncle Sam.

    Cuba came close, but even that wasn't true socialism, because Castro was in essence still a dictator ─ you could even say that he was a benevolent one, if you can look past the brutality of the revolution itself and a couple of other questionable decisions the Castro regime made over the years. But at least Fidel was no megalomaniac (as Stalin was), and there was also no mass surveillance going on as what you see in in China ─ or for that matter, in the USA.

    It's either way all water under the bridge. As long as money exists, there will be corruption; if not financial, then at the very least moral, because everything now has a monetary value attached to it ─ even human life. And that's why there are no truly socialist regimes in the world: the corruption is everywhere.
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    And by the way, even real socialism wouldn't be such a bad idea, but that will of course never fly, because no regime on the planet has ever truly been socialist ─ not even the USSR, North Vietnam, North Korea or the People's Republic of China.
    When it comes to true socialism do you mean something like they had in Star Trek? I would be all for it.

    It's either way all water under the bridge. As long as money exists, there will be corruption; if not financial, then at the very least moral, because everything now has a monetary value attached to it ─ even human life. And that's why there are no truly socialist regimes in the world: the corruption is everywhere.
    Personally I think that the current economic system is a pyramid scheme and a scam, it can't go on for much longer. As Charles Eisenstein says, our money system creates scarcity. Just look at the likes of Jeff Bezos and his net worth, there is absolutely no sanity to that. Yet there is global hunger and homelessness? I think money alone tells a lot about the state of humanity. This species is not collectively advanced enough to be in a system which would benefit all, because there are always those greedy bastards who want to have more than others. They want to keep others as their servants and slaves. It is ego and arrogance, the lust for power and control.

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