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    Monsieur "Mn Y..." - The Corey Goode of 1969

    My thread title might be controversial, but we could insert many names into it instead of "Corey Goode." I use his name just because of the division of opinion about him that serves to point out the problem of trying to find common ground when it comes to all the people claiming to be contactees and whistleblowers. If we didn't have a real suspicion that there really are interactions between ETs and humans, then these people wouldn't be getting the amount of attention that they are. Of course many of us believe their stories could be true, because we believe in ETs and we believe in covert military programs and all these sorts of things. Many of us are also convinced that certain authorities would go to great lengths to muddy the waters and divert our curiosity towards a complicated mess of contradictory information that's hard to get anything valuable out of.

    So the problem that we all share is trying to figure out what is true and what is false. For those of us who have been around the mulberry bush long enough to see the "flavor of the month" whistleblowers giving so many different stories, we also share the problem of, "how can I be sure of what any of these people are saying?," or even, "what practical use is this information to me, anyway?" They all have different stories, different degrees of fame, and often clash with each other in one way or another. We all know that the actual details of their stories are often totally contradictory. Some of them might be right, and some of them might think they're right, but they certainly can't all be right. And I believe many of them are intentionally-planted red herrings, complete with media promotion.

    The actual contents of the story below seem to me more of a mix of elements from Billy Meier (totalitarian ET utopias) and David Wilcock (technology, forecasted catastrophes and failed predictions), though the specific details are different. The saying "the more things change, the more they stay the same" might be apropos. This is a story from a book published in 1969 called Livre du Mystérieux Inconnu, ie "Book of the Mysterious Unknown." It's about a man called "Monsieur Mn Y..." (an abbreviated, anonymous name) claiming to be an ET contactee, that will sound very familiar to those who have been following the various personalities of the modern "alternative community" over the years.

    See how much of the game sounds familiar to you.


    Monsieur “MN Y...” is the person who claimed to have visited the planet “Baavi” in the region of Alpha Centauri A and B, where he learned an “almost complete” grammar for a language called Baal or Baavian («baavienne»). A sample of the language (which is not shown) is said to have been sent by Charroux [the author of this book] to a linguist and professor at the Lycée Descartes in Algiers, Monsieur “T.” The professor is said to have been unfamiliar with the language or grammar but noted that it had “anomalies” suggesting that it had been written by a Frenchman (ie, that the grammar had been invented by a Frenchman, and not an extraterrestrial). Mr. “MN Y...” is said to have then responded that he had only tried to summarize what he had learned and that his knowledge was incomplete.

    This gentleman also predicted that ETs would “officially” reveal themselves within five years (remembering that this book was published in 1969 – meaning this man's prediction expired in 1974).

    MN Y...'s story is given in more detail as he presented it in person to Charroux. He claimed he was on the planet Baavi in Alpha Centauri for two months between 1940 and 1945, during the war years in France. He said he was taken on an essentially saucer-shaped craft that passed the “speed of gravity” and into “anti-time.”

    His description of the planet is reminiscent of elitist ideals in regards to population control and the concentration of populations into designated urban areas à la Agenda 21. Specifically, after individuals give genetic/reproductive samples at a certain age, they are sterilized to prevent births which are not officially sanctioned. The institution of marriage is non-existent, and people make love with each other freely for physical pleasure, a man perhaps having sex with several different women in a single day without any “particular feeling of affection of tenderness.” The inhabitants of “Baavi” are furthermore said to live in a single city while the rest of the planet is left in its natural state. There also appear to be no social classes, with “rare” exceptions.

    The Baals, according to this individual, are warning of an upcoming catastrophe on Earth and wish to save a remnant of the population in order to repopulate the Earth later. So here we add fear-mongering and an offer of ET salvation to the mix of authoritarian political and social ideas said to describe their society earlier.

    The anonymous gentleman ultimately staked his claim upon documents he had which explained how to achieve anti-gravity propulsion, which he suggested be submitted to experts for their opinions. Assuming that the results of this would have been different than the results of his supposed alien language after their submission to a linguist, it would not rule out the possibility that this individual was working as a disinformant for military and/or intelligence agencies with real access to such information.

    In the conclusion of the chapter on this man, we are forewarned again by Mr. Mn Y... of future catastrophes. This time a collapse of social order (which would no doubt be required to institute anything like the socialist absolutism which this supposed advanced extraterrestrial civilization is said to have themselves) and, significantly, a threat of artificial intelligence (in the form of computers dictating the direction of human society).


    What I take away from this story is that people falsely claiming to be contactees or whistleblowers of sorts is nothing new, and several of the same elements are still seen today. Some of these common elements that can be found in the messages of various alternative personalities today are:

    (1) describing "advanced" ET civilizations as having totalitarian governments that dictate who can live where and even who can have children and when (as if presenting us humans with something glorious to aspire to in the future),
    (2) fear-mongering of future cataclysms that will destroy or nearly destroy the human race,
    (3) presenting ET races as saviors who are here, not just to help humanity, but to free us from all personal responsibility to change our own society,
    (4) inserting technical details about advanced alien technology such as propulsion systems, that often seem like slightly more advanced versions of things we already use here on Earth,
    (4) changing or complicating the story when elements of it appear to be independently refuted, in order to "explain" the discrepancies, and
    (5) failed predictions -- something we haven't seen so much of recently, possibly because in the age of the Internet people are keeping better records of whose predictions aren't panning out.

    These elements, drawn from this "Mn Y..." story, remind me more specifically of Meier and Wilcock's information as it has been presented over the years, but we can strip these elements back even further to consider how other alleged contactees and whistleblowers line up:

    (1) how advanced ET civilizations are portrayed in terms of culture, society and politics;
    (2) whether the message is encouraging or discouraging personal responsibility to help create change in society;
    (3) what role ETs are said to be playing in relation to mankind, whether as oppressors, saviors, moral support, spiritual teachers, curious onlookers, etc.;
    (4) if the story is consistent or changes over time;
    (5) if there have been any failed predictions.

    To bring this thread back to Corey Goode, since I chose to use him as the example in the title, I know that Aianawa and URIKORN still follow and support his efforts, so maybe, if they feel like it, they can discuss how Corey's message compares to the above. Since Billy Meier most resembles this French case, and they both came to prominence in the 60s/70s, and both are from western Europe, I am tempted to lump "Mn Y..." and Billy Meier into one basket labelled "European disinformation agents from the 60s and 70s." It looks like they belonged to the same "club," so to speak, and were part of the same effort. Maybe that's too simplistic and maybe it's totally incorrect but it's what it looks like to me. I'm sure the same types of things are going on today, but the content and tactics seem to have changed since then.

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    You've already informed me further, Bsbray. Thank you.

    I never believed in totalitarian utopia. There's no utopia in being controlled. Where's the pride & merit in a decision made for you?

    I have to take all these whistleblowers as potential and possibility.

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    Bsbray, can you not wait till at least DW and CG are debunked, proved incorrect, etc ?.

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    I think what gets lost in the creation of these myths (or revealing of these "truths") is that they're the closest thing to "legitimately debunking" the common myth in our collective, for as long as I've been observing: That humans are the penultimate of creation.

    I don't think many realize how this is the prevailing thought that underlies most of our beliefs. The idea that in all of the reality bubble we co-habitate within, no matter what you believe, it is in relation to the "collective" idea that we are on the top some food chain...and we mystify anything "higher" or with more awareness of existing beyond our basic 3d senses.

    It's a cognitive dissonance...where even science/atheism allows for the belief in "infinity"....while most thoughts limits the ceiling of cosciousness to that which we currently scientifically test.

    This is why I believe real "disclosure" is so hard to come by...it's programmed out of our imagination that we may not be the center of the universe, and not even the Gods we've worshipped throughout history...if they actually existed in a literal sense as beings so as powerful/knowledgable about our reality as to be able to completely manipulate and even create it...that even in the grand scheme a "Yahweh" or "Allah" creating people or this solar or galaxy is still a speck in the grand fractal All That Is seems to be.

    That's why I see these guys as the "Jon Stewarts" of the "disclosure movement"...it seems like the underlying truth they want to reveal is empowering, and maybe they even believe it to be, but ultimately it is further fuel to fire of mockery that flames up at the idea there might be "intelligences" with the option to treat us the way we treat "lesser" animals....and maybe even in different ways than we can imagine.
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    As I've said in other posts, I welcome all "revealers" and/or "whistleblowers"

    Each has some amount of truth and "dis-truth" in their signals (I view all of this as a problem of signal theory) and it is up to me to sort out the ratio of signal to noise or "dis-truth" in each source. NOBODY is right all the time; everyone has some amount of "dis-truth" in their statements, either because they are mistaken, out-right lying, buying into a bad theory, etc.

    I think it is very possible that both DW and CG both think they are revealing "truths" and could each be fed "concoctions of facts" that have some high percentage of truth but has the ultimate "big lie" buried in all of it.

    In fact, the main "dis-truth" that may be coming out of all this could be: Disclosure is really not happening, but they are made to feel that it is and it is "just around the corner."

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    Each has some amount of truth and "dis-truth" in their signals (I view all of this as a problem of signal theory) and it is up to me to sort out the ratio of signal to noise or "dis-truth" in each source. NOBODY is right all the time; everyone has some amount of "dis-truth" in their statements, either because they are mistaken, out-right lying, buying into a bad theory, etc.
    I believe accepting this is what makes this more difficult.

    I believe it is intentional...to distort the importance of intention.

    As long as we keep telling ourselves it's our own fault the "true" nature of reality is not shown to us, we will continue to believe it is the "nature" of these forums or the internet or even human nature or universal truth that it is so difficult to "find truth"...all while we cognitively dissonately tell each other and ourselves stories of how "they" deceive us.

    In other words: we will continue to be used agaist ourselves, as long as we believe both lies-truths, that we create the noise and/or they create the noise

    I don't believe lies or confusion are the "true nature" of anything...that they are intentionally created, and as such require great energy to keep up. I think some of the bigger lies are starting to crumble, and we can help in the breaking down of the confusion by understanding the intent/mechanism (WHY and HOW) of the direction of energy toward disempowering thoughts/lies. If we can just get out of our addiction to trying to prove the WHAT.
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    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    I believe accepting this is what makes this more difficult.

    I believe it is intentional...to distort the importance of intention.

    As long as we keep telling ourselves it's our own fault the "true" nature of reality is not shown to us, we will continue to believe it is the "nature" of these forums or the internet or even human nature or universal truth that it is so difficult to "find truth"...all while we cognitively dissonately tell each other and ourselves stories of how "they" deceive us.

    In other words: we will continue to be used agaist ourselves, as long as we believe both lies-truths, that we create the noise and/or they create the noise

    I don't believe lies or confusion are the "true nature" of anything...that they are intentionally created, and as such require great energy to keep up. I think some of the bigger lies are starting to crumble, and we can help in the breaking down of the confusion by understanding the intent/mechanism (WHY and HOW) of the direction of energy toward disempowering thoughts/lies. If we can just get out of our addiction to trying to prove the WHAT.
    Well, I have a private set of beliefs. They are based on things I have observed myself and connected with "math logic" to extend to things I've not seen myself. It's a voyage of self discovery, and I welcome all other views for consideration. If I happen to help others by showing my views, great, otherwise it's all about my self discovery...my facts..my life. I'm not trying to convince/convert/etc anybody.

    I come here to learn new ways to look at things, and I present a few meager views in return.

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    My point is that some of these people WANT to convince people, that it's nice what you're doing for yourself, and will be nicer it project outward...but a lot of what we do here is talk about a "they"...which it seems at some times is important and sometimes not.

    My personal belief is that there are consciousnesses...external to me, quite adept at directing energy. It may be relevent here specifically, in the that the creation of the attention drawn to these stories is understandable and possibly even tracable.

    But for the belief that it's always just "people being people".

    I think intention is very important. The WHY. I find it incoprehensible how many people seem to push the idea of trying to understanding WHY is not important, to just "be". My belief is that nothing is more important. Especially if you desire to JUST BE.
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    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    My point is that some of these people WANT to convince people, that it's nice what you're doing for yourself, and will be nicer it project outward...but a lot of what we do here is talk about a "they"...which it seems at some times is important and sometimes not.

    My personal belief is that there are consciousnesses...external to me, quite adept at directing energy. It may be relevent here specifically, in the that the creation of the attention drawn to these stories is understandable and possibly even tracable.

    But for the belief that it's always just "people being people".

    I think intention is very important. The WHY. I find it incoprehensible how many people seem to push the idea of trying to understanding WHY is not important, to just "be". My belief is that nothing is more important. Especially if you desire to JUST BE.
    Well, I do quite agree with you here.

    In a disinformation campaign, looking for the import of a particular "movement" can be very important. Crowd the idea with a lot of "good" facts, but the main import is the lie to be sold.

    For example, DW & CG are all about disclosure and if it is a disinformation campaign, perhaps the disinformation is not happening but "let's use it to pump up the crazies" and then let them crash, or something else that is useful i.e. the disclosure is useful (to "them") in some fashion. This is still-forming idea on my part, BTW.

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    The only way to look at each case is case by case and only stick with the ones that have actual data to examine! Hard facts, not tales or stories of conspiracy with promise of something to come but actual data and information that can be acted on. Its a very simple process if you are truly open minded. Many that claim to be open minded are in fact closed minded and have already made up their mind. These are not researchers but believers. A researcher follows real data, real facts that you can get your hands on, pictures of real depressions, real craft, real damage to property or foot prints or whatever. This is real stuff. Story telling is not I see no reason at all to let someone with stories mix with someone with data, they have no business together its like mixing apples and oranges. I do not see any hard data with Corey or David. In all seriousness I am surprised at the lack of insight into what is going on here. The best way to eliminate a problem, a real problem is to first divide it from within, and that is what I believe Corey is up to knowingly or not! I have heard promise after promise after promise and circumstantial stories of supposed documents but where is the real data? Nothing of substance exists in my opinion with Corey. Even when Corey said his home was invaded did he provide any real proof? Not at all. It would have been real easy to show some pictures of the damage or anything else in the way of documents. I don't know why guys still follow this guy.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    Bsbray, can you not wait till at least DW and CG are debunked, proved incorrect, etc ?.
    David Wilcock has already made failed predictions, so even if I was interested in waiting, I wouldn't have to in his case. I've told you about my personal interactions with Corey on this forum before too, if you remember about that, so I'm satisfied that I've personally seen how he operates as well. Maybe it was a blessing in disguise, because otherwise I might still be wondering if he is really capable of making things up.

    But even aside from that, we deal with things all the time that can't prove or disprove. A lot of the study of history is like that, differences of perspective and that sort of thing.



    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    I believe accepting this is what makes this more difficult.

    I believe it is intentional...to distort the importance of intention.
    Of course it makes things more difficult, and of course it's intentional. That's the point in counter-intelligence, to confuse the target audience so that they don't have good information to start making decisions. But it's already been done and we have to work with the situation as it exists. I think this is actually a great opportunity, because blindly taking what anyone says at face value is not a wise thing anyway, let alone when so many people say so many different things. So all of the dis- and misinformation gives us a great opportunity to start thinking for ourselves.

    I think some of the bigger lies are starting to crumble, and we can help in the breaking down of the confusion by understanding the intent/mechanism (WHY and HOW) of the direction of energy toward disempowering thoughts/lies. If we can just get out of our addiction to trying to prove the WHAT.
    Yes, disempowering the masses is the name of the game. I think the "why" and "how" in this case are chained to the "what" too, though.

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    Except for what some call universal laws, our future is not set in stone, we can interpret the highest potentials based in the present plus knowing. Good and classic EG is, was 21 12 2012.

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    I didn't think anything special was going to happen on Dec. 21, 2012, so I don't think that example applies to me. I know a lot of other people thought something profound was going to happen, but that doesn't mean anything had a high probability of actually happening. Though I agree that the future is not set in stone.

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    I think every "forecaster" in this "field" has failed in their predictions at some point. If anyone knows of anybody who is 100% accurate, I'd like to know about it.

    Matter of fact, I think a lot of these guys are "set up" and then shown to be "fallible" ... then they lose credence with some. Most of the laymen see one "error" then they discredit everything that person says. I see it as a well-oiled disinfo campaign at work. The Charles interview with BR gives some insight to this. There are some very, very, very smart "actors" involved.

    Bottom line: I see all of these guys having some value: signal buried in noise, as I've said before.

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    Does anybody remember the Zeta Talk website? They were making predictions about things like Planet X/Nibiru appearing in the sky about 10 years ago or so. They'd make one prediction, and it wouldn't happen, so they gave an explanation and made another. And it wouldn't happen either. So they make another excuse for why nothing happened, and then make another prediction. It was kind of like this "Galactic Federation" thing that happened more recently. Two surprising things here: that they don't learn to stop making predictions and embarrassing themselves when they are obviously doing it wrong, and the other surprising thing is that people kept following it and taking it seriously anyway.

    Yes, DD, even if someone has information wrong, or is even blatantly lying, it doesn't mean everything they say is false. I know what you're interested in doing amounts to cross-referencing what all of these kinds of people are saying between each other. Traditional research that historians do also involves cross-referencing primary sources, among other things. That's how I try to approach the problem. I just don't use statistics.

    Also, I don't know if you've checked out the thread about the "survivors" videos yet, but it's largely based on the work of a Russian mathematician named Fomenko, who uses satistics to analyze history. I want to really start digging into his research when I have more time, and anyone who's good with statistics would be a lot of help looking through his work.

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