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    Our modern minds have been altered and traditional storytelling, like the Bock Saga speak to a more nuanced and creative mind. These stories are not for fact gathering and analysis, as we have been conditioned to process ideas in an imbalanced fashion. They must be approached with a wholistic mindset. If approached holistically, there will be holes. We must also re-insert ourselves into a more natural world to appreciate what is being conveyed to us.
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    Bock Saga - Ring Land (by Jim Chesnar)

    The ringland where it all began. I’ll let Jim tell the story here. Very interesting stuff all the same.


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    Oh goody. Another one to watch. His delivery is special and enjoyable for me.
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    Bock Saga - Root Language (by Jim Chesnar)

    The rot language and what the alphabet was all about. The alphabet told a story, and this interesting by itself. I understand the rot language, and so I understand what he’s talking about. We have to get used to the rot language here.

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    Thanks for more Bock goodness, Elen.
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    From October 20, 2015

    In this episode of the Gnostic Warrior Radio Show and Podcast master traveler, researcher, and expert story teller Jim Chesnar shares with us the story of the beginning of the human race, and the various root races in the world today. The end of Ice Age broke this isolation and became a "new start" of humanity – since all the various populations could now be reached – and reach each other. Regaining contact with the various tropical kingdoms the Aser were instrumental in spreading a "root-system" of words, to develop a common ground for communication and exchange between the various cultures.
    Jim also discusses the concepts of heaven and hell, and he says that hell was an actual place now known as Helsinki that was demonized later by the Church. Let's just say that it is as cold as hell there.http://gnosticwarrior.com/jim-chesnar-3.html
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    Here is the podcast below,





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    Published on Nov 15, 2015
    In July, 2015 a group of people led by Jim Chesnar came to Finland. There they made a big trip to places connected with Bock Saga.

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    Thank you for the link, Maggie. I just listened to the interview and it’s good to see that Jim is still at it. I am glad that the Saga continues to this day. People have a hard time making sense of all of this, but if you dare to look it will be rewarding. I especially loved Ior’s dream.

    Elen

    By the way, I couldn't get the video up either, somebody sent me a link earlier.
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    Bock Saga - Welcome to Hell (Movie)

    Hi all,
    I just managed to get it. I had to upgrade the flashplayer and now it worked. I haven't seen it yet, so I cannot comment on it. Just enjoy Jim's journey to Finland.


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    Just saying thank you Reno for sending me the link.
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    Always Elen , I love Bock saga !!

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    Maggie, your avatar picture is fantastic. What is the plant?

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    Quote Originally posted by Elen View Post
    I really don’t know how to conclude this yet, Maggie. So far I don’t think conclusions are wise because we haven’t remembered everything yet. If you put it all into a present setting, it would really make for chaos; we’re not there yet. The thing is we are looking for clues here at this stage. I’m not doing this for quick fixes, but I do feel that we have a chance to make sense of it all now. If we have less fear of men and more belief (knowledge) of ourselves, it won’t even be an issue.

    I do love the fact that you’re brave enough to look into it though, besides bsbray, Modwiz and a few others. As a matter of fact lots and lots of visitors are. So, thank you visitors for looking into these things, I can feel that you are there sometimes.

    Elen
    Hello Elen,

    It's been one of those days today, and British Telecom have only been letting me on the sites I didn't really want, lol, but I got registered eventually (thanks to The One for bearing with me) as I really wanted to thank you very much for leading me to the newearth youtube films and to the Bock Saga, which I am finding so very profound and which are 'ringing bells' for me. You know those times when everything ties up and makes more sense? With Finland, LoTR and true history coming together I could not resist! I've been drawn to Finland and LoTR for as long as I can remember. So, thank you for finding 'keys' for me.

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    Thanks for posting about the Bock Saga, Elen, I'd never heard of it and found this interesting.
    Re Lord of the Rings, and thinking about 'circles of life' spreading out from the Pole Star on Earth, or from Yggdrasil, the World Tree, in Tolkien's Midgard/Middle Earth 'myth', by the time of Lord of the Rings, all the rings (circles of life) had fallen into shadow, apart from three - around two of those 'rings' two small pools of paradise remained (Lothlorien and Rivendell) on Earth.
    You may know Tolkien based his High Elven language Quenya on Finnish, and was well acquainted with the Scandinavian Eddas and Sagas - echoes of the Volsunga Saga and the Nibelunglied (the basis of Wagner's Ring Cycle) in particular can be seen in his 'world history', The Silmarillion. Elements of the Bock Saga, and the root language, I also feel are related...

    Tolkien called the Elves 'Eldar', and in Elvish, 'El' means 'star' and 'dar' means 'people'...so he was saying the Elves were 'star people', literally. Your name, Elen, in Elvish, is 'star' and 'en' or 'wen' is a feminine name ending ie: 'Star lady'.

    Here's an example of spoken Quenya - Galadriel's Farewell:

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahEJ20RwpD4


    And if you're keen, this site Ardalambion (Earth Tongues) is run by a very dedicated Norwegian.

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    The Lord of the Rings or the Bock Saga

    Shire Dweller, it is so nice to hear from you, I knew you were there amongst the visitors. I bid you welcome here, and this is your first post! Sits with me just fine. I think we should make this into a study of our past history. You would be a Hobbit, I suppose? Hobbits are most welcome here. I really know when things are making a lot of sense, dear Hobbit.

    And thank you Joanna for your take on Tolkien. I will look up more of the stuff on the link. Tolkien really made an effort to give us our history back to us, and I appreciate it very much. We can figure this out together, not anybody alone can do it. We are in this together. Joanna, it’s very interesting with the Quenya language, it sounds very much like the Van language, i.e. Finnish as they speak it today, which was the outer ring. The very core of things was the Root language, the one that I understand. It is very interesting, indeed.

    I appreciate your take on my name. It’s a Welsh name, meaning Light. It is my real name in this life.
    Whatever is true. Whatever is noble. Whatever is right. Whatever is lovely. Whatever is admirable. Anything of excellence and worthy of praise. Dwell on these things. Jesus Christ (I agree)

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    It is amusing to see the name Shire-dweller because I have referred to ToT as The Shire for a long time now, owing to its sleepy nature and certain other similarities in my mind.
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