When the Atlantis survivors wake up

**Elen** · 14th November 2015, 17:58

Thank you bsbray, this was hard to follow, but really worth listening to for the whole ride. My goodness, he did really follow the chronology of every move that was made.

Elen

**gord** · 15th November 2015, 00:28

Originally posted by bsbray

This stuff gets pretty deep pretty quick, because Jesus is basically a relatively modern representation of sun god deities of many ancient religions. In the case of the Gauls of France, they taught in the pre-Christian era that the Sun (representing their primary deity) sometimes incarnated on the Earth in human form, and this form was referred to as Hésus. The words Zeus, Deus ("God" in Latin bibles, from which modern words such as dieu/dios/etc. derive), and Jupiter (Indo-European dyaus-pitr, Hindu Dyaus-Pita, meaning "sky father" -- with pita or pitr being related to the Latin pater) also come from a common root related to all of this.

Yeah, I read about all of this about 25 years ago.

Originally posted by bsbray

This video describes how Fomenko first came to his ideas about the traditional chronology being totally screwed up:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQMplPvA7k

This video pretty much frenched my brain, and convinced me to look a little further into all of it, instead of just shrugging it off. Thanks for that and the other links.

**Elen** · 15th November 2015, 09:39

Hi gord
I don’t know whether you saw this video. She is showing 1000 fabricated years, Isaac Newton and other supporters of the true history.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kT924EpkHc

And she suggested we look up this link for proof. I know it’s in Russian, but the numbering system is Arabic and Roman, so they are easy to follow. Just scroll down on the page and you can see what is meant.

http://go212.narod.ru/index/0-15

Here is the list of people sceptical of the new cronology, as well.

http://www.ilya.it/chrono/enpages/weristwer.html#N
Elen

**bsbray** · 15th November 2015, 18:47

Also, we're going to be interviewing the woman who does all of these survivors videos in the next couple of weeks or so, so if you come up with any questions you'd like addressed don't hesitate to post them here: http://jandeane81.com/threads/8187-M...w-Earth-Videos

**Elen** · 18th November 2015, 11:39

This new is from the NewEarth website. Where she would like help from us:

For anybody who happens to reside near certain historic sites or have friends in the area we would greatly welcome information from those with the opportunity to visit said locales firsthand and share their findings, in the form of field reports, photographs, or in video form. See link for more…

Remote Viewing, Dowsing, Lucid dreams & Channeling (under blind conditions):
We are actively seeking individuals who practice or learn the art of remote viewing, from absolute beginners to seasoned professionals, channelers and those who can access the so-called Akashic records who have an interest in participating in experiments along the lines of those published by the Farsight Institute; ideally we would like to have few dozens of participants viewing a given target under blind conditions (means given a code of the target only and not knowing what is it exactly to avoid contaminating the data with preconceived ideas about the site, person or even that is being viewed ). If 20 out of 50 people see a similar story under blind conditions then this story must have some truth to it. We could view multiple targets every month if we could find a team of remote views, the final results of which would be shared for free. Ideally information obtained through such projects could eventually lead to possible archaeological surveys and digs at hitherto unknown sites around the globe. If you have interest in participating in projects along these lines please do not hesitate to contact us at survivors@public-files.de and we will be sure to include you in such endeavours.

Link here: http://megaliths.org/getinvolved-in-...-research.html

Elen

**Novusod** · 18th November 2015, 22:24

Originally posted by Elen

This new is from the NewEarth website. Where she would like help from us:

For anybody who happens to reside near certain historic sites or have friends in the area we would greatly welcome information from those with the opportunity to visit said locales firsthand and share their findings, in the form of field reports, photographs, or in video form. See link for more…

Remote Viewing, Dowsing, Lucid dreams & Channeling (under blind conditions):

Elen

I have been sending her e-mails for a couple of weeks now about remote viewing and the hidden monuments of New York and Washington Monument.

Some examples of things I sent her: Roman style Aqueduct in New York City

**Aianawa** · 18th November 2015, 22:31

Just Dang, love this.

Am flicking through old NY paintings of mansions etc, some feel out of place, this sorta stuff gets me excited. ta.

**Novusod** · 19th November 2015, 00:57

Originally posted by Aianawa

Just Dang, love this.

Am flicking through old NY paintings of mansions etc, some feel out of place, this sorta stuff gets me excited. ta.

New York is incredible city. It is not just a bunch of skyscrapers. It is built on some old ruins of a lost civilization.

Old statues and columns thrown in the dump. Some where thrown in the sea.

Little Atlantis neighborhood:

**Frances** · 19th November 2015, 01:45

Source :- http://www.floridatoday.com/story/ne...-old/24605553/

Link to the full article and story, floridatoday.com

Mysterious Florida sculptures may be 1,000 years old

For nearly a decade, the mysterious stone women lay quietly in a bed of fallen leaves behind the Museum of the Apopkans.

They were not from here, it was clear. They did not belong here, it was clearer.

Unearthed in 2005 by a work crew digging up a broken water pipe on the grounds of the Highland Manor banquet and wedding venue, three of the unusual figures depict busty, topless women , some say Indonesian goddesses adorned with jewelry and headdresses but toting earthen pots. Each weighs several hundred pounds.

A fourth is a large stone head.

"Maybe they're some kind of glorified lawn art," said Apopka Mayor Joe Kilsheimer, citing one of the many casual explanations for the carvings.

Perhaps they are junk, perhaps they are art, thought Annie Belle Gilliam, the 93-year-old curator of the museum, a nonprofit repository for Apopka history. The carvings had been in her care ever since workers on the city crew dumped them in the museum's backyard because they didn't know where else to take them.

No one claimed or could explain them. They were mostly ignored.
Frances

**Novusod** · 19th November 2015, 04:58

Originally posted by Frances

Source :- http://www.floridatoday.com/story/ne...-old/24605553/

Link to the full article and story, floridatoday.com

Mysterious Florida sculptures may be 1,000 years old

For nearly a decade, the mysterious stone women lay quietly in a bed of fallen leaves behind the Museum of the Apopkans.

They were not from here, it was clear. They did not belong here, it was clearer.

Unearthed in 2005 by a work crew digging up a broken water pipe on the grounds of the Highland Manor banquet and wedding venue, three of the unusual figures depict busty, topless women , some say Indonesian goddesses adorned with jewelry and headdresses but toting earthen pots. Each weighs several hundred pounds.

A fourth is a large stone head.

"Maybe they're some kind of glorified lawn art," said Apopka Mayor Joe Kilsheimer, citing one of the many casual explanations for the carvings.

Perhaps they are junk, perhaps they are art, thought Annie Belle Gilliam, the 93-year-old curator of the museum, a nonprofit repository for Apopka history. The carvings had been in her care ever since workers on the city crew dumped them in the museum's backyard because they didn't know where else to take them.

No one claimed or could explain them. They were mostly ignored.
Frances

Nice job point out that mystery:

here are a few more articles on the Florida Apopka sculptures:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...227-story.html
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...307-story.html

Article says they are made of volcanic rock not native to Florida.

**Elen** · 19th November 2015, 07:11

Great job my friends. This is very exiting. Novusod, I said you’re a bonus to this thread, and you know…I MEANT IT. Frances, trust you to come up with another mystery. I love it! I’ll notify Sylvie about this.

If some of the visitors think they also have seen something that should be mentioned, please don’t be shy. Sign up and post pictures or stories. This is for all of us; let’s help each other remember our history.

**Frances** · 19th November 2015, 18:55

Ancient Symbol The Hamsa found in Moundville Alabama & Winterville Mounds Mississipi U.S.A.

Source :- M.K. Davis.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0Cy2vkXDfo

Short video 9:35. Published Jan 28th 2013.

Although the hamsa hand has been symbolic in Islam and Judaism for centuries, archeological digs in the Middle East provide evidence that the hamsa pre-dates these religions and originated with the Phoenicians and was used as a protective symbol for an ancient Middle Eastern goddess. The hamsa hand has always been associated with a female entity offering protection from evil and misfortune.

Hamsa Hand Symbology
The word “hamsa” or “hamesh” means five. There are five digits on the hamsa hand, but the number five has additional symbolic meaning in the Jewish and Islamic traditions. Five (hamesh in Hebrew) represents the five books of the Torah for Jews. It also symbolizes the fifth letter of the Hebrew alphabet, "Heh", which represents one of God’s holy names. It symbolizes the Five Pillars of Islam for Sunnis, and the Five People of the Cloak for Shi'ites.

In the Jewish religion, the Jewish hamsa hand also symbolizes the Hand of God. Many Jews believe the hamsa pendant symbolizes the Hand of Miriam, the sister of Moses and Aaron. In the Islamic faith, the hamsa hand symbolizes The Hand of Fatima, daughter of the Prophet Mohammed.
Many Jews believe that the five fingers of the hamsa hand remind its wearer to use their five senses to praise God. Hamsa hands often contain an eye symbol, which is a powerful talisman against the evil eye.

Source:- http://www.lebtahor.com/Archaeology/...nscription.htm

A further development of Tanit involved the open hand of blessing, which was also protective. This is evidenced by the following stelae from Carthage. This hand symbol continues and becomes more dominant, especially in Judaism and Islam.

Within Judaism, the protective, blessing hand is called a Hamesh. Within Islam, it is called the Hand of Fatima, Hamsa / khamsa / chamsa , which is Arabic for five – the fingers and thumb. These amulets are rampant within Judaism and Islam. “A frequent occurrence is a hand inscribed on the paper parchment amulets. Silver amulets made in the form of hands are common and are usually North African in origin and the hand is supposed to ward off the ‘evil eye.’ It is considered by some to be the hand of Fatima, who was Muhammad’s daughter, but hands have appeared on North African amulets since the times of the Carthaginians and these people antedate the Muslim tradition by more than a thousand years. The tradition of using hands on amulets still persists strongly in Morocco, Tunis, and Algeria, as well as throughout the Muslim world.

So with this history, you have to ask the question, what are these symbols doing in a Native American Burial Mound?
Frances.

**bsbray** · 19th November 2015, 21:04

Along the lines of the post above, there were thousands of artifacts dug up in Michigan which appear to be some form of Judaism, thought by some to be some form of dualistic Coptic Judaism from Egypt, with weird UFO-like eye symbols, but also styles of dress that do look Native American:

Tower of Babel?:

http://chadstuemke.com/michigan-relics/

In fact all of the above looks like a combination of artifacts from different cultures, with the depiction of what looks like Jesus being crucified while Roman soldiers look on, what look like Native Americans in another tablet, and a writing that looks like some kind of mixture between Hebrew and Sumerian cuneiform. The link above also shows a copper axe.

This wouldn't be the only find like this in North America. There was also a find in a cave somewhere along the Mississippi or Ohio River, that I have notes about in a file on another computer. There were artifacts there from a number of ancient cultures, as if it were a horde of ancient pirate treasure, and there were also maps found there carved onto stone that fit with the courses of the Mississippi and its tributaries, all the way up to the Great Lakes, which were (historically accurately) depicted as one body of water, as they were about 2000 years ago or so.

If there was a lot of naval travel to North America in the ancient past then it wouldn't be unreasonable to assume that there might also be piracy and ships of different nationalities boarding each other and taking each others' loot. But the tablets in Michigan shown above look more to me like someone relocated an entire ancient library.

Other links:

http://mathisencorollary.blogspot.co...n-tablets.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_relics

These things are just a curiosity at the moment, but I get the feeling that when they are better understood, they will shed a lot of light on ancient history. I'd love to see these in a museum.