Historical Investigation Thread - Chronology

[bsbray]

I'm going to start this thread with a table of dates compiled from the first volume of personal notes I've organized. I'll then be posting summaries of what the chronology shown here implies in different periods, and I'd like others to contribute what they know to help move things along. My overly-ambitious goal is to eventually create a world historical narrative that is as objective as possible and that incorporates as much information as possible, including (and especially) things that are only becoming apparent to us today about our ancient past.

All dates can be considered approximate, but some are more approximate than others. Obviously modern dates will be more accurate, and the more remote dates become more and more questionable. Ranges of dates are sorted either by their earliest date or else the middle point between the two extremes of the range, depending on the type of event.

Dates that are not otherwise attributed are mostly from conventional dating techniques, such as carbon dating or dates figured out from ancient historical sources. These are also subject to error, and in some cases (especially in Egyptology) are apparently even mathematically manipulated by scholars in order to fit pre-conceived historical models. This seems to have become an accepted practice since around the 1950's when carbon dating historical artifacts first became possible, but was not conforming to already-established dating of ancient artifacts. Instead of realizing that historians had gotten things wrong, the carbon dating data was just discarded or changed. Areas outside of the influence of Egyptology apparently have not had this problem to the same extent.

430,000 BC	Possible first arrival of Anunnaki on Earth according to Tellinger.
220,000 BC	A coin found in Illinois was in a soil strata corresponding to this extremely remote date, according to Josh Reeves.
100,000 BC	Date of stone tools found in Iran.
100,000 BC	Structures on Cydonia, Mars, built prior to this time, according to Bashar.
50,000 BC	First stage of the sinking of Mu according to Dr. George Schwimmer.
41,000 BC	Iron mine in Lesothe.
38,000 - 31,000 BC	Dating of burial vaults found about 200 kilometers northeast of Moscow in 1964.
28,000 BC	Dating of flint tools found in French caves.
26,000 BC	“Atl” (Atlantis) is said to have existed with 1.1 billion inhabitants, to varying degrees of civilization, according to A Dweller on Two Planets.
24,000 BC	Earth was placed under a “quarantine” according to Robert Potter.
24,000 BC	Second stage of the sinking of Mu according to Dr. Schwimmer.
23,000 BC	Dating of mines in Swaziland and Zambia.
14,000 BC	Magdalenian culture is active in southern Iraq.
13,660 BC	Date of ancient cataclysm as inferred from the Dendera Zodiac according to Carmen Boulter.
17,000 - 10,000	Earliest known swastikas.
13,000 BC	An underwater mountain in the North Atlantic was above water at this time, according to Maria Klionova.
13,000 BC	Date of “Native American” site with “wampums” found in Siberia.
13,000 - 8,000 BC	Dating given for petroglyphs at Pyramid Lake in Nevada, according to the Journal of Archaeological Science.
12,000 BC	Possible date of the Ba'albek quarry site.
12,000 - 10,000 BC	Common alternative dating of the Sphinx in Egypt.
11,500 BC	Type-B blood is believed to have appeared for the first time, and is still most concentrated in the regions of Turkey and Mesopotamia.
11,160 BC	The Atlantis narrative of A Dweller on Two Planets takes place, according to its author.
11,000 BC	First suspected period of interaction of ETs with humans, during the Atlantean period, according to Charroux.
10,500 BC	Approximate date of a burst of radioactive energy in the Great Lakes region and other areas of North America, assumed to have been caused by a supernova event, according to Firestone & Topping paper.
10,500 BC	Construction of Angkor Wat according to Bashar.
10,500 BC	Last time that the Azores Plateau was above water.
10,000 BC	Meteor impact studies indicate an ancient catastrophe in this time period.
10,000 BC	Date of human remains with Caucasian features found in California.
10,000 BC	A network of ancient villages across Europe align with solstices and equinoxes belonging to around this time, according to Philip Coppens.
10,000 – 9,000 BC	Massive flood event attested to by evidence within the ancient wall at Rockwall, Texas, according to Josh Reeves.
10,000 BC	Most recent habitation of Lovelock Cave based on decoy duck artifacts found there and the last time that bodies of water were in the area.
10,000 BC	Most recent date of object on the bottom of the Baltic Sea based the fact that it was above sea level when put into place, had fire built on top of it.
10,000 BC	Dating of Göbekli Tepe.
10,000 BC	The Grand Canyon is formed during a massive cataclysm around this time, according to A Dweller on Two Planets.
10,000 BC	American Southwest is wetter, has an inland sea and more lakes, according to A Dweller on Two Planets.
10,000 BC	Third stage of the sinking of Mu (with Atlantis) according to Dr. Schwimmer.
9841 BC	Aryans may have first arrived near Lucknow, India, according to Charroux's interpretation of dates given in the Ramayana and Mahabharata.
9703 BC	Year settled upon by Danish scientists in 2008 for catastrophic meteor impacts.
9800 – 9600 BC	Estimated date of the sinking of Atlantis based on Plato's accounts.
9500 BC	Last “geo-physical change” in a repeating cycle, according to “Anglo-Saxon Mission” whistleblower of Project Camelot.
10,000 – 8,000 BC	Origin of the Nile civilization according to Marcelle Weissen-Szumlanska and Prof. Malaise.
9000 BC	The approximate date of the global deluge according to Charroux.
9000 BC	Moon is placed into orbit, according to Bashar.
9000 BC	Date attributed to structures on the Three Tetons mountains by Prof. Hayden according to A Dweller on Two Planets.
12,000 – 5,000 BC	Estimated time frame of the pyramid at Shaanxi, China.
8000 BC	Dating of Abydos, Egypt, according to Charroux.
8000 BC	Mayans may have arrived or tried to settle on the east coast of North America, before being forced to leave by some disaster, according to Charroux.
8000 BC	Second suspected period of ET interaction with humans, after the global cataclysm, according to Charroux.
7000 BC	Dating of Hacilar and Çatalhöyük in Anatolia.
7000 BC	Dating of the temple at Memphis according to Soto Halle.
7000 BC	Migrations of white tribes out of Iran according to Charroux.
10,000 – 4000 BC	Sites marking solstices, equinoxes and Orion's Belt and/or Sirius appear in what is now arid Egyptian desert.
6500 BC	Earliest known habitation on the Isle of Man.
6240 BC	Ancestors of the Egyptians came from the Atlantic, according to Father Pierre Perroud.
6200 BC	Doggerland, the land connecting the British Isles to mainland Europe and Scandinavia, submerges from rising sea levels.
6100 BC	Last of the catastrophic Storegga Slide incidents off the coast of Norway, according to carbon dating.
6000 BC	Dating of the ruins in the Karakum Desert, Turkmenistan.
6000 BC	Date of hardened lava flow on top of a monument at Xitle, Mexico, placing the monument's creation before this time.
6000 BC	Dating of a flute found in Paracas, Peru.
5000 BC	Teotihuacan is first inhabited according to Joseph Michels of the University of Pennsylvania.
7000 – 2000 BC	Habitation of the small ancient town of Karanovo in Bulgaria.
4245 BC	Egyptians used a very accurate calendar based on the rising of Sirius.
4000 BC	Approximate beginning of the astrological Age of Taurus.
4500 – 3300 BC	Conventional dating of Carnac in France.
3800 BC	Oldest known settlement at Eridu in Sumeria.
3500 BC	Mars suffers major catastrophe according to Basiago.
3400 BC	Date of mound-builders from the Yucatan according to Edgar Cayce.
3000 BC	Approximate time at which Venus appears in the sky, according to Charroux.
3000 BC	The Mexican countryside is already covered with artificial mounds, according to Charroux.
3000 BC	Dating of a stone pyramid in Burgundy that emits radiation via a natural chemical process.
3000 BC	Third suspected period of ET interaction with humans, this time from or relating to an event with Venus, according to Charroux.
3000 BC	Earliest evidence of settlements at the mouth of the Guayas River in Ecuador according to Bruce Scofield, Ph.D, with evidence of trade with Asia and Babylon.
3000 BC	Dating of an astronomical observatory found in Armenia, which marked the rise of Sirius in 2800 BC.
3000 – 2800 BC	Date given by Bruce Masse of Los Alamos for the creation of Burcle Crater off the coast of Madagascar, 18 miles in diameter.
2807 BC	Dating of a Chinese flood myth during the reign of empress Nu Wa.
4000 – 1500 BC	Time frame of an “archon invasion” described by the Gnostics, according to Jay Weidner.
2670 BC	Conventional date of Djoser's reign in Egypt, said to have been among the last to retain ancient wisdom.
2600 BC	Sumerian cuneiform is no longer used in the area in which it originated, according to Sitchin.
2600 – 2500 BC	Founding of Assur, capital of ancient Assyria.
3650 – 1450 BC	Period of Minoan civilization on Crete according to modern dating.
3000 – 2000 BC	Founding of Luxor, Karnak and Medinet, according to Charroux.
3000 – 2000 BC	Earliest known habitation of the Isle of Delos.
3500 – 1500 BC	Time frame for the erection of a menhir-like stone by the Great Serpent Mound, beside the 4-mile impact crater created at an earlier date.
3000 – 2000 BC	Estimated date of the creation of an impact crater 4 miles in diameter in Ohio.
3000 – 2000 BC	Activity at the Amorite capital of Mari, near the modern-day Syrian border on the Euphrates.
2354 BC	Dendrochronological (tree ring) work of Prof. Michael Baillie of Queen's University of Belfast indicates catastrophic event affecting tree growth.
2309 BC	Ancient Chinese account of a flight to the Moon on a “celestial bird.”
2200 BC	Giants inhabited North America and the Middle East and were responsible for the Greak Lakes copper mines, according to Fritz Zimmerman.
2700 – 1450 BC	Time frame of Minoan coin found in Ohio.
2700 – 1400 BC	Period of Minoan civilization on Crete according to Sitchin.
2000 BC	Unknown civilization was making pottery in the Jordan Valley.
2000 BC	Egypt is of very limited power, according to Charroux. [This observation may be an artifact of the fraudulent chronologies of ancient Egypt.]
3000 – 1000 BC	Estimated dating of mooring stones off the coast of Florida which may have been used in connection with mining operations in the Great Lakes region.
2000 BC	Beginning of Indo-European migrations out of the Caucasus region according to conventional dating.
2000 BC	Ishbi-Irra, an Amorite, re-establishes Sumerian kingship at Larsa after Elamites take Ur.
2000 BC	Enki's son Marduk becomes the chief deity of the Babylonians.
1900 BC	Amorites establish first Assyrian dynasty.
1900 – 1500 BC	Apparent end of the Indus Valley civilization.
1700 BC	Hebrew dating of Moses according to Alan Wilson.
1628 BC	The Greek island of Thera is destroyed by a volcanic blast.
1628 BC	Dendrochronological (tree ring) work of Prof. Michael Baillie of Queen's University of Belfast indicates catastrophic event affecting tree growth.
1550 BC	Dating of three ships found on the coast of Britain at Humber.
1500 BC	Destruction of the island of Thesa according to conventional dating.
1500 BC	Velikovsky's approximate date of Venus passing through the Solar System as a massive comet.
1500 BC	The Mahabharata is written and/or recopied from older texts.
1500 BC	Destruction of the Hittite civilization, whose people may have then dispersed in all directions.
1500 BC	Albyne arrives in Britain from Syria, according to Alan Wilson.
1500 BC	Aryans arrived in India, according to conventional dating.
1450 BC	Approximate date of a UFO sighting by Thutmose III of Egypt (by conventional dating of his reign).
1350 BC	Akhenaten is pharoah in Egypt according to conventional (fraudulent) dating.
1300 BC	Oldest historical trace of the Hebrew tribe according to Charroux.
1250 BC	Conventional (fraudulent) dating of the Trojan War, which had previously been considered a myth.
1200 BC	Date after which Mycenean script or any other writing no longer appears in Greece, until end of “Dark Age,” according to traditional dating, as explained by Bowra.
1200 BC	Hurrians/Horites have moved northeast and established the new kingdom of Urartu.
1159 BC	Dendrochronological (tree ring) work of Prof. Michael Baillie of Queen's University of Belfast indicates catastrophic event affecting tree growth.
1100 – 700 BC	The same dating rationale that results in the “Greek Dark Age” also suggests that Troy was deserted and inactive during these 400 years by the archaeological record.
1100 – 800 BC	Conventional dating for the so-called “Greek Dark Age.”
1000 – 0 BC	Approximate period conventionally given for the Paracas Culture of South America which featured elongated skulls.
840 BC	Velikovsky's revised time for the reign of Akhenaten.
1000 – 500 BC	Teotihuacan first inhabited, according to conventional dating.
750 BC	Ancient impact cataclysm causing plagues in Egypt and the Exodus, according to Velikovsky.
722 BC	Northern kingdom of Israel forced into captivity by the Assyrians.
700 – 650 BC	The Khumry travel from Syria, around Greece to Etruria, according to Alan Wilson.
668 – 627 BC	Ashurbanipal reigns as the last significant ruler of the Neo-Assyrian Epire, according to conventional dating.
650 BC	Actual time period of the Trojan War according to Alan Wilson.
600 BC	Conventional dating of the Greek founding of Massalia (modern-day Marseilles, France).
1200 BC – 70 AD	Estimated date of a depiction of the Menorah and the goddess Asherah on a stone in the Catskill Mountains of New York, based on the period of its use in the Middle East.
555 BC	The Akkadian deity Sin returns to Earth from heaven to fight on behalf of the Babylonians, according to texts described by Sitchin.
500's (6th century)	Scylax writes that Libyans (on the northern coast of Africa) at this time were white with blond hair.
500 BC	Himilco, a Carthaginian admiral, appears to describe the Sargasso Sea in the western Atlantic.
500 BC	Legendary arrival of Brutus of Troy in Britain.
484 – 425 BC	Life of Herodotus, the ancient Greek historian.
450 BC	The “La Tène culture” is flourishing in Europe.
329 BC	Alexander the Great rumored to have encountered UFO's while attempting to cross into India, but the original source for this account cannot be found.
237 BC	Destruction of the island of Thesa according to Pliny.
208 BC	Dendrochronological (tree ring) work of Prof. Michael Baillie of Queen's University of Belfast indicates catastrophic event affecting tree growth.
200 BC – 100 AD	Essenes are in Syria and Palestine.
100 BC	Map of the Mississippi River, its tributaries and the Great Lakes is found depicted on a rock found in Burrows Cave, Illinois, as the Great Lakes would have appeared around this year.
200 BC – 400 AD	Time frame given for the construction of the massive Newark Earthworks in Ohio.
0 AD	Electroplating was being done in Baghdad.
0 AD	Dating of an ancient statue found in California, apparently the Phoenician deity Ashtart, according to Frank Joseph.
37 AD	Christianity arrives in Britain, according to cardinals Baronius and Alfred, also the ancient writers Gildas and Nennius.
70 AD	Second temple destroyed by the Romans in Jerusalem.
70 – 135 AD	Dating of Bat Creek stone inscription according to Cyrus Gordon.
100 AD	Approximate date given for Bat Creek Stone based on dates of various individual artifacts.
123 – 153 AD	Reign of Condla Rwadh of Ireland, described in the very early text Leabhar na h----.
135 AD	Hadrian bans Jews from living in Jerusalem after repeated revolts, resulting in a diaspora.
200 AD	Date of a Roman fertility image found off the New Jersey coast by Nelson Jecas.
235 – 284 AD	Roman “Third Century Crisis.”
255 AD	Date given in a “Libyan” stone inscription memorializing a solar eclipse at Drip Rock, Kentucky, according to David Feldman.
260 – 274 AD	Period of the “Gallic Empire” according to the conventional historical narrative, when Britain and Gaul were not under Roman control.
297 AD	Death of the Chinese man who was buried with an aluminum belt buckle (aluminum was not manufactured in modern times until the 1800's).
306 – 337 AD	Constantine the Great is Roman Emperor.
322 AD	Romans forced out of Britain by King Euddaf, grandson of the “Gallic Roman Emperor” Victorinus, according to Wilson.
310 – 379 AD	Dating of chain mail and helmet of apparent Welsh origin found in the Ohio River Valley according to Rick Osmon.
337 – 383 AD	Dates of Roman coins found in various areas of the east coast of North America and along the Mississippi River.
383 AD	Arthur I of Britain invades Gaul, according to Wilson.
388 AD	Arthur I returns to Britain from his continental campaign according to Wilson.
406 AD	Vandals invade Gaul.
410 AD	Alaric I sacks Rome as the Roman army is in disarray. Wilson comments that Alaric observed that the British were not advancing on the continent.
476 AD	The German king Odoacer deposes the Roman Emperor Romulus Augustulus, bringing the western Roman Empire to an end.
508 AD	King Tewdrig, grandfather of Arthur II, is killed in a battle according to Wilson.
540 AD	Dendrochronological (tree ring) work of Prof. Michael Baillie of Queen's University of Belfast indicates catastrophic event affecting tree growth.
541 – 549 AD	“Plague of Justinian” devastates Europe.
553 AD	Reincarnation is officially banned from Christian doctrine at the Second Ecumenical Council.
562 AD	Approximate time that structures in Bolivia were buried in mud according to Wilson.
562 AD	Comet impact(s) devastate parts of Britain and Ireland according to Wilson.
568 AD	Lombards invade northern Italy and establish a kingdom.
569 AD	Arthur II invades Britain after having taken refuge in Brittany according to Wilson.
570 AD	Gildas writes that the Picts originally came from across the ocean.
600 AD	Cahokia is first settled according to conventional chronology.
674 – 1043 AD	Byzantine Empire used an incendiary weapon in naval battles which has since been lost to history.
800 AD	Charlemagne is crowned Holy Roman Emperor.
833 AD	More is known about the coast of South America at this date than would be known about it in Florence in 1489, according to Nito Verdera.
900 AD	Approximate date of Aleppo Codex.
900's AD	Arabic writer Abu al-Hasan Ali al-Mas'udi implies that the pyramids were built using levitation.
946 – 1003 AD	Life of Pope Sylvester II, who allegedly possessed an “automaton.”
969 AD	Kingdom of Khazaria is destroyed by the Kievan Rus.
1000 – 1200 AD	Rapid population growth in North America linked to migrations from the Middle East, according to Josh Reeves.
1008 AD	The Leningrad Codex marks the beginning of the modern use of the “star of David” as a Jewish symbol.
1000 – 1125 AD	The Anasazi of the modern-day American southwest were processing chocolate, according to David Allen Deal.
1066	Normans conquer England.
1170	An inscription in Welsh on stone at Clifty Falls, Indiana, gives this date.
1128 – 1300's	Time frame for the construction of a pre-historic tower in Rhode Island based on its similarity to towers built by the Knights Templar.
1307	Knights Templar suddenly persecuted and executed.
1362	Date given on a stone with Swedish runic inscriptions found in Minnesota, detailing a Scandinavian expedition.
1371	House of Stuart founded in Britain, descended of Bretons.
1405 – 1424	Admiral Zheng of China traveled to North America multiple times according to Gavin Menzies.
1406	Tall, fair-skinned people who believed themselves to be the only survivors of a global flood were discovered on the Canary Islands by the French. Average height of about 6 ft. tall.
1438 – 1740	The Hapsburgs family dominates the position of Holy Roman Emperor.
1440	Approximate date of Gutenberg's printing press. Beginning of printing in Europe.
1453	Constantinople finally falls to the Muslim Turks of the Ottoman Empire, bringing the eastern Roman Empire to an end.
1474 – 1692	Printing is outlawed in Wales according to Wilson.
1492	Christopher Columbus is supposedly the first European to discover the “New World.”
1502	The King Jaime World Chart is compiled, apparently from much older maps, showing the Sahara Desert with lakes, rivers and cities.
1517	Martin Luther posts his 95 Theses, symbolizing the start of the Protestant Reformation in Europe.
1521	Ponce de Leon reportedly encountered giants in Florida and wrote about it, according to Quayle.
1555	Experimental launch of a 3-stage rocket in Romania, as recorded in Medieval manuscripts.
1601	A “non-flaming light” is discovered still functioning at the El Gran Moxo ruins in Brazil.
1606	Micmac natives described by Lescarbot as “half-Basque.”
1692	Port Royal, Jamaica, falls into the ocean, killing 3000 people.
1722	Giants reported to still inhabit Easter Island by early European explorers.
1773	The Shawnees inform Governor Dunmore of Virginia that the “Can-tuc-kee” lands were not theirs, but inhabited by the ghosts of an exterminated white tribe.
1776	American independence declared.
1789	French Revolution begins.
1840's	An estimated 3000 stone tablets appearing to be 3rd century Coptic texts begin to be uncovered in Michigan (the Soper-Savage Collection).
Mid 1800's	A massive upheaval of the ocean floor near the Azores causes a transatlantic underwater cable to break.
1850	An ancient civilization in Death Valley is discovered by Ives William Walker.
1861 – 1865	American Civil War.
1886	The book A Dweller on Two Planets is completed, claimed to be channeled from a former inhabitant of Atlantis.
1889	Bat Creek mound excavated and stone with inscription discovered.
1895	Radio is invented.
1900	The Dunhuang scrolls are found in the Gobi Desert, in an unknown language.
1900 – 1940's	Increased interaction between major world cultures, according to Bashar.
1905	The capital of the Hittite Empire is rediscovered not long after the first remains of the Hittite Empire itself.
1909	G.E. Kincaid is reported to have found a Buddhist statue in a cave at the Grand Canyon.
1911	Lovelock Cave in Nevada is excavated.
1912	Burroughs wrote in his novels of cities on Mars, later shown to have uncanny resemblances to reality according to Hoagland.
1914 – 1918	World War I.
1920's	Arthurian history is removed from Welsh schools by the British government according to Wilson.
1925	First public demonstration of the television occurs in London.
1930's	Tibetans are reportedly still moving large stones using only sound.
1933	First recorded mention of the Los Lunas Decalogue Stone.
1937	Ancient stone structures on the bottom of Rock Lake in Wisconsin are studied during a dive.
1939 – 1945	World War II.
1940's	Elements of US government first become certain of ET existence, according to Bashar.
1940's – 1980's	A multi-cultural “global link” is developed, according to Bashar.
1943	Philadelphia Experiment.
1945	Edgar Cayce dies.
1945	Flight 19, consisting of five US military bombers and one search plane, disappears in the Bermuda Triangle.
1947	Roswell Incident.
1947	Nevada paper runs the story of the discovery of 8 to 9-ft. Tall giant mummies.
1947	The San Diego Union publishes a report of 9-ft. skeletons found in Death Valley.
1947	The transistor is invented, paving the way for the development of computer chips.
1950's	Brief face-to-face interactions between ETs and US government representatives, according to Bashar.
1955 – 1975	American military involvement in Vietnam.
1959	Russian astrophysicist Iosif Shklovsky hypothesizes that the Martian moons Phobos and Deimos are both hollow and therefore artificial.
1963	US president John F. Kennedy is assassinated.
1964	Russian spacecraft Zond 3 photographs apparent “spire” structure on the Moon.
1964	The Gulf of Tonkin Incident occurs, now admitted to not have actually happened, leading to escalated American involvement in what became known as the Vietnam War.
1965	Kecksburg Incident.
1967	NASA's Lunar Orbiter 3 photographs the same spire structure on the Moon.
1967	“Tiled” road off of the US Atlantic coast is discovered by the submarine Aluminaut.
1968	Dr. J. Manson Valentine discovers the Bimini Wall.
1969	ARPANET, an Internet prototype developed by the US Department of Defense.
1974	Tibetans and Hopi begin interactions said to be in fulfillment of prophecy.
1980 – 1984	“Mars jump-room program” active, according to Basiago.
1982	Falklands War occurs, due to UK interest in non-human activity within the region according to Mark Richards in a Project Camelot interview.
1984	REX-84 is carried out in the US, rehearsing for mass civilian round-ups to detainment facilities..
1989	Russians lose contact with their craft Phobos 2 after it approaches the moon of Mars and photographs unidentified objects.
1991	First Gulf War.
1991	The World Wide Web is launched.
1991	Gorbachev resigns his presidency of the Soviet Union, leading to its dissolution. This occurred on December 25th.
1995	Oklahoma City Bombing.
1996	TWA-800 explodes or is shot down.
1997	Phoenix Lights mass sightings.
1998	Google is launched.
2000	PNAC calls for a “new Pearl Harbor.”
2001	September 11th attacks in US. War is launched in Afghanistan.
2001	“PATRIOT Act” is passed in US, justifying mass spying on American citizens despite the Bill of Rights.
2003	US and UK invade Iraq again, this time on false allegations of Saddam Hussein possessing weapons of mass destruction.
2003	Bombing of Jakarta, Indonesia.
2004	Bashar predicts nuclear disaster in Japan within 10 years.
2009	Jakarta is bombed again.
2011	Fukushima nuclear disaster in Japan.
2011	Unusual earthquakes in Colorado and then Virginia within about 12 hours of each other.
2012	Earth “quarantine” lifted according to Bashar.
2030	Time after which nuclear reactors will begin to be shut down, according to Bashar.
2030	First open ET contact should be by this year, as predicted by Charroux in 1969.

[bsbray]

The first thing I'd like to point out is the cluster of events around 10,000 BC.

There are 17 separate events represented between 9500 BC and 10,500 BC. These are from a range of sources, from Plato's famous mention of Atlantis, to modern dating of ancient meteor impact events, to events related to the end of the last "ice age," and did I mention that this same ice age also ended exactly during this period for mysterious reasons?

There are at least two major flood events recorded in history, but this time period seems to represent the most primordial memories of a global flood and general massive catastrophe. Lots of land did sink underwater after the last ice age, including Doggerland (a lot of land in northwest Europe, that allowed people to walk from Ireland to continental Europe and Scandinavia, only crossing water at rivers), the Azores Plateau region, additional land all along the east coast of the US, in Meso-America, on the north of Australia and a great land mass in Indonesia, amongst other places. We are told today that when the ice melted, ocean levels rose and put all of these places underwater.

The ice age theory itself has problems, because it seems that the north pole was actually situated over the Hudson Bay, with New York under over a mile of ice, while Siberia was temperate. Whatever caused the change in climate between these two areas was rapid enough to freeze mastodons alive in Siberia with food preserved in their stomachs. Rather than an ice age, we may be looking at some general global cataclysm that then resulted in a cooler period for as much as several hundred years, along with many other significant climactic changes.

[bsbray]

The second general period of time in the above table I want to draw attention to mostly revolves around the Roman Empire's enemies, from about 70 AD to 800 AD.

This is the time during which Christianity is institutionalized and made into a religion. It's also the time during which the western half of the Roman Empire has seen the end of its glory days and seems to be in a constant struggle for survival from various opponents who we are usually not taught much about. This is also the period during which the King Arthur histories unfold in Britain and France, and apparently a period of early Mediterranean migration to the Americas.

When the 2nd temple in Jerusalem was destroyed, and then the Jews were banned from Jerusalem and forced to disperse, Jewish artifacts dating to this period began to appear in North America, notably the Bat Creek Stone and a depiction of the menorah on a rock in New York (the menorah actually is a symbol of a pagan deity who had an influential cult among the Jews until the 2nd temple was destroyed). The Los Lunas Boulder in the American Southwest may also be from this period but rock carvings are a challenge to date. Roman coins and other artifacts have been found at multiple sites dating from a couple of hundred years later, along the Atlantic Coast and Mississippi River and its tributaries. Around the same time as the Roman artifacts seem to have appeared in America, so did evidence of British (Welsh) inhabitants, who have been tied to the Arthurian histories by Alan Wilson. The story of Prince Madoc arriving in North America and settling in the Ohio River Valley is still a subject of discussion in that area today.

The Carthaginians and Phoenicians also left evidence of their presence in North America (Carthage was founded as a colony of Phoenicia, which was essentially a nation of sailors), and so did the Minoans, Babylonians, and likely the Egyptians (based on some interpretations of hieroglyphics related to a 3-year voyage by sea to an unknown land, and also reports of Egyptian-like artifacts found in the Grand Canyon area), but these were in earlier times.

The Carthaginians had trade routes beyond the Pillars of Hercules (Gibraltar), but it was a law at that time that any sailor who discloses these routes to foreigners would be put to death. The Carthaginian admiral Himilco wrote of sailing to an area that sounds a lot like the Sargasso Sea in the Atlantic, near the Caribbean.

In the same way that we hear so much about covert military space programs today, the ancient Europeans and Middle Easterners seem to have known about the Americas but kept them as a sort of covert operation of their own.

The Roman Empire begins to have serious problems with foreigners during this general period of time and this is an area I would like to focus on in more detail later. This is also the exact same time period of the British (Welsh) kings to which King Arthur belonged. There is a conventional acknowledgment of a "Gallic Empire" from 260 to 274, but otherwise Roman is typically portrayed as more or less maintaining law and order over Gaul and Britain. This may not really be a totally accurate perception of the situation, especially if the British histories are given credit (the British histories were later suppressed by the English who were German invaders, and later the Normans who defeated the Germanic English). The ancient British histories, according to Alan Wilson, and often surviving until today through Welsh oral traditions, is that there were intermarriages between the Roman and British imperial/royal families, and that the British were constantly causing trouble for the Romans in Britain and Gaul. When the Vandals and Gothic tribes later smashed the Roman military, constant warfare with the British may have played just as much of a role in weakening the Romans as the internal conflicts within Roman politics.

By the time that Charlemagne was crowned as the first "Holy Roman Emperor" in the year 800, this chaotic period seems to have began to to be brought under more institutional control. A new worldview was being solidified in Europe with the Carolingian Renaissance and history was already being rewritten and portrayed more or less according to Catholic doctrine in the record. Most literate people were either monks or other religious officials of the Catholic Church.

[grannyfranny]

bsbray

Wow! What an incredible synthesis. I look forward to your future posts on this.

Thank you.

[Aianawa]

Kudos to you, am impressed, feel lots of interesting changes to history.

[Dreamtimer]

Goodness gracious me! That is an impressive chronology. I wish I could add to it. In fact, I believe I will be learning some things from it. I'm not a historian, but I know a couple. This will make for some fun conversation. I wonder if Shadowself has any input.

Awesome work, thanks.

[bsbray]

After the global cataclysm around 10,000 BC (9703 BC according to the Danish meteor impact study), going by legends found all over the world, we would expect that there were not many survivors, much of Earth's civilization was lost, and there would have to be a length of time for rebuilding and repopulating the Earth. The extent of the destruction and the amount of time it took to rebuild cities is difficult to gauge.

It seems that pre-historic cities after about 10,000 BC (pre-historic in the sense that they did not leave written histories) are generally the kinds of early settlements we think of when the nomadic, hunter-gatherer tribes were becoming agrarian, according to the traditional way of looking at this period. The conventional dating of the founding of the city of Jericho is all the way back to 9600 BC, but most other ancient cities we know of are given much more recent dates, which may or may not be accurate.

Many ancient sites showing sophistication were laid out on a pre-planned grid (such as Teotihuacan), or were constructed to make astronomical alignments (for example features at Machu Picchu and other South American sites), or having sewage and/or irrigation systems and other things that we think of as relatively modern conveniences. A number of these more sophisticated cities we know about might belong to this dim period between 10,000 BC and about 5000 BC, and there is sometimes direct evidence of this, as there is at Xitle, as mentioned in the table above. Much of the construction is out of stone, and stone cannot be carbon dated. Sometimes monuments marking astronomical alignments are the only clues to the time periods of these cities, thanks to the procession of the equinox. Ancient settlements from this span of time may include sites in Central and South America (Xitle, near Mexico City, Paracas, Peru, and possibly Teotihuacan), Egypt, modern-day Turkey, ruins in what is now the Karakum Desert in Turkmenistan, Ireland, and many other places.

Though most of the construction from these eras was done in stone, making carbon dating of the actual structures impossible, other items surrounding them can often be carbon dated. At this point, though, the question becomes whether or not the organic items being dated are from the original inhabitants, or a later period of habitation. And if the carbon dating of organic material at these sites is considered "too old," it's also often thrown out as contaminated or otherwise invalid by archaeologists and historians who are still trying to make everything fit the conventional narrative.

Many sites that could possibly date back to the period between about 10,000 BC and 5000 BC are generally considered to be from 4000 BC at the earliest, or more likely between around 3000 and 1500 BC or even later, for example in Central and South America, in Egypt, Turkey, Mesopotamia and India. Archaeologists are reluctant to push settlements of obvious sophistication too far back into time, because this creates serious problems for archaeologists, historians and anthropologists following the traditional historical narratives.

After about 3000 BC in Egypt in particular, the chronology of kings and dynasties and everything associated with them becomes very scrambled and incoherent. To make matters worse, this scrambled account of ancient Egyptian history is then used to sort out the histories of ancient Greece, the Hittites, Syria, and other Mediterranean and Near Eastern civilizations. This has led to the artificial creation of "Dark Ages" (such as the "Greek Dark Age") where no one can seem to figure out what was happening, because the conventional dating of events has serious problems and is off by hundreds of years in many cases. Velikovsky wrote of this in the mid 1900's, and was harshly criticized by the establishment for his views. More recently Peter James and Alan Wilson have written in detail on the same problems.


The general idea is that after the cataclysm that destroyed civilizations around 10,000 BC, including Plato's Atlantis, a certain knowledge of city planning seems to have survived for some time. Often the oldest cities in an area are not the most primitive, but rather seem to have employed construction techniques that have been lost to time, for example the "cyclopean" construction technique of using massive stones that fit together perfectly in jigsaw puzzle-like configurations. This knowledge did not continue to advance after the cataclysm but seems to have degraded in most places instead.

We must also distinguish structures from after the cataclysm with structures that were erected before the cataclysm, the most obvious candidates for which having been underwater since the end of the ice age. Examples of these sunken structures in massive stonework include the Yonaguni ruins near Japan and the Bimini Wall. The three pyramids at Giza are likely to also be pre-cataclysm, as well as Gobekli Tepe (which was intentionally buried at a later date -- possibly to protect it from a disaster that the people knew of in advance), and the pyramids in Bosnia.

[KosmicKat]

Thank you for all the work you put into this BSBray. The first line immediately reminded me of things that leapt out at me as I was making notes from another source previously and I will now have to go back and review my notes and perhaps re-read material to see whether there is independent confirmation of these dates and events.

[Aianawa]

Maybe the hugest thingy ma jig happening in our herstory = Harmonic Convergence in 1987 = first known world wide peace/love/light directed mass meditation, belongs ?.

[bsbray]

There is a lot of other dates and information that can be added to the above of course. The above is just compiled from the first few hundred pages of typed notes I've organized, from something like 10 books, a few hundred hours of radio programs (mostly Coast to Coast AM guests but also some others), some online videos/documentaries, and a lot of Internet pages.

I'm already organizing a second few hundred pages into a separate volume of person notes, and probably still have enough just right now for a third volume already too. So I'm still putting together whatever information I can find, though I'm a little overwhelmed already. Eventually I want to really bring all of this stuff together into a big picture and start tracing some broad outlines that I can write some historical books to fill in, citing all of these sources as I go.

[lift the veil]

Great info Bsbray. So from your research can you give a brief synopsis of who/what/where/when caused the downfall of Atlantis? Thanks.

[bsbray]

What everything looks like to me so far is that when Atlantis existed, there were probably at least 2 other major cultures/civilizations/nations at the same time, as what people refer to today as "Mu" or "Lemuria," and "Hyperborea." The Earth was devastated by meteor impacts about 12,000 years ago, which was around 10,000 BC. This is not just according to legends but scientists have confirmed this by now. What we call the last "ice age" today ended around this same time, so it looks as if these meteor impacts had lasting climactic effects on the Earth. Whether or not there was actually an ice age as we think of it, or the Earth was actually tilted slightly on its axis so that the north pole moved from over the Hudson Bay to its current location, is up in the air for me.

Graham Hancock has a new book coming out this fall or winter that is going to be discussing research showing that not only was there a major meteor impact event around 10,000 BC, but scientists have found evidence for hundreds of impact sites related to this event where the object (or objects) broke up in the atmosphere. One chunk hit near Montana, melting an ice sheet and causing instant flooding that dug out canyons. Other pieces rained down over the Atlantic coast of the US and created the Carolina Bays, and the Caribbean was probably struck as well. I can't remember if there were any other places specifically mentioned. This event left a layer of sediment in the geologic record all over the world, including tiny pieces of diamond that indicate a very high-heat, high-pressure impact.

Somehow or another Hancock has linked this impact to the Taurids meteor shower and the celebration of Halloween. I had already come across two or three indications that Halloween originated as the memorialization of this catastrophic event, but wasn't able to find any connections that I thought were really solid connections, so I'll be looking for Hancock's next book to see what he's figured out about it. What we call Halloween today was an important celebration to the ancient "Celtic" tribes called Samhain, which to them was a remembrance of the dead and considered the day during which the spirits of the dead were closest to the living. The Taurids meteor shower happens at precisely this same time of year, which would suggest that we actually travel through the debris cloud of the impacts that destroyed Atlantis, every year. And this may be the ancient origin of the celebration of Halloween. It would make things a bit more eery wouldn't it?

I've also come across lots of anecdotal accounts, mostly from channelers, such as Edgar Cayce and Bashar, and so this is of course harder to verify, that Atlantis was not totally innocent in its destruction and may have brought its destruction upon itself in some respect. I'm not sure how to interpret that, but the assertions are there. Cayce and Bashar both talk about Atlantis splitting into rival factions that had different goals and were in conflict with each other. Cayce says that one group (something like the "Children of Belial" if I remember correctly) were using "night-side of life" energy destructively, that they used a lot of crystal technology, upset the energy systems of the Earth, and so somehow in this way brought upon their own destruction. Even the idea that asteroids can be weaponized can't be totally ruled out as far as I'm concerned, as far-out as that seems.

As far as where exactly Atlantis was, according to Plato, Atlantis was a maritime power that had colonies, beyond the Pillars of Hercules. It was a large island but apparently not North America, as Plato also seems to have made reference to North America being beyond Atlantis. My guess would personally be something like the Azores Plateau or the Mid-Atlantis Ridge area that may have been above water during the last ice age (I'll attach an image of what that looked like below). This civilization very likely extended along the coasts of North, Central and South America, and was in the Caribbean. Edgar Cayce predicted that the first remains of Atlantean civilization would be discovered around 1968, and this is exactly when divers in the Bahamas discovered the Bimini Wall, which is a massive wall stone underwater. There were civilizations from this same time period in many other parts of the world, but I think this moves into the realm of these other ancient civilizations such as Mu (which may have been a cultural spread from the Pacific Ocean all the way into India and even Turkey), and Hyperborea (which seems to have been in the very northern parts of Europe, ie Scandinavia, Russia and maybe even Greenland). I'm sure the situation back then was very complex, but we just have very little to go off of.



This is an image of what the Atlantic Ocean would look like with lower water levels, as scientists say was the case around 10,000 BC and the entire previous ice age.

Plato said that Athens was at war with Atlantis when the catastrophe occurred, and that the Athenians were proud to be one of the last powers of that region to be holding out against the Atlanteans. Plato said the source of this information was the Egyptian priesthood. Egypt itself may have been colonized by Atlantis. The eastern Mediterranean seems to have been a meeting point of three different cultures, as the Greeks knew of both the Hyperboreans (which means "beyond the north wind" in Greek) and the Atlanteans, and Gobekli Tepe may even represent a Lemurian connection. In the thread here on TOT about the Easter Island statues having bodies, you can see that they share stylistic similarities with Urfa Man from Gobekli Tepe in Turkey, and also a script found on Easter Island matches the Mohenjo-Daro script from ancient Pakistan. I think this likely represents some kind of cultural spread related to what we call Lemuria or Mu, from the Pacific Ocean through Asia, and may be something distinct from Atlantean culture, but this is all very hard to verify for obvious reasons.


So these are the general ideas I'm working with as far as Atlantis goes at this time. I'd be interested in how any of this compares and contrasts with what others have found regarding this, and any other evidence or information that can contribute to this picture.

[lcam88]

bsbray:

Topographical maps circulated today give no indication of this region of shallowness in the mid-atlantic;so it seems that there information to suggest a shallow area in the mid-atlantic?

I once heard a rumor that a collision occured involving a meteor or comet right where your map places a land mass but I never dug into it.

[bsbray]

There is apparently some controversy in academic circles as to what the Mid-Atlantic Ridge's geology consists of and what was there in the ancient past, because the theory conventionally given does not explain various features of the sea floor in that region that indicate that it was above water in the not-too-distant past. For example there is coral that must be near the surface to grow, as well as hardened lava that was formed above-water, and continental sediment.

There is a page here that details all of this:

There are several articles on the formation of the Azores islands which speak of it: the Atlantis books by Otto Muck and Zhirov both record some of the subsidences, many of which are marked by corals which need to grow near the surface now found at depths of 2-3 kilometers down or more. ALL of these subsidences must date to a process beginning at the end of the Ice Age because in some cases the volcanic rock would degrade over a longer length of time. We also have the remnants of the lava from this last event strewn over the entire North Atlantic floor and the layer is directly datable to the end of the Ice Age, and the sediment covering the stratum is of Holocene (Postglacial) age.

The really major part of the evidence is that it was initially assumed that all of the midocean ridges of the world were generating seafloor spreading by means of active magma chambers down the middle. Further investigations turned up the odd fact that while the East Pacific rise has a proper domed-up cross setional profile the Mid-Atlantic ridge does NOT: it has a caved-in profile with once again a subsidence of 2-3 kilometers indicated. And most recently of all came the big shock: The Mid-Atlantic ridge has blown out nearly its entire magma reserve and the magma chamber under it is nearly empty and nearly completely inactive. The magma chambers on the mid-ocean ridghes are typically located about 3 kms down as determined by soundings: blowing out the chamber would logically lower the ridge 3 kms as well.

One source you can give is:
http://www.le.ac.uk/geology/art/gl20.../lecture2.html

http://frontiers-of-anthropology.blo...d-geology.html

The paper linked to is pretty technical and most of it goes over my head. But the quote above offers a summary of it. It looks like the idea is that the evacuation of magma chambers underneath this mountain ridge (which is the longest in the world, all the way down the Atlantic Ocean) caused the mountains above them to also subside even further underwater, if I am interpreting this correctly.

In the table above you'll see a reference to a Maria Klionova (who I assume is a geologist) determining that one mountain in this range was above water around 13,000 BC. I got this information out of a French book from 1969, and this kind of research is a relatively new field of study itself, so while there are some "preferred" theories in academic circles, there is no consensus, and there are significant problems with or holes in the typical theories, as I described above.

[lcam88]

Yeah, topological maps give in the class room setting depict a rather even depth across the atlantic. They toss in the idea of a tectonic type ridge-line at the ocean floor to support that scientific line of inquiry. Let it be said, even while it is perfectly obvious, that sometimes scientific theories are created and left unchallenged so that they can be shared. The theory of evolution and its presumption of "random" dna mutations is one. Nobody bothered to see just how random these mutations are, so that part of it flies. I bet nobody is willing to fund a study that would examine randomness either.

I know there are extensive and accurate maps in existence, sonar mapping to keep submarines from running into things when they dead-head in their stealth mode require it. That information is secret I bet.

Sonar is known to cause whales to beach themselves, for some reason. This was seen in florida and the gulf of Mexico (http://www.collective-evolution.com/...ke-action-now/). And it also stands to reason that the "crazing effect" of sonar would be much greater if there where also echos of the original signal being heard by the water going mammals.

Echo being reflections of the original signal that bounce of something solid. My speculation would go so far as to suggest that these echos did exist, else we would see beached whales in the lower atlantic, pacific and indian oceans as well. Do we have evidence of beached whales in other stretches of ocean? I can't recall of such evidence in the news. Maybe the sonar volume was turned up all the way to get a reading of something more distant, something unknown. That isn't evidence, but sound reasoning of these circumstances do suggest a reasonable possibility for the existence of some type of land structure below the surface.

I originally paraphrased this bit about sonar that may not be so obvious to those who aren't familiar with it. Sonar is a sonic signal being based on "pings" emitted at an interval defined as a prime multiple (2,3,5,7, 11) of a base signal. Sonar does not work well if multiples are non-prime numbers because of ambiguities that arise while trying to calculate the time lapse between the broadcast of the signal to when the echo is heard. So, sonar uses prime multiple of the base signal so that when the echo is heard, computers can calculate this time lapse without needing a secondary analytical evaluation that may introduce errors.

Prime numbers in nature are used by locust, for example, locust-fests occur unpredictably because of that prime number aspect found in the relation between one fest to another. That disrupts patterns of regularity and as such is a measure against predators who would otherwise feed on them. This same type of unpredictability may be very unnatural and craze inducing for animals that depend on "pings" for spacial awareness, orientation and other such social interactions.

EDIT: after more research it's not clear to me that echos are actually required. The phenomena of beached whales has occurred in the pacific and other places. 3khz is known to panic whales. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_mammals_and_sonar) I don't know that this line of reasoning supports the hypothesis of shallow regions in the atlantic any longer.