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    Just to be clear...no one worrying or preventing him posting his nonsense is a sort of "negative consent" that I'd equate with "sanctioned".

    As far as I can tell Corey has only been in the public domain around a year or so, he might well say he was friends with such and such for years but his appearance openly was only a short while ago.
    The thing that gets me...is that people (and YOU, of all people) just accept this. His "appearance"....as if it is something that just happened. Not interesting, even worthy of discussion--something that just happened, nothing of his presence before matters. The phenomenon of him going from Corey to GoodET to sensation here to whatever it is he is doing now.....the only thing anyone wants to talk about is his "data", and seemingly really want to seperate that "message" from anything about the messenger".

    I guess it is uninteresting to everybody but me? It got me booted off Avalon, trying to make sense of it--for whatever that's worth....Bill seemed to take it personally, just trying to get an understanding...attempting to empathize with the players involved.
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    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    Just to be clear...no one worrying or preventing him posting his nonsense is a sort of "negative consent" that I'd equate with "sanctioned".



    The thing that gets me...is that people (and YOU, of all people) just accept this. His "appearance"....as if it is something that just happened. Not interesting, even worthy of discussion--something that just happened, nothing of his presence before matters. The phenomenon of him going from Corey to GoodET to sensation here to whatever it is he is doing now.....the only thing anyone wants to talk about is his "data", and seemingly really want to seperate that "message" from anything about the messenger".

    I guess it is uninteresting to everybody but me? It got me booted off Avalon, trying to make sense of it--for whatever that's worth....Bill seemed to take it personally, just trying to get an understanding...attempting to empathize with the players involved.
    As far as I can tell yes he did appear out of the blue and on the Avalon forum where Christine says he was a close friend, I could not care who he was/is and got into trouble myself at Avalon for daring to say anything against him or his so called data. Its fine if his data resonates or goes well with you, simply many are now removing the blinkers and can see the full story, not the dripfed one given out.
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    I understand fully smokeyjoe same here on another guru not this one. Its funny to me how the blinders come off later but the bans, ooops, unsubscribed responsible for most of the "I told ya soin' don't seem to.
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    Very similar goings on with Simon Parkes, some support him some disbelieve his claims, but he was/is treated as a messiah at a certain forum and anyone stating doubts on his claims gets aggro there. As for this particular individual (corey) maybe we are caught in a big psy-ops, I see certain signs but refrain from calling it so till I see further water muddying.
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    Quote Originally posted by pointessa View Post
    I agree totally. Your logic is spot on Rebel and Rocket. Being fired for your personal views on something that you are doing on your personal time. I cannot imagine anyone just fired outright. And of course, there would be huge grounds for lawsuits. There would be lawyers lining up to take the case for a cut of the settlement of a wronged whistle blower not to mention his civil rights being violated. Does anyone know where he worked exactly? I would like to look into it further. Once he divulged this information to the public I feel it has the right to be scrutinized.
    I can't remember exactly where it all started to pop up...I remember specifics such as working with the Federal Reserve and I think that info was DW. Corey himself, though, has said over and over things about "losing his contracts." I don't think he was directly working for anyone - he has said he was contracted by different government agencies. There are very specific laws about government contractors and what is not allowed to be discriminated against. Now, I don't actually know if there is anything that would prevent a lawsuit against a British national for perpetuating this or disclosing sensitive information about a contractor to those who have contracted him, but there would definitely be laws against losing those contracts - government agencies cannot discriminate against their contractors anymore than they can their employees. If they wanted to call this "national security" issues as grounds for losing contracts, that would be an admission that there was a secret space program, which they'd never do. Right?
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    I scanned some of the above comments and I'll just write here what I understood as I read about Corey on TOT and in other places where he posts.

    • Corey lost his IT job because somebody wrote letters or otherwise contacted agencies where he worked and suggested negative things about him.
    • Such IT employment contracts can end in the blink of an eye. So can any type of government employment. I have had it happen to me. Employment in many states is very simply "at will" and can be ended by the employer.
    • The employer doesn't have to say anything about security issues or anything. They can call it a downsizing or "cost cutting measure" or simply a "layoff" and escort the person out the door with a box of his personal stuff.
    • It is very difficult to sue when one loses a contract. Lawyers aren't crawling out of the woodwork to defend people in situations like this.
    • I understood his earlier salary with IT contracts to be $80,000 to $100,000 or maybe $120,000. Not $900,000. The IT people I know very well make about $80,000 to $120,000.
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    IT programmers/developers and system administrators, as employees these days, make $100,000.00 to $150,000.00 per year on average, with developers on the higher end, I have heard some make $170,000.00 per year. I have been in all these positions, so I know what I am stating here, Of course I am speaking of having a strong background in the area of work interest, and having strong background with the software and/or hardware that the institution or business uses. I have not been in these positions for the military however. It seems government employees may make more than corporate these days... Contractors can make more than a regular employee, because it is more risk.... If you have been on a platform which has not been phased out, then it is usually very easy to get another contract, unless you have some other extenuating circumstances, my case. Plus when you lose a contract, you get full unemployment benefits, which helps, and it resets each time you get employment, from what I understand.

    I saw the article Dr. Salla put out today about the AI, helping us. Then I heard him mention how AI has taken over other civilizations, it sounds like AI can quickly get out of hand. It appears, it may be able to grow exponentially, seems we could lose the whole multi-verse to it! LOL If AI becomes intelligent enough to destroy civilizations, it would be able to start spreading across the known universe, then the multi-verse, civilization hopping, we would be an easy target, since we seem to be the late comers... I wonder why this has not come to pass? Could it be someone is watching out for us? Maybe I am exaggerating, or maybe Dr. Salla is also... I have my story about the Blue Avians, I will tell about it tomorrow, to tired....
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    I use this name format “Blue Avians?” to show these beings were confirmed to be the ones Corey Speaks of, not that it is these beings actual name.

    I am not implying I am correct about everything here, this is my experience and opinions.

    I have been in contact with extraterrestrials a little over two years now. It may have started earlier in my life. Here is my blog link which relates some of my experience to Corey Goode, David Wilcock, and Michael Salla's information. http://exodiscussion.blogspot.com/20...rative-my.html It is best to read it first, as it happened while Corey's information was unfolding. The information that Corey reveals does not imply these beings are actually named the “Blue Avians?” in my case. What has been confirmed to me, is these beings are the same beings Corey speaks of. I absolutely have contact with these beings and have confirmations from them about who they are via photographs, and visuals. I see them, and I am flashed by them everyday. I had asked early on when some channellings were not clear, to give visual confirmations. Recently I have been given symbolic information as confirmations on what I write. I am in contact with these beings, it is not strictly the domain of Corey Goode currently reporting contact with these beings. I believe Corey has knowledge of these beings, not necessarily contact... You will see some of my reasoning below. Other individuals are making contact with these beings, only they are not aware of it. Currently, all extraterrestrials visiting Earth are most certainly from the same group. I have had it confirmed to me the reptilians, as are being espoused by several individuals, do not exist, and has been humorously shared with me by our friends, the “Blue Avians?”. In fact, I had another confirmation yesterday stating I am balanced on how I view the reptilians, in other words, I think it is the reptilian part of our brain that we need to move past, and actual reptilians do not exist. Therefore, those stating their existence are being misleading, not necessarily on purpose. However, some are purposely misleading with the intent to cause distrust and disinformation with the “Blue Avians?”, and may even be aware the reptilians do not exist, at that point, it would be considered disinformation. Simply, if reptilians exist, then how is it possible to trust any ET? The possibility exists the ET may be a shape shifting reptilian... Rumor has it the reptilians are shape shifters. I will tell you all ETs can shape shift, it is structured de-materialization. I recently made a couple of post to an individual who doubts Mr. Goodes story, as many things he stated, I fall in line with, however this person believes in the reptilians, which simply is not true, I have had this confirmed to me on multiple occasions. This blue orb was a confirmation to the failed discussion I had with this individual. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmenbBgr3JI Maybe it is Corey in the blue orb? LOL So in regards to the White Draco Reptilians, Mr. Goode is either not being honest, or he is mislead, or ultimately he is intentional disinformation.

    The “Blue Avians?” have been confirmed to me as the beings Paul Hellyer speaks of, with a base on a moon of Saturn, Andromedia. Not long after my contact, I was shown during several meditations, Saturn followed by a city, complete with pyramids, buildings, and extraterrestrial craft. The visions were very realistic and with the craft moving. I have also been shown an extraterrestrial city, which was not as expected, for example I was thinking a city of light, like many speak of. It was a huge living building, I mean it looked alive, like it had blood vessels. It was white with red streaks, and came up from the ground in a valley and covered it, this occurred during a meditation after asking them to show me an another type of extraterrestrial city. I saw it from the ground, and in the air, two separate images.

    The “Blue Avians?” have been confirmed to me as the beings who channeled the message "Do You Wish We Show Up" to Eric Julien, who is an established author. This in of itself is revealing. A few weeks prior to learning of Corey, I was looking at some Yahoo boards and found one centered on the message “Do You Wish We Show Up”. Well, I knew who these beings were already, as I was having contact with them, it was these beings from this message, Paul Hellyer speaks of, and had been confirmed to me several times. There is a member of this forum who is well aware of this, I had posted this to another site in which they are a member, and this person posted to that post, maybe a year ago. Ok, back to the board I found. I subscribed to the board, and was excited, because I had this information. My first post showed a CHP helicopter with ETs on it, a short description, and some opinion. https://plus.google.com/+Exodiscussi...ts/To6wxyVQqB7 I have been harassed for years by DHS who uses law enforcement. This photo is remarkable IMO, I think many are put off by it however, or afraid to say something about it, because of the before mentioned harassment. And just so you know it is very real, I will take a polygraph, not on my dollar, I am almost broke, by design. You can see the reasons for harassment on my blog and Google+ mentioned before. Turns out Mr. Salla is a moderator on that forum. My post never made it past moderation, I believe I mentioned the ETs are past politics in the post, of course that did not set well, I am sure, with Mr. Salla. And it makes me wonder about how all this transpired, it could just be a coincidence.

    The “Blue Avians?” were recently confirmed to me, as the beings Corey knows about. I kept getting messages from the “Blue Avians?” about something positive via symbols in my minds eye. It had everything to do with David Wilcock there was a correlation. To this day I am not sure what was to happen, but I believe David must have found my material on the net. This is an impression I have, based off statements David was making at the time. Such as the “Blue Avian's?” had bypassed our government and contacted the people, who were trying to expose the ET presence and pushing for disclosure. Well I was definitely posting my contact on Google+ with tags to law enforcement, federal, state, and city, about disclosing the ET presence for a while now, which I am sure all agencies have noticed. As you know, Corey has been speaking to David, yet David is also getting other information from other sources, and through research. How do I have a confirmation regards the “Blue Avians?”? Well you read the blog, of the bird being, very similar to the “Blue Avians?” Corey describes. I had also read during the time of these events, another Forum where Corey had posted. I have seen the triangle headed beings and the narrow headed human looking beings Corey speaks of in his post on that forum. In fact there were three beings one each of the ones mentioned, and another more like a Lemur in appearance at a local Wal-Mart, after I had asked to see them physically the day before. What a correlation, and the day I mentioned contacting David Wilcock, I took the photo of the “Blue Avian?” on the blog post at the very end, I saw it after being flashed by them to get my attention. I had trouble contacting DW, and still have not. So, I contacted Corey, only to be asked for a password. He stated it was needed to confirm actual contact with these beings. I thought it was odd, but I did get something from our friends, after asking them for the password. Basically the message, two words, I got was that it was a mess, but it may actually be the password... Still, I tried to convince him, and he knocked my avatar saying the “Blue Avians?” would never allow such a thing. Part of my issue with Corey, may have been by my own doing. I started a post on his FB page saying if he would take a polygraph, I would. Also I emailed him, but giving the password I was given, while being monitored by DHS, did not sound good to me, so I told him the reasoning for not giving it. While being a little embarrassed as to what the two words meant, when I had looked them up on a Google search, which was dumb also. Anyway, if it had of worked out, I might have been able to quell all this reptilian, and break away civilization speak... And kept the beings as physical beings, as David seemed to be in-line with that, at first... If Corey does not have contact, how do we have the same beings? Could it be he was informed about how they look?

    What this means is these “Blue Avians?” approached our government, and were rejected due to incompatible interest, ultimately the rejection was due to "ego" in all its forms by our human leaders. The negative ETs that were here having agreements with our governments, are now most likely gone, because the “Blue Avians?” and possibly the Galactic Federation are the majority. This fact may have scared our government faction/cabal. We are now left with a cabal and possibly SSP(s). The “Blue Avians?” showed up anyway, because of compassion for us, despite many not being aware of the negative presence on Earth and the arrangements made with them. I just do not believe in the break away civilizations, in my opinion, the breakaway civilizations are dis-info, designed to make us think we could create new allies against an enemy of the Cabal's choice, probably the “Blue Avians?”. Part of what I am saying here is speculative, but is really logically derived, there are references from people like Paul Hellyer, Steven Greer, Werner Von Braun, and others stating the ETs would ultimately be made the enemies. So, if the negative ETs have left because the majority, “Blue Avians?” and Galactic Federation are here, how would you try to hold your ground, if you were the cabal, government faction, or any special interest? Enforce distrust among humans toward the ETs by creating/emphasizing shape shifting reptilians, create the idea there are break away civilizations, which are actually humans, creating/implying the possibility of future allies with them, the last possibility is easily managed with our current political mentality, changing sides for political reasons is very common. Finally the Blue Avians are physical beings not sixth dimensional, as has been stated. David Wilcock may have been taken because of his strong belief in the “Law of One”, an illuminati installed DOD operative could easily utilize this fact knowing the “Blue Avians?” have bird beings among their group. I will get back to creating a blog shortly. I know there are many claiming contact with ETs, very few are actually provided evidence of this contact. What Corey has done is covered all his bases, it does very much look suspicious to me. With the “Blue Avians?” he describes, there is no need for evidence since they are basically angels, you need to have faith. I do believe in spirits however the “Blue Avians?” are not spirits they are physical, and I have been shown. And according to him everything else is disinformation. Ok, I am harrassed by LE, yet I would be disinformation, again I offer the polygraph. Everyone following Corey should demand it of him IMO. Also, Corey keeps stating no saviour extraterrestrials, I wonder what the real impetus for stating this is? As you know, Salla is a moderator on the forum previously mentioned, and Salla often elaborates on what Corey states, seems he would have been glad to see the information I gave him regarding these “Blue Avians?”, I know he saw my Google+ site it was on the post, but I believe it may have changed his mind, since he is into Exopolitics, as stated, these beings are past it.

    So what does this all mean. I do not believe these extraterrestrials, “Blue Avians?” are here to form strategic relationships with our government. They have moved past violence, war, politics, and nationalism. In fact ego in all its forms is a non-desirable aspect for them, when dealing with us humans. It has been confirmed to me, some of these beings I have had contact with are billions of years ahead in evolution. These “Blue Avians?” are probably the majority of nearby extraterrestrial races, and the less than desirable ETs are very likely gone, just by their appearance. Were the undesirable ETs the reptilians? Probably not, my guess for an ET that sounds negative would be the “Tall Whites”, as described by Charles Hall, which appeared to have a relationship with our government, or cabal. There could possibly be a couple of other extraterrestrial races in affiliation in some way or another. Salla seems to speak well of them... I have trouble believing the duality that Corey is pushing forward and presenting to all his followers. Like we are going to continue this bad behaviour on into space. This to me would be a very important line of thought if you were part of the military or a contractor to the military. Or an individual(s) who simply wishes to keep the paradigm you are familiar with, forsaking contact with beings who are gentle, but have radically different modes of operation than humans are use to, even if it means a better and safer existence for us. They have much more efficient technologies, we all know the spill. These “Blue Avians?” would like to see us become an open and loving civilization, certainly they would like to come here and mingle with us, and has been confirmed. However, we simply are not there yet. But they are ready and willing to help us if need be, and without interference. If the majority sees the cabal is getting the upper hand, and we are losing ground, they are willing to give us a hand if the majority can wake up, and ask for their help. I think it would be great to experience other beings, and learn something about them. These beings do not deal in racism, as they are past form. So, in that sense, again we are not ready. They would like our friendship and to welcome us to a new reality. Disclosure is a great step forward in that direction.

    Have you noticed that all the major news items has Salla talking the possibility of it being related to the Corey information? It seems the stories are tailor made to fit Corey's revelations, and possibly vice versa.... is it scripted?
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    Long before Corey or anyone else started sharing about blue avians the real source for the testimony is below: even so not one photo, video or artifact has been presented by anyone discussing the blue avians, not one... in my opinion Bonnie Meyer is the true source of the testimony. But nobody gave her credit.

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    Quote Originally posted by Gretchen View Post
    I scanned some of the above comments and I'll just write here what I understood as I read about Corey on TOT and in other places where he posts.

    • Corey lost his IT job because somebody wrote letters or otherwise contacted agencies where he worked and suggested negative things about him.
    • Such IT employment contracts can end in the blink of an eye. So can any type of government employment. I have had it happen to me. Employment in many states is very simply "at will" and can be ended by the employer.
    • The employer doesn't have to say anything about security issues or anything. They can call it a downsizing or "cost cutting measure" or simply a "layoff" and escort the person out the door with a box of his personal stuff.
    • It is very difficult to sue when one loses a contract. Lawyers aren't crawling out of the woodwork to defend people in situations like this.
    • I understood his earlier salary with IT contracts to be $80,000 to $100,000 or maybe $120,000. Not $900,000. The IT people I know very well make about $80,000 to $120



    When I brought up his salary it was not to debate how much he made. He stated he made in the high 6 figures. My point was if he made in the high 6 figures, why is he broke about 6 months later? Broke to the point of needing donations to do a small repair on his computer?
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    As far as I can tell yes he did appear out of the blue and on the Avalon forum where Christine says he was a close friend, I could not care who he was/is
    So if you presented new testimony on a different forum, it would be fair to everyone there to dismiss anything else they can find out you...it would not be valuable to them to take your previous public activity into account?

    I could not care who he was/is and got into trouble myself at Avalon for daring to say anything against him or his so called data.
    You don't think this a valid piece of data, a piece of the puzzle?

    Its fine if his data resonates or goes well with you, simply many are now removing the blinkers and can see the full story, not the dripfed one given out.
    I take this to mean that you expect anyone to judge your data on whether or not it resonates with them?


    Sorry smokeyjoe, please know that I have a ton of respect for you. I don't ONLY consider whether your "data" resonates with me or not, I actually went through as much as i could find that you have out there--and even tried engaging you directly in private when I wanted clarity (I think a key piece for consideration is the value of these as far as giving accessability to "whistleblowers")...in order to decide whether my "feelings" or "resonantingness" had any validity...to make sure there was consistency there.

    I'm having a really hard with your post, I am trying to discern your approach to whistleblower data...as I respect your unique position in this reality. With respect, Phil
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    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    So if you presented new testimony on a different forum, it would be fair to everyone there to dismiss anything else they can find out you...it would not be valuable to them to take your previous public activity into account?



    You don't think this a valid piece of data, a piece of the puzzle?



    I take this to mean that you expect anyone to judge your data on whether or not it resonates with them?


    Sorry smokeyjoe, please know that I have a ton of respect for you. I don't ONLY consider whether your "data" resonates with me or not, I actually went through as much as i could find that you have out there--and even tried engaging you directly in private when I wanted clarity (I think a key piece for consideration is the value of these as far as giving accessability to "whistleblowers")...in order to decide whether my "feelings" or "resonantingness" had any validity...to make sure there was consistency there.

    I'm having a really hard with your post, I am trying to discern your approach to whistleblower data...as I respect your unique position in this reality. With respect, Phil
    OK, cards on the table, my post reflected what I feel, sense and openly stated. Yes I am a little concerned that individuals suddenly spring up out of the blue and disclose information which starts at a reasonable, feasable level, but gets more fantastic and lets be honest, outrageous as time goes on. The BIG problem is not really the message but the messenger. No one can track Corey's past, totally unknown to the community, so we have nothing whatsoever to verify, clarify him or his claims. I thank you for your kind words about my disclosures but here is the thing. Not only am I freely available to answer questions as and when I'm online but people know I have a clear checkable past, forums since 2005, Disclosure Project Witness since 2000, in the 90's endured those Bases vids, and during the 1970's was high profile researcher/investigator with UFOIN/BUFORA/FSR mag, with much of my work published in that FSR mag, plus a number of books since 1979 (Ufos A British Viewpoint by Jenny Randles and Peter Warrington). See where I'm coming from? People can see me as having been around a very long time, not appearing on the net out of the blue. This is a major problem for not just me, serious disclosure elements also find this difficult to evaluate. My approach to disclosure is self evident, I've put my cards on the table, opened up fully to everyone AND can be traced back in time. The community needs to be able to verify each and every individual who comes forward with such claims and not take it for granted it must be truthful. I've had to endure the third degree and rightly expect all those that approach the community with claims to go thru the same treatment and not run away from simple questioning. With that in mind yes I'm holding the claims of Corey Goode and some of those from DW suspect. I hope that clarifies the situation.
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    *sigh* Just feeling the need to vent. I'm not sure if this is the place to do it, I apologize beforehand if this is inappropriate.

    I understand the "message", STO, be kind, understanding and compassionate and so on.

    Apply discernment; probably one of the most frequently given instructions by "truth messengers". Well I'm applying it.

    Back during the latter part of 2014 I discovered David Wilcock's information that he had researched and published in both print and audio/video media. I found it to be well researched and quite amazing, nothing short of life changing. I respect the time and effort he had put into his work. And then began hearing more about his SSP insider. At first it all sounded plausible, however as time goes by this insider's credibility (by applying my discernment) is waning.

    My first indications of this were the comparison between the insider's prior work history and the quality of how the information they provided was presented. Misspellings, clarity and composition and overall unprofessionalism in the presentation, again, given their prior experience. Secondly, as it my understanding that this insider lost their regular livelihood and is/was in hardtimes economically. Even so, I find it a bit unprofessional to put as much emphasis on donations as has been done. But alas, to each his own. There was also the request for assistance for contacts of those who may have a beach house that this insider and his family could use for a vacation. (I'm not sure of any financial arrangements). Thirdly, the constant delays and missed target time frames of the release of information.

    And then, the radio interview on oymradio just recently. It just didn't come across to me as he was confidant in what he was doing. And jees, the sketch he posted on his site (after he said he was arranging for a professional artist to render a facsimile) of a Draco?

    Now again, I respect and admire David's work and I feel that the material that has been presented by him is plausible and authentic. However the information presented by his insider, or, maybe it's the way in which it has been presented is not very convincing to me. Something is just not quite right. Besides that, the information seems to be directed towards elementary school students. Considering the constant advisories that the information will be very disturbing.

    So, yes I will continue to read, listen, watch and discern. I just needed to vent, this is all very frustrating.
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    OK, cards on the table, my post reflected what I feel, sense and openly stated. Yes I am a little concerned that individuals suddenly spring up out of the blue and disclose information which starts at a reasonable, feasable level, but gets more fantastic and lets be honest, outrageous as time goes on. The BIG problem is not really the message but the messenger. No one can track Corey's past, totally unknown to the community, so we have nothing whatsoever to verify, clarify him or his claims. I thank you for your kind words about my disclosures but here is the thing. Not only am I freely available to answer questions as and when I'm online but people know I have a clear checkable past, forums since 2005, Disclosure Project Witness since 2000, in the 90's endured those Bases vids, and during the 1970's was high profile researcher/investigator with UFOIN/BUFORA/FSR mag, with much of my work published in that FSR mag, plus a number of books since 1979 (Ufos A British Viewpoint by Jenny Randles and Peter Warrington). See where I'm coming from? People can see me as having been around a very long time, not appearing on the net out of the blue. This is a major problem for not just me, serious disclosure elements also find this difficult to evaluate. My approach to disclosure is self evident, I've put my cards on the table, opened up fully to everyone AND can be traced back in time. The community needs to be able to verify each and every individual who comes forward with such claims and not take it for granted it must be truthful. I've had to endure the third degree and rightly expect all those that approach the community with claims to go thru the same treatment and not run away from simple questioning. With that in mind yes I'm holding the claims of Corey Goode and some of those from DW suspect. I hope that clarifies the situation.
    I appreciate every time you share your thoughts and feelings, and especially a lot you stated here...though my point, and as I mention before no one else seems interested and so it may be off base, though I am still not completely ready to "let it go and move on" just yet...is that I disagree with the second half of what I highlighted above, that seems to conflict with the first half.

    Corey posted hundreds if not in excess of a thousand times on Avalon before he "appeared out of the blue"...and his stuff usually set up red flags, with bits that "resonated with me" enough to "try to keep an eye on him"...but for the fact I could never get the through bold purple crap I often tried wading through. Those are my own intuitions and feelings about the prolific poster and friend of avalon that signed most posts as Corey who existed and established at least a character as GoodETxSG/Corey BEFORE Bill made him famous.

    I just think that him as messenger, the platform that changed his character, the individuals involved in doing so...are all pieces of the puzzle worthy of being examined if not for building a case to shooting holes in his particular story...but I actually see a phenomonon that is a pattern that is way more important than this individual case, which happens to have a lot of revealing elements way more interesting to me than blue birds and giant spheres and cash made and fame and ego feeding.
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