DITO! Put up or shut up! On one extreme we have a guy, an astronomer and very good apparently and he has been saying and pretty much proving for years nothing leaves our atmosphere! He has the ability to see it start to finish but it never manifests as a ship leaving the orbit of earth for his scope!? What is that? Is it then a lie to say we were even outside the oxygen bubble ever? This guy shows pretty good evidence everything goes up, arcs and then comes back on a downward trajectory and yet we're to believe there are payloads going to some space station!
Then on the other extreme a guy saying not only were we on the moon but we're on mars and out there! One has to wonder who has more substantial proof!? So far to me the astronomer does!