Sasquatch Vocalizations 4.0

[Frances]

I have just taken a break from listening to this presentation Jimmer, and my mind is blown.
It's really scary, frightening and fascinating, all at the same time.

I feel like I am going through an episode of the X Files.
I won't talk about it, as I don't want to spoil it for other listeners.
Frances.

[Divine Feminine]

I happened to catch this interview the other night too, wow...really strange cases! After listening, I'm still of the belief this is about population control and Agenda 21 related, hense more men disappearing. It's also a great way to promote fear among the entire population base. It's even possible there's no basis for why many of the cases have similar commonalities...I mean think about it...whoever or whatever is doing this is, would be very intelligent. They already know right out of the gate, someone is going to profile the cases looking for similarities. Maybe this is why they make these disappearances so strange, so one working on the cases thinks there's something to all the unusual similar circumstances. One exception to this might be the cases where they're targeting extremely intelligent individuals which could demonstrate they don't want these people out in the real world....doing what they do best.... thinking intelligently. When you see how much effort has been put into dumbing down the masses, by poisoning their air, food, water and vaccinations, the theory isn't a stretch at all.

It doesn't seem these disappearance are caused from vortexes, I think the culprits could be the Military Industrial Complex using space vehicles with technology you can't even fathom, bought and paid for with our tax dollars, including the little green men to do the dirty work. I suspect it's the same people doing the cow mutilations in which they drop them from the sky. Of course it's possible not all the cases fall under this scenario, but after listening to many interviews and details David has given over the past several months, that would be my best guess. I can only imagine our population is dwindling far more rapidly than any of us truly know, as thousands of people disappear more often than we're being told. I realize David doesn't want to speculate, but I'm not David, nor am I in David's position, so I speak my thoughts freely.

PS..Just an afterthought...I wouldn't be surprised if they have some type of scanning equipment where they can scan individuals from above, aiding in their ability to select the 'proper specimen'....god only knows what they're doing to them before they discard their bodies. I also have reason to believe it's extremely possible with the data bases being kept of the blood types of individuals when they're born, that some of these people might be traced/hunted down for what is found within their DNA which might reveal both their heritage and possible intelligence level among other things....a type of technology/knowledge that we aren't even made aware is available. I have personal story about someone who is close to me relating to this type of scenario, so it's why I put the thought out there.

[jimmer]

here's the second episode of, off track.

they found a track way.

question is: legit or forgit?

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N948KgfyFK8

as a comparison, here's one of mike paterson's epic compilations. (linked to his FB page recently)
in comparison to off track and their evidence, there's no comparison.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2OCE4etCZA

[jimmer]

I happened to catch this interview the other night too, wow...really strange cases! After listening, I'm still of the belief this is about population control and Agenda 21 related, hense more men disappearing.

DF, I do appreciate you are sold on a global gov't conspiracy theory.
if true, that would make it a 'human endeavor.'

while paulides has been vey careful not weight in on his theories,
he has revealed what he thinks is not causing these missing cases:
MAN. he won't go any further than that.

and what about frances' forest stairway research?
from accounts, the forestry pros know about these things
and will not discuss them and tread near them.

if you haven't read any of the missing books, I'd recommend it.
at least after delving into the situations connected to many of the
stranger incidents (not many of them have been aired), then
you'd have a baseline to truly believe this or that.

[Divine Feminine]

No I'm not 'sold on global gov't conspiracy'. I've said in past posts I would not lump all the disappearances into one cause, though I do feel there's the possibility that many of these cases can be attributed to it's agenda, but not necessarily all. I also would not label Agenda 21 as a 'global gov't conspiracy'. It's existence is in public documents and a well known fact. For the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA(capitalized on purpose), it started with the signing of the Earth Summit at Rio de Janeiro in 1992 by President Bush and went on to implementation thanks to President Clinton via Executive Order 12852 and the development of the PCSD which stands for Presidential Council on Sustainable Development. I don't say this to chastise you, but I want it clear to readers who may not know that Agenda 21 is fact and not a conspiracy.

I've never heard David say publicly 'man' wasn't the cause so I've missed this in the interviews. It would be interesting to know when he said this...was it this year, last year, in a book(what year was it published)etc? And did he say specifically why he thinks this? What pieces of evidence make him feel this way? Through the years of reading other people's research, I've watched some back away from their own initial theories as they learn and grow from new found information. While some like to pulverize the poor individual, I will not. We are all learning and growing and mistakes will be made, we're not perfect. So I don't get the mentality of some who like to 'eat their own' for not being accurate 100% of the time. In the future David could also change his mind as new evidence comes forward, just want to point this out.

All you can do is work with what you have. I don't 'fear' being wrong. Based on what I've heard so far and my understanding of the 'end game' is why I've come to the conclusions I have. David will have access to information we're not privy to, that's a given so his conclusion will be different. I research a lot and I can't tell you how many times topics explored come under the Agenda 21 concepts and procedures. I like Rosa Korie's comment, "It's not what is Agenda 21, it's what isn't. Meaning....pretty much everything we have to deal with on a daily basis whether it's the food we eat, the air we breathe, our shelter, our jobs etc..all are affected by the policies and protocols of Agenda 21 whether people know it or not. And just because people don't know it, doesn't mean it's not going on. I don't feel this way just because Rosa 'says'....I have come across the same things she has when researching which is why I understand her point of view.

I will always say, should new information come to the forefront, then I will reconsider my stance. Agenda 21 is about population control and conveniently fits into the schematics of the disappearances so at this point I can't rule it out. It's about fear and it's about getting you off the land so you are forced into confined areas where you can be controlled. The smaller the population the easier you can be manipulated and the less effect you're able to have on the Aether Field. Spiritual people aren't welcome(another recent commonality identified in the latest victims)

We don't know what David knows. He may very well be forced to go outside his own belief systems in order to solve this mystery. So technically we can't say David knows all he needs to know, in order to make his own conclusions. Additionally we can say none of us know the complete story as it's possible David hasn't released all the evidence needed to make a solid educated guess, which I believe is what's going on. But you have to ask yourself why there's no integrity left with the officials involved in protecting our lands. Is there not some responsibility there? In that sense for me, I have to say 'MAN' is involved as these people are blocking FOIA requests and pushing people out of searchable areas giving the indication they're not interested in getting to the bottom of this....why? What do they know? Why are they protecting whoever is doing this? Why are they not concerned? Why was one of the SAR investigators in one of the Colorado cases using the pants of the father for the search dogs to smell rather than the 6 or 7 year old boy's pants... you know the one who's lost? C'mon! Where's the responsibility there?

So I can't blow off 'MAN'S' involvement. As far as I'm concerned, the people doing this...including the attorney that called David wanting to know why the information was being requested and telling him he's never going to get it, along with countless other 'officials'...or should I call them 'foreign agents' who've acted suspiciously and unwilling to help, can all be considered accomplices. There is nothing spiritual about their behavior and if we've learned anything during this incarnation, it's the fact that the human race lacks spirituality. 'MAN' is responsible if they stand in the way.

I'll tell you this,....after listening to that interview...I felt strongly David already has a pretty good idea of what's really going on....the big question....why isn't he talking?

Do ya ever get the feeling that some of these people in the public eye know something? I'm talking about the big scope of things....and yet they continue on as if it doesn't matter because they know their job is to keep doing what it is their doing until instructed otherwise..it's as if they're playing a role of an actor in a predetermined outcome.........I have had the same 'feeling' emitted from others who work in the public arena just as I did with David Paulides in this last interview.....and I don't think it's my imagination I can seriously 'feel' it which is how I'd wired in this incarnation. I can read people's emotions and sometimes interpret their intentions as my intuition skills comes from 'feeling'(it's in my astrological chart), so I'm not making this up.

Anybody else detect this from David in his most recent interview on Coast to Coast that he knows more than what he's saying? I just can't shake the feeling.


PS I have stated before that I have not read David's books, only listened to several of his interviews. I hope in the future to be able to to read some of them. It's not that I don't want to, it's a time constraint for me. Again and worth repeating, I'm not saying all the cases fall under the same conclusion.

When you recommend this:
"if you haven't read any of the missing books, I'd recommend it. at least after delving into the situations connected to many of the stranger incidents (not many of them have been aired), then you'd have a baseline to truly believe this or that."

It sounds like you are labeling all the cases under one umbrella/one cause, when you say 'baseline'...be careful with that... I do not come from this viewpoint as I feel there's still the possibility that all the cases aren't related. Maybe that is not your intention, but that's how it reads.

I am not familiar with Frances' work and it's the first time I've seen it mentioned on this thread, but I'll take a look.

[bsbray]

Anybody else detect this from David in his most recent interview on Coast to Coast that he knows more than what he's saying? I just can't shake the feeling.

I get a similar feeling. The obvious explanation might be that he's just being very conservative in his investigation because of his background. He could also be putting up some kind of front or any number of things. But I also get the feeling that this guy has really put a lot of time and effort into his research and that it is very meticulously put together.

[Divine Feminine]

ok, good... glad I'm not the only one. I wasn't even going to say anything, cause it's not something I can explain, it's something I can feel. I've been listening to David for a while now, which is why I think I picked up on it. It had nothing to do with what he covered, nor was it because of any new evidence being revealed....How can I explain it....it's just something you read/tune into outside the normal sensory fields one typically uses.

Whatever 'it' is that I keep sensing certain individuals seem to know,.. well it's beginning to crawl under my skin. As weird as this sounds, I am trying harder and harder to focus on the individual the moment I sense the feeling to see if I can 'read' exactly what it is I'm picking up on. I think what I may be sensing are their thoughts at that very moment(thank you Aether Field) which is what I'm 'feeling'. I'm not one for getting inside of people's heads though I will tell you it can be done as I have done it before without effort, only merely having physical contact with the individual allowing me to automatically tap into their thoughts, so it is possible and you don't need to wear a helmet to do it, lol, yes I've seen the technology. I suspect as we become a more spiritual race, the abilities will increase and individuals who are deceptive will find it harder and harder to hide negative thoughts for fear of being discovered.

I don't 'feel' this all the time with these specific individuals, only occasionally, which is what prompts me to think I'm picking up this 'feeling' at the moment they're thinking it. Pay attention to the likes of Steve Quayle, Dave Hodges and Alex Jones to name a few.....see if you 'feel' it yourself. It will come swiftly and unannounced...Sometimes it's when I'm not fully paying attention that the 'feeling' overcomes me.

[bsbray]

This is a good point to bring up, DF, if it can be sensed. I get the feeling with Steve Quayle and Alex Jones too, but never really listened to Dave Hodges (I read his website for a while but it was way too negative for me). Steve Quayle is a little bit of a religious nut for me, so whatever he may be thinking in the back of his mind, whether he believes all of what he says or not, I'm not really buying into the spin he puts on things even though he puts out good data.

I have never really been able to figure out Alex Jones to my satisfaction. Sometimes I get the feeling that he hasn't figured his own self out yet.

A lot of police officers I've known (and Paulides' background is in police work if I'm not mistaken) often seem very shifty to me, and I'm led to believe that it's because of a paranoia they are more or less trained to have. This kind of paranoia and suspicious questioning of people seems to come across to others as causing the officer himself/herself to seem suspicious. In Paulides' case I just get the feeling that he's being conservative in his investigation but like I said I could be wrong on that.

When I'm unfortunate enough to see politicians on TV like Obama, Hillary Clinton or Jeb Bush, their statements, tone of voice and body language are all so blaringly contrived and artificial that I don't understand why anyone takes them seriously. It's as if they are consciously acting the whole time and about a half inch below the surface of their front personality is a lot of ill-intended frustration and even seething anger. I get this sense less from Obama, who to me sometimes seems more robotic in his tone of voice and body language.

Anyway I guess I'm getting off topic here.

[Divine Feminine]

Ya, 15min of listening to Quayle and Jones is enough to make you wanna leave the planet...indefinitely, lmao. If you're not use to listening to the two if them it can scare the pants off of you. I'm not suggesting they're lying, but they bounce off of one another and the energy created is fear porn to the extreme.

The key to learning how to pick up on what 'it' could be, happens when you're not fully listening...this is your subconscious working which is kinda like when you're meditating. Easier said than done, eh? I have often felt both Steve and Alex 'know something' and they're riding in the coat-tails of their endeavors. I have commented in the past that it's a 'game' down here. Some people don't like that description, but I say it because that's what it feels like and when you see all the 'players' perfectly stationed in all the right spots it's hard not to come to this conclusion when watching from afar. When I say 'game', I don't mean one that's fun, ..it is serious business and a spiritual one, though many have yet to see this perspective.

So to me, when I say it's as if they 'know' something...it feels like it's tied into 'the game'. Almost as if they know something is down the pipeline and they 'know' the endgame. This is the feeling that keeps overcoming me; and I not only hear it in their words, though they don't speak of it, I feel it inside.

".....but never really listened to Dave Hodges (I read his website for a while but it was way too negative for me). Steve Quayle is a little bit of a religious nut for me, so whatever he may be thinking in the back of his mind, whether he believes all of what he says or not, I'm not really buying into the spin he puts on things even though he puts out good data."

And maybe this is part of the point I'm sensing and trying to make but in a different way...something just isn't quite right is it?....It's kinda like Scott Wolter, America Unearthed.....comes out of no where...but alas his claim to notoriety is being called upon to investigate the 9-11 damage at the Pentagon. Suddenly, he's in business, opens up shop and not long afterwards he's hosting his own show on History Channel known as America Unearthed as a forensic geologist...hmmm. Oh, did I mention his show receives government funding?....lol

I'm on the fence about Alex too...something is off, though I have not found enough smoking guns to satisfy my curiosity..plus I have better things to do. I did have an interesting non-verbal exchange with him. Without going into detail and to be brief, I called him out on something via email, politely, but sternly. Interestingly enough, the next day...my question was answered on air, so I know I hit a nerve. All I'm gonna say is funding had something to do with what I was pointing out and while we're talking about 'feeling', it felt like what I had said scared him though that was not my intention. I think he might have thought I was a 'plant' testing to see what he would say.What I said was obviously enough to make him feel like he had to take action, so in a sense I got a response, which imo, confirmed my suspicions. I knew, that he knew, that I knew.....lol. It was this interaction in addition to others not mentioned which keeps giving me this 'feeling' that something is going on behind the scenes with these guys...and that this 'game' has to continue for a while longer.

From my astrological chart:
"With the Sun in Cancer, you are primarily the Feeling type.....Feeling types evaluate situations on the basis of sentiment and may disregard logical processes as ineffective with others and unsatisfying to themselves.....You have psychic connection to the people and things around you. Often you can "get to the point" before other people even state it." lmao....It's gonna get harder and harder to fool the masses as more develop extra-sensory skills which enable one to navigate through all the noise.

As of yet, I can't put David Paulides in the category of the others mentioned above, but his background involving police work is interesting....Wasn't it a caller on the recent Missing 411 interview who said, most coroners are 'plants' and for obvious reasons...so they can control the narrative. It eludes to the possibility that many more professions are littered with 'plants' within various industries for the mere purpose of controlling and maintaining the desirable outcome. I am watching, closely.

[jimmer]

I've never heard David say publicly 'man' wasn't the cause so I've missed this in the interviews.

have a listen, DF. here's pauides revealing what he thinks 'is not' causing the missing 411 cases.
how does this fit into your man-made gov't conspiracy? (whether it's all incidents or some of them)

Here's the point in the interview when Paulides reveals his NO MAN theory.

https://youtu.be/NfVs3Q1faRQ?t=42m59s

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfVs3Q1faRQ


here's the SV4 posting:

http://jandeane81.com/threads/7033-S...#post841933167



as for my use of the term, baseline, I just think if we are immersed in this missing subject, it's smart to read one of paulides books.
after absorbing the information, coincidences, odd situations, and hotspots in his book(s), you may have a different perspective.
these incidents are so bizarre that even if human gov't agencies wanted to create odd abduction scenarios,
the facts are beyond what humans could pull off. (no matter the desire, power or money)

[jimmer]

I get a similar feeling. The obvious explanation might be that he's just being very conservative in his investigation because of his background. He could also be putting up some kind of front or any number of things. But I also get the feeling that this guy has really put a lot of time and effort into his research and that it is very meticulously put together.

paulides has said numerous times that out of respect for the missing 411 families
and those to come, he shies away from the discussing the paranormal aspects.
he doesn't want to scare them off or seem 'crazed' to those who be repulsed or troubled.
he needs their complete confidence.
he's an ex-cop -- he keeps to the facts, as strange as they are.

I bet someday he'll let it all out, for sure.

[bsbray]

And maybe this is part of the point I'm sensing and trying to make but in a different way...something just isn't quite right is it?....It's kinda like Scott Wolter, America Unearthed.....comes out of no where...but alas his claim to notoriety is being called upon to investigate the 9-11 damage at the Pentagon. Suddenly, he's in business, opens up shop and not long afterwards he's hosting his own show on History Channel known as America Unearthed as a forensic geologist...hmmm. Oh, did I mention his show receives government funding?....lol

I didn't know he receives government funding, and I'm not sure why he would, but I think his shows draw some sorely-needed attention to a lot of out-of-place archaeology in North America. Even if there is some ulterior motive, it seems to me like a case of "no publicity is bad publicity."

[jimmer]

no offense to anyone, but could we keep to the ever expanding topic of SV4?

please respect this thread's purpose: the expansive field of sasquatch stories, history, personalities, evidence and related theories.

starting a new specific thread is easy, if you like to continue your conversation.

thanks so much.

[Frances]

Source of this photograph unknown.

Source:- http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.co.u...m-strange.html

Jimmer, what's your thoughts on these two photographs, could the top photo be photoshopped, the second one looks genuine to me?
Frances.

[jimmer]

the top photo has been proved to be retouched.
the antlers were the only thing in the original. (as I recall)

the bottom photo is more rare.
any research on that one? and background?