29th March 2018, 01:16
Subject A loves to laugh for they are free of burdens.
Subject B loves to laugh for it adds value to the moments of pain.
As equally unnoticeable to us sometimes, our enjoyment in the 'joy' body can be explicitly linked with contrasting itself with pain from the pain body.
The way food tastes good when you are hungry.
The way absence makes the heart grow fonder.
The search for the perfect wave of joy is totally connected with the pain body, in that our sensory quantification of events is metered by comparing and contrasting polarities.
Our interactions between joy and pain are that which gives us drive and motivation. In this way, the pain body becomes a catalyser. To be aware of it seems very much like a good thing, but trying to remove it or completely eradicate it is futile for a number of reasons. (And I realise that is not the point for many speaking about 'pain body')
Pointing back to just awareness of the concept of the dynamic being the important bit. Action to counter it seems impossible to do consciously, and perhaps 'action' just comes about by itself.
I still think it is important within the concept, to acknowledge the even slipperier contribution that the joy body makes to the energising of the pain body.
Think, addiction. Whether it be to substances of energies. It might be someone who "Loves Christmas".
For decades, without knowing about the term 'painbody', I have seen people interacting from within such stances and have been quite aware of the state of the hurt. And what becomes obvious is that people are attached to their little ratwheels. They can project to xmas, or they can set up landings between the rapids they have created, and the xmas landings become just a full of fuel as the points of pain on their anthropological map.
Sometimes things are called pain because they do not compare well to the points on the joy body. Sometimes they work well to give more value to a joy though. So sometimes some of the painbody locations are nurtured. Other ones are real and represent pain which has not reward at the end, but many are in a dependency loop with a favoured joy.
Some are natural systems. That is why much of it exists. You know, like being warm is joyful so being cold is painful or the large example of the chemical bliss of sex as a 'bribe' to make humans want to reproduce, and how the modern world has tapped into sex bliss as a joybody medication for the pain body, without realising that's what it is doing.
But as we have started playing with props and fake environments in the modern world, the re-wiring has been a bit absent minded. By not being aware of these levels of intelligence, we just react as things come towards us and blame archetypes. But by being able to have perspective and begin to see our selves in action, we are learning to describe these concepts and to focus and refine and improve on them in understanding of the phenomenon they describe.
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29th March 2018, 05:18
Loved reading your post, still digesting, If one in their pain body is aware of the pain inflicted upon themselves or another, imo one has moved to different terrortory, maybe another facet but definitely not the unacknowledged pain body.
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29th March 2018, 09:48
The way I see it what Tolle is describing/defining as the painbody is what I loosely referred to @ #13 as the gap. He's far from the 1st to attempt to mitigate it, to tame it. Collectively we make a good audience as this is something we all attempt to do as it purddy much has us all by the short hairs. Unfortunately though, with very little success. Sooner or later its gonna get triggered (there are reasons most of which have been lost to consciousness). This is part of why we're all ears when someone forwards what may appear to be a new idea.
I give him BIG credit for recognizing that to be there with it is a sin quo non in the process bid'ness. But bottom line, the best such tactics will muster in the healing bid'ness is as a coping mechanism. Its as an allopathic solution to an homopathic malady. Which is to say a cover up. And does little to forward healing of original causality. Way too many of us have come to believe that coping is the best we can expect.
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29th March 2018, 16:06