The Abolition of The Monetary System

[Bob]

Hi Novusod - just got a chance to read Pris's thread, and saw your post Novusod.

I can agree 100% with your post - the manipulation of scarcity for enslavement is the issue..
http://jandeane81.com/threads/6105-T...#post841912420

Abundance IS the reality, abundance being hidden is the issue, or removing from people the ability to choose abundance based systems, verses scarcity perceived systems.. Abundance is being kept hidden by the slaveres, or spun so that people can't ever see it or even expect that it can be located.

Technologically the science exists for:
* immortality - all medical solutions to solve all diseases with practically zero cost expenditure
* infinite energy
* teleportation/instantaneous zero cost transportation
* food generation (and matter replication of any substance or material)
* instantaneous zero cost communications

The above is kept hidden by the scarcity purveyors.

Thanks again for your post. Thanks Pris for this thread. It's not that hard to understand "scarcity manipulation" (for profit and slavery).

I truly wish others would understand it and act upon it.

One can play around with capitalism, or any other 'ism' and keep some type of ruling class (establishing a hierarchical unequality) and thereby try to justify 'profit'. The nature of 'profit' is to establish unequality and imbalance, getting something for nothing (by using whatever slight of hand justification is possible by a highly adept 'word spinner' attempting to detract from the focus, abundance can exist if scarcity manipulation (for profit) can be eliminated)..

A person or animal may "store" commodity for hard times or to smooth out the production consumption cycle; that is not 'profiting' from the abundance of a harvest, but putting material produced in storage to allow for consumption. There are "time cycles" in the way the environment is set-up. In those time cycles from planting to reaping there is the period from where the new cycle uses a large amount of time to get to the reaping part.

Technologically the 'time lag' can be altered to bypass the issue of the shortage period.. The manipulators of scarcity force on the members of society an artificial way of getting over the hump, and thereby establish the slavery concept..

Those manipulators have stopped technological augmentation shortening the time cycle, which would allow for all products, all needs to be obtained.. to perpetuate the "profit motive" scarcity mentality (have to save for the future shortage, have to borrow in the present ...).

Where the conspiracy exists, it is in the allowance of the manipulators to perpetuate the use of scarcity for their own profit.

Useful references: http://www.theenvironmentsite.org/sc...the-big-lie-2/
http://www.apa.org/monitor/2014/02/scarcity.aspx

The problem is that with the increased ability of humanity to produce items through technology, the only way to effectively maintain scarcity is through manipulation.

We are told constantly that there isn’t enough energy to go around, but what this really means is that the companies which control the energy don’t want to lose control. While there are multiple means to provide energy the arguments are all centered on cost; we are told that the cost of switching to renewable and accessible energy is simply too high.

Of course, this is not true.

[Hermit]

To show how a communist system can work, it needs to work without money. Of course communism hasn't worked so far -- money always gets in there and corrupts things.

Even more serious than that Pris: Marx's entire model of the revolution has, unfortunately, never functioned. And that might have to do with the fact that if you dig deep enough you'll realize that he faked his empirical data...which basically renders everything else the man wrote suspect.

Let that one sink in. Then look at the last 200 years of socialist thought, and let it really sink in.

Barter=capitalism. I can go on and on with how the First Nations used a barter system in North America for literally almost 64,000 years. Let that one sink in. Sixty Four Thousand Years of community-based capitalism. Of course its based on a very simple premise: I have something you want, you have something I want, let's trade; it even goes as deep as the spiritual principle of offering tobacco before taking anything from the Earth. You have something I want, I have something you want, I offer you tobacco. Tobacco, as an aside, offered itself to the human being because of all the animals, the human had nothing to give back of it's own accord and needed something.

Communism simply does not work for a hundred reasons. Period. It can't because it's principle architect can't be trusted with the very basic writings on socialist thought.

Sawwy.

[Hermit]

Premise 1. The definition of capitalism is, in modern economic discourse, used incorrectly and mistakenly defined. When an economist speaks of capitalism, they are actually referring to a mixed economy or interventionist model.

Premise 2. Money is not God. If one believes that money is the root of evil, one is subject to the assertion they are best to leave the root of evil behind. There's a guy stateside that did this, someone out there must have seen the youtube vid that was done on him. He did, walk away, and is living quite happily and quite comfortably. If you have are not attached to money, does it not follow you will not be attached to the evils associated with it?

Premise 3. I really do like the ideas behind the UBUNTU movement. Now that something we can agree upon! But...lol BUT!

I was thinking about this when I was waking up this morning and how society has this unhealthy dependence on crude oil, what's happening in the middle/near east right now with Iran, and all that junket. I thought back to a campaign that went viral on the internet a few years ago, asking everyone to boycott one "gas station" company for one day, the theory being that if we, as consumers, could just get up the initiative to hurt one company the entire racket would realize that they don't have us by the proverbial baseballs. It didn't work. This is the thing that really hit me square in the gut today. The reason it didn't work was because people, as a rule, are not willing to give up their comfort in trade for their freedom.

Now how sick is that for Premise 4. People are not willing to give up their comfort for their freedom. That's kind of the punch behind the give up your money thing. If we all sent the same amount of time, or more, working with the poor instead of sitting at our computers talking about what "could" be the global conspiracy....

Premise 5. Just as guilty as all, why don't we want to give up our comfort? And, more importantly, who's behind giving us that comfort to begin with? If it's a matter of shaking up our comfort to do something.... If the comet is going to strike, and let's say for the sake of argument it is right now in the sky streaking towards the planet, the laughable reality is most people? They're going to take out their cell phones and take selfies with the comet behind them.

As I stated in another thread today, what is the greater of the two sins? Using someone knowingly for your benefit, or knowing allowing yourself to be used?

Turn off the computer. Go help old people. I do it every day. They don't even know what a selfie is.

ps: what you're describing the UBUNTU movement as doing? Surprise, Pris. That's what capitalism really is. PM me. I have a link to a lecture given back, way back, in the 1980's that may shed some light on my position better than I'm doing. More often than not, when I attempt to describe what I think I end up just putting a shoe between my teeth and biting down.



So I guess the root question I'm asking is:

Although I can stand with the sentiment behind what you're saying, and although I can say that I'm actively making changes in my life to reduce the dependancy on the "evil" at the end of the root, what is it going to take to get people to feel uncomfortable enough to start treating people with the dignity and respect they're entitled to? What is it going to take to get people to give up their comfort and see the reality, that the comfort they're loving is actually the slow elevator to hell? And even more interesting, do we continue to try or get off the car and just let it go?

I'm not sure which side of that question I sit on. Most days, I run into people who just ... its not that they can't see the forest for the trees, they are as thick as trees. Every once and a while someone gives me hope. And then....

Being a hermit isn't so bad. Just in case, we should trade addresses in case we need to trade tomatoes for carbon n' sugar.

[Pris]

It's a brilliant snapshot of the past, present and future of the grand economic deception that will eventually enslave the vast majority of the world population.

Eventually? The vast majority -- if not the entire population -- of the world is already enslaved.

[ronin]

The Abolition of The Monetary System

just sayin anyone wishing to get rid of their money can send it my way and i will dipose of it.
recycle anyone?

[Pris]

Premise 1. The definition of capitalism is, in modern economic discourse, used incorrectly and mistakenly defined. When an economist speaks of capitalism, they are actually referring to a mixed economy or interventionist model.

Premise 2. Money is not God. If one believes that money is the root of evil, one is subject to the assertion they are best to leave the root of evil behind. There's a guy stateside that did this, someone out there must have seen the youtube vid that was done on him. He did, walk away, and is living quite happily and quite comfortably. If you have are not attached to money, does it not follow you will not be attached to the evils associated with it?

Premise 3. I really do like the ideas behind the UBUNTU movement. Now that something we can agree upon! But...lol BUT!

I was thinking about this when I was waking up this morning and how society has this unhealthy dependence on crude oil, what's happening in the middle/near east right now with Iran, and all that junket. I thought back to a campaign that went viral on the internet a few years ago, asking everyone to boycott one "gas station" company for one day, the theory being that if we, as consumers, could just get up the initiative to hurt one company the entire racket would realize that they don't have us by the proverbial baseballs. It didn't work. This is the thing that really hit me square in the gut today. The reason it didn't work was because people, as a rule, are not willing to give up their comfort in trade for their freedom.

Now how sick is that for Premise 4. People are not willing to give up their comfort for their freedom. That's kind of the punch behind the give up your money thing. If we all sent the same amount of time, or more, working with the poor instead of sitting at our computers talking about what "could" be the global conspiracy....

Premise 5. Just as guilty as all, why don't we want to give up our comfort? And, more importantly, who's behind giving us that comfort to begin with? If it's a matter of shaking up our comfort to do something.... If the comet is going to strike, and let's say for the sake of argument it is right now in the sky streaking towards the planet, the laughable reality is most people? They're going to take out their cell phones and take selfies with the comet behind them.

As I stated in another thread today, what is the greater of the two sins? Using someone knowingly for your benefit, or knowing allowing yourself to be used?

Turn off the computer. Go help old people. I do it every day. They don't even know what a selfie is.

ps: what you're describing the UBUNTU movement as doing? Surprise, Pris. That's what capitalism really is. PM me. I have a link to a lecture given back, way back, in the 1980's that may shed some light on my position better than I'm doing. More often than not, when I attempt to describe what I think I end up just putting a shoe between my teeth and biting down.



So I guess the root question I'm asking is:

Although I can stand with the sentiment behind what you're saying, and although I can say that I'm actively making changes in my life to reduce the dependancy on the "evil" at the end of the root, what is it going to take to get people to feel uncomfortable enough to start treating people with the dignity and respect they're entitled to? What is it going to take to get people to give up their comfort and see the reality, that the comfort they're loving is actually the slow elevator to hell? And even more interesting, do we continue to try or get off the car and just let it go?

I'm not sure which side of that question I sit on. Most days, I run into people who just ... its not that they can't see the forest for the trees, they are as thick as trees. Every once and a while someone gives me hope. And then....

Being a hermit isn't so bad. Just in case, we should trade addresses in case we need to trade tomatoes for carbon n' sugar.

I can see why you're a hermit, Milneman.

[Pris]

The Abolition of The Monetary System

just sayin anyone wishing to get rid of their money can send it my way and i will dipose of it.
recycle anyone?

So funny I forgot to laugh.

[Pris]

Hi Novusod - just got a chance to read Pris's thread, and saw your post Novusod.

I can agree 100% with your post - the manipulation of scarcity for enslavement is the issue..
http://jandeane81.com/threads/6105-T...#post841912420

Abundance IS the reality, abundance being hidden is the issue, or removing from people the ability to choose abundance based systems, verses scarcity perceived systems.. Abundance is being kept hidden by the slaveres, or spun so that people can't ever see it or even expect that it can be located.

Technologically the science exists for:
* immortality - all medical solutions to solve all diseases with practically zero cost expenditure
* infinite energy
* teleportation/instantaneous zero cost transportation
* food generation (and matter replication of any substance or material)
* instantaneous zero cost communications

The above is kept hidden by the scarcity purveyors.

Thanks again for your post. Thanks Pris for this thread. It's not that hard to understand "scarcity manipulation" (for profit and slavery).

I truly wish others would understand it and act upon it.

One can play around with capitalism, or any other 'ism' and keep some type of ruling class (establishing a hierarchical unequality) and thereby try to justify 'profit'. The nature of 'profit' is to establish unequality and imbalance, getting something for nothing (by using whatever slight of hand justification is possible by a highly adept 'word spinner' attempting to detract from the focus, abundance can exist if scarcity manipulation (for profit) can be eliminated)..

A person or animal may "store" commodity for hard times or to smooth out the production consumption cycle; that is not 'profiting' from the abundance of a harvest, but putting material produced in storage to allow for consumption. There are "time cycles" in the way the environment is set-up. In those time cycles from planting to reaping there is the period from where the new cycle uses a large amount of time to get to the reaping part.

Technologically the 'time lag' can be altered to bypass the issue of the shortage period.. The manipulators of scarcity force on the members of society an artificial way of getting over the hump, and thereby establish the slavery concept..

Those manipulators have stopped technological augmentation shortening the time cycle, which would allow for all products, all needs to be obtained.. to perpetuate the "profit motive" scarcity mentality (have to save for the future shortage, have to borrow in the present ...).

Where the conspiracy exists, it is in the allowance of the manipulators to perpetuate the use of scarcity for their own profit.

Useful references: http://www.theenvironmentsite.org/sc...the-big-lie-2/
http://www.apa.org/monitor/2014/02/scarcity.aspx

I'm giving this a ! Thanks, Bob!

[Hermit]

The Abolition of The Monetary System

just sayin anyone wishing to get rid of their money can send it my way and i will dipose of it.
recycle anyone?

HA!!!!!!!!!

[Pris]

The Abolition of The Monetary System

just sayin anyone wishing to get rid of their money can send it my way and i will dipose of it.
recycle anyone?

HA!!!!!!!!!

This requires two of these:

[norman]

The Abolition of The Monetary System

just sayin anyone wishing to get rid of their money can send it my way and i will dipose of it.
recycle anyone?

HA!!!!!!!!!

This requires two of these:

Money is harder/more real the less of it you have.

Your post reminds me of the saying that goes:

Kill one person, and you are put in a high security slam up jail.

Kill 10 people, and you are put in a high security sanatorium where you can occasionally walk around the gardens.

Kill 10,000 people, and you are invited to a peace conference.


That's SO like how money manifests itself.

[Tonz]

Your post reminds me of the saying that goes:

Kill one person, and you are put in a high security slam up jail.

Kill 10 people, and you are put in a high security sanatorium where you can occasionally walk around the gardens.

Kill 10,000 people, and you are invited to a peace conference.


That's SO like how money manifests itself.

And your post norman reminded me of a story from India , i forget the names and time ect but this stuck with me.:

where a female rebel leader not that long ago was told that because you have killed two people means that they will hunt you ,capture you, torture you and en prison you till your death . Kill 40 people and they will negotiate .

Money seems to have the same effect on people.