Woah... really! You mean using briquettes or natural charcoal? I know white sugar is more poison than food, but I had no idea it has 'explosive' qualities when ground with charcoal.Originally posted by Milneman
AWESOME!
Gee, thanks gardener.I've missed y'all, too.
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Due to an administrative error, we've lost some pages of comments.
I will attempt to patch together what I have from notifications and from memory.
Much is missing, but I think I got the gist.
Milneman: Best bet? Pick up some inexpensive aquarium filter charcoal. Never goes old. Always good to have around.
Pris: Already ahead of you!
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Jano: Thanks Pris for the Tread, very interesting to follow the different posts, and your commenting.
IMHO, if you "Abolish the Monetary System" a very dependable "medium" of exchange, what do you replaced with?
In the known history of human, every possible "means" of exchange have been tried, it started as we know with "barter".
And with Emperors, Dictators, etc, they printed out coins as a means of exchange, and today, all that was tried is what we see going on now, a Central Bank in one country who control the flow of money (to control the buying power of money)! So if you abolish this one, you have to put up another one up, will it be better?, and how to make it such that it would be better for people..? At the end of a certain period of time, it will begin to show signs of wear, corruption, etc.
I think that the Monetary System is a well thought out system, but, the wealthy people (has the means to facilitate their needs of money) use it more wisely than we can. But what can we do to make it more efficient for the people, not the wealty? I think that we have to plan for a People Oriented Central Bank where everyone has a real chance of being served reasonably, with equity. How may we start such a movement?
The best to you Pris!
Pris: (from memory) Thank you, Jano! We need to abolish all forms of money including barter and trade because they all cause disparity.
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norman: In my opinion, a system of exchange ( even barter ) should end up feeling as unnatural globally as it does within a loving family.
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Pris: Trade causes disparity because someone will always have more to trade than someone else.
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Melidae: I think you and I are 'on the same page', Pris. We can envision what life would be like with abundance...there would be no need to trade or exchange anything. Work, as we know it now, would not exist...there would be no need for a 'job'. Is following your passion and doing what you love considered work? Crime would go down, if not disappear completely, for there would be no need to take from another if we all have plenty.
It is a concept difficult for most people to understand.
All current 'systems' would have to go. We can start this now by not supporting the existing systems. Why would you want to work at a job that continues and supports any system that enslaves? They are put into place by the controllers, but we are the fools that make the system work and ensure their continuance.
Pris: Thank you, Melidae! No clearer words could be spoken.
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elbie: abolishing monetary system may be a bright idea on the part of 'non haves' i.e usa, the fed etc..it's not if you asked the chinese. that't where all the money is held these days.
they also own most debt by the west .. why would they consider moneyless society? it's obvous to me that they want their investment back and more.
according to financial articles, there's at least 50 more years for their economy to grow..stalling is not in sight for china.
Pris: Thanks, Elbie. Please refer to my last comment (missing) -- Melidae said it best. If you don't like something, don't support it.
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Elbie: thank you too for referring me to the post, thanks to which I now know what your OP is all on about. I had an idea that it invited non-utopian thought as well.
as it is, according to the ongoing world ecomomics, depriving one of carrying cash would only mean a COMPLETE enslavement.
but yours is a projection into some future nature of human society. fingers crossed it would come to pass one fine day.
Pris: (from memory) Excellent point -- within the present, corrupt system, depriving one of carrying cash would not be good. It would be like George Orwel's 1984 on steroids.
How do you define 'complete enslavement'? One is either enslaved or one is not, don't you think? You may not see the prison bars, but they are there.
Thank you, but I can neither take credit for 'The Venus Project' nor for 'UBUNTU Contribution'ism''. But, I like the ideas very much.
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Pris: (from memory, slight adlib) Michael Tellinger is already working the UBUNTU contributionism model in South Africa. In fact, people are organizing all around the world.
Meanwhile, Michael has a free-energy device on order to ultimately power his UBUNTU community and surrounding communities with free energy. I'm watching with mild interest. Of course, the biggest hurtle, should it be true, is to run the device without government interference or sabotage.
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PurpleLama (1st April 2015)
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Snowy Owl: So you know.. I am already doing many of the things that are being suggested in this thread. I think it is important to create the space for what's to come.
Pris: Yes!
Do you like The Venus Project? (Talk about it!)
Do you like UBUNTU Contributionism? (Join a movement in your country!)
Do you like being a sharing, compassionate person?
Do you hate what you see out there and want the world to be a better place?
Then, live it.
Live as if it is already happening. By doing so, we create the world we want to live in.
Live the world you wish to see.
Here are some ideas off the top of my head.
→These ideas may not be for everyone!←
■ Contribute your time, energy and/or services freely to worthy causes.
■ Give away what you don't need.
■ Grow your own food. Share surplus with your neighbours.
■ If you haven't a garden, join a community garden.
■ Sprout your own food.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdCFzM242sg
■ Buy healthy food and eat raw as often as possible.
■ Avoid GMOs. Eat organic as often as possible (watch the codes).
■ Avoid white sugar, Canola oil, margarine, high fructose corn syrup, carbonated beverages, MSG (often disguised as 'natural flavour'), artificial sweeteners (like Aspartame, Splenda, and Neotame), alcohol, caffeine, black teas (fluoride), processed foods, preservatives, white flour (bleached), wheat (not ancient grain khorasan), additives including 'vitamins' and 'minerals' (find bio-available/organic sources and add them yourself so you know what you're getting or eat raw fruits and veggies), table salt (and limit all other salt), etc.
■ Drink pure water. Distill your own.
■ Go vegan. If this isn't for you, at least cut back on meat and animal products.
■ Avoid eating/using products with animal ingredients and/or tested on animals.
■ Keep yourself healthy. If you require help, seek out holistic practitioners.
■ Avoid prescription drugs as best as you can.
■ Avoid vaccinations and flu shots.
■ Get rid of your amalgam (mercury) fillings.
■ Avoid toxins/poisons (like fluoride and parabens) in regular household products.
■ Use fluoride-free toothpaste or brush with baking soda.
■ Get by with as little as possible. Buy second hand. The less money you use, the less you support the current, corrupt system that requires you to be a consumer and a slave. The less you need, the less dependent you are.
■ Stop buying products or engaging in activities that directly supports the 'Illuminati'/Cabal (the military industrial complex).
■ Stop using a cell phone! If you can't do that, at least cut back on usage. Don't let them track you, spy on you, and otherwise irradiate you.
►http://www.examiner.com/article/how-...tion-emissions
■ Get a landline. Stop using wireless devices -- go back to wires!
■ Don't buy anything 'Smart'.
►http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...h-devices.html
■ Avoid being part of the 'Internet of Things'.
►http://www.mnn.com/green-tech/gadget...an-evil-botnet
■ Hold on to your analog meter -- don't get a Smart Meter. Avoid exposure to dangerous non-ionizing, non-thermal, pulsed radiation. If you have a Smart Meter, shield it.
►http://www.instructables.com/id/Smar...hield/?lang=de
►http://stopsmartmeters.org/frequentl...rement-issues/
A Smart Meter will record all your personal electrical consumption minute by minute and sent it back to the utility company. This information is easily open to hackers/thieves who can determine when you are away from home.
Smart Meters increase 'dirty electricity'.
Smart Meters are a fire hazard.
Smart Meters are used to communicate with The Internet of Things, track your electrical consumption, and send that information to your utility company (for data farming and government spying purposes eg. NSA, CIA) by piggybacking on other Smart Meter signals in the Smart Grid. This blankets entire communities in dangerous wireless radio frequency/microwave radiation.
►http://stopsmartmeters.org/
■ Use incandescent light bulbs or LEDs.
■ Avoid CFLs (contain mercury, emit high EMFs) and halogen bulbs (emit high EMFs).
■ Use search engines like DuckDuckGo and Startpage that don't track you.
■ Get off The Grid. If you can't do that, try to cut back on power use and/or find alternatives to your utilities.
■ Home school.
■ Don't join the military.
■ Don't vote.
It seems my post got deleted during the rollback so I will restate my opinion.
I am all for the complete abolition of the monetary system.
Money was created to enslave humanity through a system of Babylonian money magic of precarious usury. Money is used to extract wealth from the world by making people think they are free. In our capitalist world People freely turn over the sweat of their labor for worthless paper controlled by bankers. It is because of money that we end up with problems of artificial scarcity.
Look at this picture. These are NOT sand bags. This is rotting grain. Millions and millions of tonns of rotting grain. Enough grain was destroyed in 2010 to end world hunger.
This grain was destroyed because there wasn't enough of the devil's money to pay for it. In a capitalist society scarce things are more valuable than abundant things. So we foolishly destroy the natural abundance of Earth to an artificial scarcity. What you are seeing is millions and millions of tonns of grain that was purposely destroyed so that meme of artificial scarcity could be maintained. Every bag represents a life ruined. Every bag represents a malnourished child that had to go to bed hungry. This is the real life holocaust.
LISTEN to me. Poverty is an artifical construct created by banks, money, and greed.
Let me tell you about the meme of artificial scarcity.
We have lots of idle factories that could be producing stuff but are shut down.
We have plenty of demand for the products made in those factories but still they do not operate.
We have millions of unemployed workers who want to work in those factories but are not allowed.
We have millions of empty homes and millions of homeless people. Why is that?
We live in a time of phenomenal abundance but there is poverty everywhere.
Food is left to rot in the field while people starve.
Real abundance is being destroyed. WHY?
It is called artificial scarcity. Do you really think people would work these lousy wage slave jobs if there was not the ever present threat of death by starvation hanging over people's heads. That is how the modern day slave system works. It is about controlling people either through their jobs or through government socialism. Either way you are a slave to the system. It is system that destroys the natural abundance of human production so that those at the bottom of society are held captive to the whims of the people whole rule at the top of the social pyramid. They want us all competing against each other in Hobbsian struggle for survival. The Hunger Games is an apt analogy for how the world really exists behind the scenes. If there was no hunger than there would be NO games. I don't know about you but I grow tired of these hunger games and am here to bust this system by exposing it.
Factories have intrinsic value
Fields of grain have intrinsic value
Workers earning an honest living have intrinsic value
What has no intrinsic value is money, banks, and stock markets and yet these worthless things are the most highly prized in our society. This needs to change.
Artificial scarcity is the biggest lie ever told. The idea that everything is scarce is a huge lie. There is no poverty. It is all fake, all lies. Poverty is manufactured via a system of debt, wage slavery, and government socialism. We live in a world of phenomenal abundance where nobody ever has to starve. Grain can flow like sand in a desert if people can learn to see through the lies. There does not have to be a hunger games style competition between the world's people if they can see the bigger picture. People do not have to fight to the death over the lie of limited resources.
The defenders of the current limited paradigm will argue there is not enough money to pay for all the jobs, homes, and food for everyone. But they forget money is NOT the be all end all of wealth. Money is merely an abstraction that exists to facilitate trade. However, money in the modern corporate capitalist sense does NOT facilitate trade. It does the opposite, it restricts trade because it is all hoarded by a super elite group of rich people and there is nothing left for the average person. When the average person is enslaved to money then trade for all practical purposes grinds to a halt. This is why the factories stopped running and why food rots in the field. There is no trade so everything goes to waste.
In the near future people will be free to create what they want like they did before there were banks. All trade will have to be of real value. Sweat will be traded for sweat. The middle man will be cut out and we will be truly free. We are surrounded by riches yet our governments and corporations manufacturer poverty to control us. There is going to be a revolution. We of the light demand it and will manifest it when the time comes.
Access to food is a human right.
Access to housing is a human right.
Access to decent medical care is a human right.
None of these things are scarce but exist in great abundance. These truths are so obvious they should not even be questioned.
This one didn't go to my inbox, so thank you for reposting your wonderful comment, Novusod.It seems my post got deleted during the rollback so I will restate my opinion.
I am all for the complete abolition of the monetary system.
Money was created to enslave humanity through a system of Babylonian money magic of precarious usury. Money is used to extract wealth from the world by making people think they are free. In our capitalist world People freely turn over the sweat of their labor for worthless paper controlled by bankers. It is because of money that we end up with problems of artificial scarcity.
Look at this picture. These are NOT sand bags. This is rotting grain. Millions and millions of tonns of rotting grain. Enough grain was destroyed in 2010 to end world hunger.
This grain was destroyed because there wasn't enough of the devil's money to pay for it. In a capitalist society scarce things are more valuable than abundant things. So we foolishly destroy the natural abundance of Earth to an artificial scarcity. What you are seeing is millions and millions of tonns of grain that was purposely destroyed so that meme of artificial scarcity could be maintained. Every bag represents a life ruined. Every bag represents a malnourished child that had to go to bed hungry. This is the real life holocaust.
LISTEN to me. Poverty is an artifical construct created by banks, money, and greed.
Let me tell you about the meme of artificial scarcity.
We have lots of idle factories that could be producing stuff but are shut down.
We have plenty of demand for the products made in those factories but still they do not operate.
We have millions of unemployed workers who want to work in those factories but are not allowed.
We have millions of empty homes and millions of homeless people. Why is that?
We live in a time of phenomenal abundance but there is poverty everywhere.
Food is left to rot in the field while people starve.
Real abundance is being destroyed. WHY?
It is called artificial scarcity. Do you really think people would work these lousy wage slave jobs if there was not the ever present threat of death by starvation hanging over people's heads. That is how the modern day slave system works. It is about controlling people either through their jobs or through government socialism. Either way you are a slave to the system. It is system that destroys the natural abundance of human production so that those at the bottom of society are held captive to the whims of the people whole rule at the top of the social pyramid. They want us all competing against each other in Hobbsian struggle for survival. The Hunger Games is an apt analogy for how the world really exists behind the scenes. If there was no hunger than there would be NO games. I don't know about you but I grow tired of these hunger games and am here to bust this system by exposing it.
Factories have intrinsic value
Fields of grain have intrinsic value
Workers earning an honest living have intrinsic value
What has no intrinsic value is money, banks, and stock markets and yet these worthless things are the most highly prized in our society. This needs to change.
Artificial scarcity is the biggest lie ever told. The idea that everything is scarce is a huge lie. There is no poverty. It is all fake, all lies. Poverty is manufactured via a system of debt, wage slavery, and government socialism. We live in a world of phenomenal abundance where nobody ever has to starve. Grain can flow like sand in a desert if people can learn to see through the lies. There does not have to be a hunger games style competition between the world's people if they can see the bigger picture. People do not have to fight to the death over the lie of limited resources.
The defenders of the current limited paradigm will argue there is not enough money to pay for all the jobs, homes, and food for everyone. But they forget money is NOT the be all end all of wealth. Money is merely an abstraction that exists to facilitate trade. However, money in the modern corporate capitalist sense does NOT facilitate trade. It does the opposite, it restricts trade because it is all hoarded by a super elite group of rich people and there is nothing left for the average person. When the average person is enslaved to money then trade for all practical purposes grinds to a halt. This is why the factories stopped running and why food rots in the field. There is no trade so everything goes to waste.
In the near future people will be free to create what they want like they did before there were banks. All trade will have to be of real value. Sweat will be traded for sweat. The middle man will be cut out and we will be truly free. We are surrounded by riches yet our governments and corporations manufacturer poverty to control us. There is going to be a revolution. We of the light demand it and will manifest it when the time comes.
Access to food is a human right.
Access to housing is a human right.
Access to decent medical care is a human right.
None of these things are scarce but exist in great abundance. These truths are so obvious they should not even be questioned.
If I recall, the only thing I addressed here was this:
My concern is that trade still causes disparity because someone will always have more to trade than someone else. Also, defining what constitutes 'sweat for sweat' is a slippery slope. The best thing would be to give freely without expectation of return -- whatever skill or service you have. Keeping a 'tally' would defeat the point.All trade will have to be of real value. Sweat will be traded for sweat. The middle man will be cut out and we will be truly free.
Please note: the 40 hour work week would be made obsolete. Whatever time one gives is an entirely personal choice (there may be some 'loose' rules as guidelines -- like three hrs/week community service) -- even if it's just to lend a helping hand once in awhile. Those who are unable to help will be taken care of. Those who choose not to help will, hopefully, see that their behaviour isn't conducive to the well-being of the community as a whole. Involvement would be encouraged, but not forced. It's about asking everyone to 'do the right thing'.
Everyone's needs will be met, and eventually, 'wants' will be met as well. There are no limits. The only 'limits' that might be imposed would be to use common sense. For example, let's say you need a vehicle. If you only require one, then wanting ten would not be encouraged because that would be a waste of resources -- resources better spent elsewhere. Everyone needs to think of the community as a whole -- not just of themselves.
All the basic needs of housing, food, clothing, healthcare could be met fairly easily after we stop destroying the natural abundance of the planet in the name of artificial scarcity. The concern that trade leads to inequality does not pan out in a world of natural abundance.
From what I have heard in advanced ET civilizations buildings of all sizes and designs are erected by focused thought and visualization. Everyone has a choice of house or apartment in a city or living in a rural environment. They are free to fill their homes with whatever possessions they desire. It is noteworthy that the most highly evolved souls choose humble dwellings and people who choose mansions later feel uncomfortable with such opulence. It is analogous to table manners at an all you can eat restaurant. People who are used to scarcity will gorge themselves until the point of pain. After people get used to the abundance they learn to control themselves. People don't naturally behave like pack rats and hoarders. That is programmed behavior via advertising and ego boosting propaganda. In a service to others paradigm the economy is self regulating and there are no need for limitations.
Spot on!
Right -- because there is no need for trade in a world of natural abundance -- based on a moneyless system (that automatically includes all trade and barter). Don't you see? There will always be inequity with trading. Trading is no different than using money. When you assign different degrees of value to everything, greed/corruption kicks in.The concern that trade leads to inequality does not pan out in a world of natural abundance.
In a moneyless system, there may be centres for 'exchange' -- like public libraries of things where you can 'borrow' something and return it when you no longer need it.
Also, I think you nicely addressed what happens if someone wants, for example, a rare item -- like a one-of-a-kind painting -- all to themselves. Something like that ought to be kept in an public art gallery for all to enjoy. If someone really 'likes' it and wants it in their home, they could have a 'copy' replicated. It's all about 'table manners'.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo.../reply47554885
Its an interesting if unverifiable data point in support of the OP.
Sometimes God shines his magic light beam from outer space, and it works in mysterious ways.
Pris (3rd April 2015)
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Here's Jacque Fresco giving one of his talks. He makes some terrific points.
Please note: there is some swearing and language some people may find offensive.
sandy (5th April 2015)
Why do I have to continually unpack this stuff? What does everyone get from believing this nonsense?
I am all for the complete abolition of the monetary system.
So you're in favour of Communism. It doesn't work. Even the remaining Communist countries are moving to a mixed economy system where government controls regulate the markets.
If you're not in favour of communism, may I ask how you plan on eliminating "greed" and "sloth" from the equation?
Novusod, you're making a classical mistake of reasoning here. Let me ask you, what exactly is the monetary system? How do you define the monetary system in the context of a capitalist society?
Money was created to enslave humanity through a system of Babylonian money magic of precarious usury. Money is used to extract wealth from the world by making people think they are free. In our capitalist world People freely turn over the sweat of their labor for worthless paper controlled by bankers. It is because of money that we end up with problems of artificial scarcity.
That, my friend, is not Capitalism. That is a mixed-economy/interventionist system.
I challenge anyone to name one country who's government has not enforced controls over their economic system. I know I'm splitting hairs here, but it is critical that people who enter into this discussion realize that they've got the gun pointing in the wrong direction and if you continue, you're going to shoot off your foot!
LISTEN to me. Poverty is an artifical construct created by banks, money, and greed.
Agreed. Now listen to me, my friend. Poverty does not exist in a capitalist system. The problem is, nobody's tried a capitalist system yet! As for the other side, I merely need to point out the incredible adverse poverty that existed in socialist countries towards the end and immediately after the fall of Communism.
Let me tell you about the meme of artificial scarcity.
Well if that doesn't support the idea of an interventionist model, I don't know what does.
We have lots of idle factories that could be producing stuff but are shut down.
We have plenty of demand for the products made in those factories but still they do not operate.
We have millions of unemployed workers who want to work in those factories but are not allowed.
We have millions of empty homes and millions of homeless people. Why is that?
We live in a time of phenomenal abundance but there is poverty everywhere.
Food is left to rot in the field while people starve.
Real abundance is being destroyed. WHY?
Because interventionist/mixed economics systems create:
...artificial scarcity. Do you really think people would work these lousy wage slave jobs if there was not the ever present threat of death by starvation hanging over people's heads. That is how the modern day slave system works. It is about controlling people either through their jobs or through government socialism. Either way you are a slave to the system. It is system that destroys the natural abundance of human production so that those at the bottom of society are held captive to the whims of the people whole rule at the top of the social pyramid. They want us all competing against each other in Hobbsian struggle for survival. The Hunger Games is an apt analogy for how the world really exists behind the scenes. If there was no hunger than there would be NO games. I don't know about you but I grow tired of these hunger games and am here to bust this system by exposing it.
Capitalism in its truest form dictates, among other things, that:
Factories have intrinsic value
Fields of grain have intrinsic value
Workers earning an honest living have intrinsic value
A mixed economic system dictates that (w)hat has ... intrinsic value is money, banks, and stock markets and yet these worthless things are the most highly prized in our society. This needs to change.
The defenders of the current limited paradigm will argue there is not enough money to pay for all the jobs, homes, and food for everyone. But they forget money is NOT the be all end all of wealth. Money is merely an abstraction that exists to facilitate trade. However, money in the modern corporate capitalist sense does NOT facilitate trade. It does the opposite, it restricts trade because it is all hoarded by a super elite group of rich people and there is nothing left for the average person. When the average person is enslaved to money then trade for all practical purposes grinds to a halt. This is why the factories stopped running and why food rots in the field. There is no trade so everything goes to waste.
Which is why we need to move closer towards a capitalist system, and further from a socialist/mixed economic system.
In the near future people will be free to create what they want like they did before there were banks. All trade will have to be of real value. Sweat will be traded for sweat. The middle man will be cut out and we will be truly free. We are surrounded by riches yet our governments and corporations manufacturer poverty to control us. There is going to be a revolution. We of the light demand it and will manifest it when the time comes.
My friend, let me tell you about the lie of the revolution.
There has first of all never been a socialist revolution that has ended in a classless society. We are, however, extremely familiar with the "dictatorship" of the proletariat. But let's back away from the Marxist model of the revolution and take a look at what you're suggesting at a bare bones, plain old closer to reality model. People want to revolt, but they don't know clearly what it is they're revolting against, or what they want to evolve into post-revolution. They are screaming for change but have no idea what they want to change, so they lash out at money. Money is not the problem. People are the problem.
I agree that a revolution has to take place, but it needs to begin by vacuuming under our own beds, doing our own dishes, washing our own clothes, being nice to our own neighbours.
My friend, have you ever gone a month without telling a lie of any kind? Try it. That's a revolution.
Access to food is a human right.
Access to housing is a human right.
Access to decent medical care is a human right.
None of these things are scarce but exist in great abundance. These truths are so obvious they should not even be questioned.
They can and will be questioned, and here's why. And it's really simple. Until people understand the terms they are using correctly, they potentially risk causing damages far greater by fixing the problems with an incorrectly interpreted solution. Until people correctly understand what they're trying to accomplish, there will only ever be one thing: people acting in chaos, and those who profit from it. You play the game by continuing to believe the false reality. Read. Inform yourself!
I see this on forums and in conversations over and over again, people mistakingly thinking the problem is with the economic system, with money. Do your homework, because when you do you're going to discover that what you're asserting is based on a false understanding of the facts. Communities that barter thrive. Why? Capitalism. Plain and simple. You have something that I want, I have something that you want, let's trade. The system you're suggesting would end, I'm afraid, at the end of a gun.
Read "Animal Farm". Then read some Marx. I'm gonna tell you what I told Pris. Get books, not internet.
OR
If you're so disgusted with the monetary system, then stand behind your words: Sell everything you own, give everything away to the poor, and walk in the world a free being.
Which amounts to a polite way of saying put up, or shut up.
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modwiz (5th April 2015), PurpleLama (5th April 2015)
To show how a communist system can work, it needs to work without money. Of course communism hasn't worked so far -- money always gets in there and corrupts things.
Hermit (9th April 2015), PurpleLama (5th April 2015), Tonz (6th April 2015)
The International Monetary System & The Future Of Money
A MIND BLOWING lecture by Shiekh (not Sheikh) Imran Hosein on the how & why of the inevitable collapse of the dollar and the paper money system.
If you, like me, are not into (organized) religion - Islam in this case - you should skip the first 10 minutes and start the video at 10:30.
The Shiekh has a very pleasant voice to listen to, is also quite witty at times and has a super interesting tale to tell.
I PROMISE YOU, IT WILL ENLIGHTEN & BRIGHTEN YOU!
I'd like to add that when I started watching this lecture I more or less expected to zap it away after a couple of minutes, but I didn't and when it finished after one hour it felt like a much shorter time had past.
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This is just a snippet from your long... interesting comment, Milneman. I appreciate the effort. You say many things that just don't hold any water. If you've been following along with this thread, you'd see what I mean. People like Jacque Fresco and Michael Tellinger already did all the homework and have terrific arguments against pretty much everything you say to support Capitalism.
I don't want to trade this information with you. I want to share it with you, Milneman. And, I am. That's a beginning.
Btw, who wouldn't want to live in the world Jacque Fresco conjured up? I'd give it a chance. It couldn't be worse than what we have now. In fact, it looks a whole heck of a lot better. If that's Communism (and I'm not saying it is), it sure looks great. The key is the elimination of money/barter/trade in all this to end disparity and corruption.
May I ask, how does selling everything I own, giving everything away to the poor, allow me to walk in the world a free being? This world is 'ruled' by money. Money is God. If you are talking about disappearing into the woods and living like Grizzly Adams, even you would not be 'free'. Who 'owns' that forest you've made your home? If you are discovered, do you think 'they'll' let you continue to live on 'their' land for 'free'? Besides, how can you be 'free' when the rest of the world continues to be enslaved?
As an individual attempting to live without money/trade/barter, that's a rough road. Singularly, that does not accomplish much. That's why the start-up of UBUNTU communities holds great promise. It's better (and safer) to create a 'pocket' of people all wishing to live 'outside' the system. That way there's group support. The greatest challenge is putting the idea into action from inside a monetary system. Overcoming the fiction of 'land ownership' is another challenge. Becoming completely independent of the current, corrupt system is the goal while everyone in the UBUNTU community shares equally in the abundance they create.
Meantime, while other UBUNTU communities start up, they may, at first, trade with their fellow UBUNTU communities that have already gotten a foothold. This is only because we still live in a world driven by money. The ultimate goal is to stand independent so that trade will no longer be necessary. With UBUNTU communities flourishing, that sets an example for others who wish to join or wish to create more UBUNTU communities.
And, so it goes.
Could someone please make up a summation of this video for those of us without the time to watch it?
It's a brilliant snapshot of the past, present and future of the grand economic deception that will eventually enslave the vast majority of the world population.
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