The Abolition of The Monetary System

[Pris]

Meow ... dang it ... wrong thread ...

Amusing to the last you are, Calz.

[PurpleLama]

Out of the body I think we have no needs, because we think and we have.

You touch on the real problem, and the real solution right there. The problem being, it is how people think, that they may both create, or alternately, destroy. For a moneyless existence, much retraining of the thought processes would have to occur, within those immediately given to the idea and to anyone else should such a system ever come about. The desire to accumulate for power, for pleasure, for security in the face of scarcity, such is so ingrained into the collective psyche, no less among the poor as amongst the rich. It would take much in the way of reeducation or indoctrination (to call it what it is) to convince people to accept such, even those who have now the least and therefore would benefit the most.

[Pris]

I have a friend, who is rather impressed with 'what the web is becoming'. He sent me a link to this web site: https://www.fiverr.com/


So, I sent him this (not even my friends are safe from me ):


Course, everyone's still putting out their 5 cents lemonade sign to beat each other over the head with and try and outdo the other kids.

Now, I'd be impressed if everyone offered their services for free...

Close, but no cigar.

[Hermit]

How about, in echoing an episode of Dr. Who (name that episode lama!), "Everest in Easy Stages" while climbing a mountain with that scarf.

How can a philosopher not comment??

1. I know people were tired of hearing it over "there" (mmmmm bacon)....but the reality is that the capitalist model has never, ever, ever been attempted ANYWHERE. The reality is every single country that claims to be working under a capitalist model is working under a mixed-economy interventionist model. Name one country that does not, in any way shape or form, interfere and regulate the economic system it uses? You can't. Unless you move to a country which is still living in a quote primitive unquote society.

2. Because Socialism...Communism...requires the enemy "capitalism" to be what it is, it swings in the opposite direction but actually creates an imperial model of government. Case in point, China. China claims to have eliminated the imperialist system and moved closer to the classless society. The reality is the only thing that changed is where the court lives, and how the emperor is chosen. I point you to the reality of the "classless society" of lifechanyuan, a group of really interesting people that seem to be creating a classless agricultural society in China with some success...that are constantly being oppressed by the Government. Now why would that be?

3. The best chance of global prosperity actually exists with a capitalist model. But there's a catch. A society which uses a capitalist model has to be grounded on a principle of universal morality which can either be grounded in a) a religious model or b) a secular model, but that model has to be mutually agreed upon and upheld by the members of that society. Now we're talking a global society. Something is going to have to happen that is going to literally force humanity to change the deep ingrained beliefs about everything. Barter, for example, works well if it means that there's an equal trade, and a respect for the people involved in trading: if Purple has tomatoes that I need, and I have fish waste he could use to fertilize his tomatoes, maybe a carp to roast now and then, then we have a respect for each other because we have something the other needs, but deep down? We also have respect for the craftsmanship required in producing those goods.

When's the last time you looked at something made in China and observed respect for the craftsmanship involved?

Here's a list of things you can do to improve the elephant herd.

1. Eat within 10 km of your home.
2. Buy locally produced organic heritage seeds and grow your own. Now the important thing: give away your surplus. Give it away.
3. Sell your television. Sell your computer. Buy a book. A blank book. And pencils. Write. Daily.
4. Volunteer at a food bank.
5. Get to know the people who use the food bank.
6. Get involved with a spiritual community that is *not* an internet spiritually based community.
7. Go into your basement, or your closet, and turn every breaker in your house off for 24 hours.
8. Give up your car. This one was really tough for me but I'm glad I did.
9. No meat. Any meat. I haven't had red meat in a month. Holy crap do I feel good.
10. This is, perhaps, the most radical but comes from a long standing tradition, a western tradition mind you, of hermitage. Sell everything you own, give it to the poor, and go for a walk. Take with you a walking stick, the clothes on your back, and nothing more.

It will not happen in our generation. It may happen in successive ones. Baby steps. Everest in easy stages.

Pris, do you garden?

[Pris]

How about, in echoing an episode of Dr. Who (name that episode lama!), "Everest in Easy Stages" while climbing a mountain with that scarf.

How can a philosopher not comment??

1. I know people were tired of hearing it over "there" (mmmmm bacon)....but the reality is that the capitalist model has never, ever, ever been attempted ANYWHERE. The reality is every single country that claims to be working under a capitalist model is working under a mixed-economy interventionist model. Name one country that does not, in any way shape or form, interfere and regulate the economic system it uses? You can't. Unless you move to a country which is still living in a quote primitive unquote society.

2. Because Socialism...Communism...requires the enemy "capitalism" to be what it is, it swings in the opposite direction but actually creates an imperial model of government. Case in point, China. China claims to have eliminated the imperialist system and moved closer to the classless society. The reality is the only thing that changed is where the court lives, and how the emperor is chosen. I point you to the reality of the "classless society" of lifechanyuan, a group of really interesting people that seem to be creating a classless agricultural society in China with some success...that are constantly being oppressed by the Government. Now why would that be?

3. The best chance of global prosperity actually exists with a capitalist model. But there's a catch. A society which uses a capitalist model has to be grounded on a principle of universal morality which can either be grounded in a) a religious model or b) a secular model, but that model has to be mutually agreed upon and upheld by the members of that society. Now we're talking a global society. Something is going to have to happen that is going to literally force humanity to change the deep ingrained beliefs about everything. Barter, for example, works well if it means that there's an equal trade, and a respect for the people involved in trading: if Purple has tomatoes that I need, and I have fish waste he could use to fertilize his tomatoes, maybe a carp to roast now and then, then we have a respect for each other because we have something the other needs, but deep down? We also have respect for the craftsmanship required in producing those goods.

When's the last time you looked at something made in China and observed respect for the craftsmanship involved?

Here's a list of things you can do to improve the elephant herd.

1. Eat within 10 km of your home.
2. Buy locally produced organic heritage seeds and grow your own. Now the important thing: give away your surplus. Give it away.
3. Sell your television. Sell your computer. Buy a book. A blank book. And pencils. Write. Daily.
4. Volunteer at a food bank.
5. Get to know the people who use the food bank.
6. Get involved with a spiritual community that is *not* an internet spiritually based community.
7. Go into your basement, or your closet, and turn every breaker in your house off for 24 hours.
8. Give up your car. This one was really tough for me but I'm glad I did.
9. No meat. Any meat. I haven't had red meat in a month. Holy crap do I feel good.
10. This is, perhaps, the most radical but comes from a long standing tradition, a western tradition mind you, of hermitage. Sell everything you own, give it to the poor, and go for a walk. Take with you a walking stick, the clothes on your back, and nothing more.

It will not happen in our generation. It may happen in successive ones. Baby steps. Everest in easy stages.

Pris, do you garden?

My dear Milneman, it is already happening. Right now it is happening. It's happening with you and me.

I don't agree with everything you say, but with enough to have common ground.

I wish I had time for a garden. I spend all my time on the internet writing this 'shite'. But, I've done my best to cut myself out of the corrupt system in many ways.

[Hermit]

It ain't shite! Trust me, if you can fill one pot with soil and put one seed into that soil, you can garden. It totally is happening around us all the time, I agree.

The question I have...is will we be around while it continues to happen?

[Calz]

It ain't shite! Trust me, if you can fill one pot with soil and put one seed into that soil, you can garden. It totally is happening around us all the time, I agree.

The question I have...is will we be around while it continues to happen?

Oh boy ...

timelines ...

parallel dimensions ...


... look at the 3D history beneath our feet.


over and over again ...


Many theories offered to bypass the "cycle" and continue on ... right???


... ah well ... push comes to shove we will get cycled elsewhere to learn what we must.


Myself ... I want an ocean planet with ***no*** humans (tribe is allowed).


A dolphin's life is the life for me ...

[Hermit]

One thing I have come to learn is that you can visit the history of the universe by putting your hands into soil. You can understand time by watching seeds germinate. I am such a nut, an O.C.D. gardener it's insane...but it's really true! The secret of life is in tending life the way we were meant to tend it.

There's a doodle berry if I've ever written one.

[Pris]

It ain't shite! Trust me, if you can fill one pot with soil and put one seed into that soil, you can garden. It totally is happening around us all the time, I agree.

The question I have...is will we be around while it continues to happen?

Yeah, okay. I'm planting 'thought' seeds.

The question I have...is will we be around while it continues to happen?

Is... that a trick question? It's a continuum. It continues as we speak.

[Pris]

Oh boy ...

timelines ...

parallel dimensions ...


... look at the 3D history beneath our feet.


over and over again ...


Many theories offered to bypass the "cycle" and continue on ... right???


... ah well ... push comes to shove we will get cycled elsewhere to learn what we must.


Myself ... I want an ocean planet with ***no*** humans (tribe is allowed).


A dolphin's life is the life for me ...

Hey, Calz, I think you're onto something there. For me it's either in the water or on the beach so long as I have some kind of appendage so I can hold onto a vegan, non-alcoholic piña colada.

[Pris]

One thing I have come to learn is that you can visit the history of the universe by putting your hands into soil. You can understand time by watching seeds germinate. I am such a nut, an O.C.D. gardener it's insane...but it's really true! The secret of life is in tending life the way we were meant to tend it.

There's a doodle berry if I've ever written one.

You're a wonderful nut. From little nuts (and seeds!), great things grow.


All it takes is a little tending...

[Hermit]

As soon as I saw the willow fencing I was in love.

Joe Wilson, an old and long past friend of mine (now...I just had a flash....and I'm going to have to dig and do some pretty deep thinking now...) used to say the world will continue on with or without us.

I've also been told that when the big one hits, and this is very old prophecy, the Anishnabe (keepers of the earth) will still be around because they know how to live in balance with the earth.

So....learn to be in balance with the earth. And keep some charcoal, sugar, a swiss army knife, and a magnifying glass somewhere safe.

[Pris]

As soon as I saw the willow fencing I was in love.

Joe Wilson, an old and long past friend of mine (now...I just had a flash....and I'm going to have to dig and do some pretty deep thinking now...) used to say the world will continue on with or without us.

I've also been told that when the big one hits, and this is very old prophecy, the Anishnabe (keepers of the earth) will still be around because they know how to live in balance with the earth.

So....learn to be in balance with the earth. And keep some charcoal, sugar, a swiss army knife, and a magnifying glass somewhere safe.

What's the sugar for?

[Hermit]

Ok so here's the trick. If you ever need to start a fire, you put the sugar in with the charcoal, put that into some kindling (in a pile that's accessible mind you), grind the two together and BANG.

Just a heads up kids...careful if you try this at home to make sure you're out doors, and you're protected. Head gear, goggles, the nines. In fact, don't try this at home. wink wink

[gardener]

So good to read your posts Pris I have missed you