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    Afterlife thread

    History thankfully changed.
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    This should be fun.




    Hey I popped for the Matrix series ... guess I need to go look that up ...



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    This topic begs the question, do you believe in a benevolent Creator or not?

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    Very new, (to me) and interesting thoughts.
    Thank you Frances.
    I like my mind and the places it takes me.

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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    This topic begs the question, do you believe in a benevolent Creator or not?
    ... yes ...


    ... which begs the question ... to what degree can we "believe in our belief systems"???


    Those that are spiritually advanced and have a "direct connection to Source" have the advantage of personal experience as opposed to trying to figure things out without such.


    Certainly there are many who are ... there ... yet I expect the majority of humanity is not?

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    i would recomend Dr Michael Newton journey of souls books as he has regressed hundreds of people to the point of past life's and pre born ,all with similar accounts of the pre life or after life.
    with many reasons why we come back to learn lessons and how it affects our soul development.
    one person had to get over the green eye and it took that person a couple of thousand years to get over jealousy!
    the difference is now that many are becoming aware that this life is not all it seems and are seeking the answers in the now.
    why are we drawn to them?are we scared that there is just death!
    do we remember tidbits?
    what about that inner knowing of something that only makes sense to you personally and no one else!
    can you recognise a new soul from a old one who has been re incarnated many times!

    your timeline now is what you are living and you choose to live it for a reason ,lessons to be learned.
    it can be erased at any time but at some point you will have to come back and live this life in order to learn that lesson.
    next time you may want to learn something in the past let,s say the 1900,s although you have just lived a life in 2015.
    you will be a man a woman even if you choose all the animals,plants and insects to experience everything.

    is it about the after life or the experiences we have and remember?

    someone contact Michael Newton and interview him lol.

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    Quote Originally posted by Calz View Post
    ... yes ...


    ... which begs the question ... to what degree can we "believe in our belief systems"???


    Those that are spiritually advanced and have a "direct connection to Source" have the advantage of personal experience as opposed to trying to figure things out without such.


    Certainly there are many who are ... there ... yet I expect the majority of humanity is not?
    the 3d world is like wearing a heavy coat.
    sometimes you can shed it of and feel lighter but in this world we all are accustomed to wearing it.
    it drags you back down into it,s own matrix of control that leaves your experience as doubt.
    faith is in order.

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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    This topic begs the question, do you believe in a benevolent Creator or not?
    Good question Wind!

    This information is no longer applicable to this Forum.
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    Quote Originally posted by ronin View Post

    i would recomend Dr Michael Newton journey of souls books as he has regressed hundreds of people to the point of past life's and pre born ,all with similar accounts of the pre life or after life.

    For *many* years I was into all things "new age" and I have (or had prior to moving) all of his books ... kept one.

    Yes NDE and studies of "life in between life" has been one the most fascinating topics of mine over the years.

    ...

    ... then new age concepts started to show signs of cracks and the possibility slipped in that it was little more than another "religion" foisted upon us from our dear illooney naughty controllers.


    Not throwing out the baby with the bathwater yet it in so many cases gives pause.


    Regressions ... okay. Varies I should think on the level of skill of those doing the regression.


    MILAB and abductee experiencers (under regression most often) suggest the ability of "others" (fill in the blank) of implanting screen images/memories in the mind.


    So what's "real"???


    A number of sources raise questions about whether or not such control can continue even after death.


    I don't know ... a lot of people have spent a lot of time investigating such ... and the results there too ... give pause.


    Just throwing out a few bones ...



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    Quote Originally posted by ronin View Post
    someone contact Michael Newton and interview him lol.
    Done!


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2BxSb5oB40


    At this point in time we have conflicting information about pretty much everything, including reincarnation and our reality.

    Maybe some five years ago I read Michael Newton's books, before that I didn't even believe in reincarnation! Much has changed since then, when it comes to my beliefs (or should I say - my faith and my trust).

    I don't claim to have a direct access to Source, but I definitely do always feel a "connection". My belief is that it would be impossible to fake all of those NDE accounts which talk about the spirit realm where we do remember everything, including our past lives. When we choose enter this earthly realm again, we aknowledge the fact that we will go through the veil of forgetfulness before entering another womb. Only during our first years we might remember our past lives and quite often we do. However, as our personality develops, we will forgot all of that. I do think that it happens for a reason and that we forget so that we could focus on this life and it's lessons.

    Many of us do have glimpses of past experiences and there are hints. For example what cultures and countries fascinate you? Chances are that you have lived there before. I can tell I have "memories" and visions of different planets (like Mars) and star systems, dimensions, Atlantis and I have always felt that I used to live in Asia during some point of my existence. I wondered why I was always afraid of dark sea water, well I have drowned before (yikes).

    Human life span used to be some 900 years a long time ago, but instead of evolving, we devolved as a species due to greed and inability to understand the universal laws and now we have this extremely short lifespan. I don't think that life was never supposed to be about suffering as it tends to be on this planet, but it's all about learning and growing. I do believe that we have been misguided to a wrong direction as a species, there are dark influences which steer us towards conflicts and wars so in that sense the game has been "rigged". But we still do have a free will, we can choose to act the way we want, constructively or destructively. Yet to every action there is always opposed an equal reaction.

    Personally I do believe in the buddhist notion that we need to work our way out of samsara (the wheel of life), by balancing our account and by overcoming our Earthly personhood. By that I mean we will have lessons in life until we we won't. Who knows, maybe this will be our last incarnation on Earth? I certainly I hope so, I wouldn't want to learn all of this again, I have already done it thousands of times before and accumulated all of this inner knowing! I am humble enough to admit that I could be wrong about the afterlife with my beliefs, but I don't think I am. The more I learn, the more I learn how little I know.

    When ever this earthly life ends, shall we meet on the heavenly kingdom again and have a ball? We are indeed co-creators and gods in the making!
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    Breeze asked that I copy/paste my post from GoodETxSG's thread here, so I am doing so. Thanks for starting this thread Breeze!!! Can't wait to see how it unfolds.

    Quote Originally posted by lift the veil View Post
    Quote Originally posted by Maunagarjana View Post
    Yes, not a negative ET technology, as many people have insisted. But the way I see it, when it comes to such experiences, it's just the nature of "timespace". Everything about the afterlife is like that, because it is a thought responsive environment in many ways, and we can enter consensus realities that have been constructed by deeply held belief systems, and shared belief systems. This is as it should be, and the design of the Logos, not a sinister trap as many people are inclined to believe. Anyway, this thread could easily turn into a discussion about this one topic if we're not careful.
    How do we know it as it should be? How do we know who designed it? How do we know it is not a sinister trap?

    I understand that the Afterlife is extremely thought-responsive. I have read many, many NDEs and also followed OBE experiencers who give dramatic evidence to this in the Astral and other lower realms. My point is that these "Heavens," that indeed are consensus realities, ARE THE TRAP. They are OVERSEEN by beings who seem to have a HIGHER authority, such as COUNCILS and GUIDES. Newly deceased individuals find themselves in front of these councils who assess/review the life of the individual and "HELP" the person in INTERPRETING the LESSONS of their previous life and then go on to further guide them in their next INCARNATION.

    Who are these COUNCILS AND GUIDES? Why do they need to GUIDE a person in their "soul development". What happened to our free-will? Why do we have to meet with these councils and listen to their guidance? Guidance that would influence what we decide to do next with our soul. It sounds like a passive-aggressive control system to me. Even though the soul may make the choice of how to incarnate next, they have been influenced (subtle mind control) in how to make that choice.

    Seems to me, if a group of beings know we can manifest our reality in the afterlife, they could co-opt such a reality and put themselves in positions of power such as the COUNCIL, and as GUIDES so that can keep souls on the reincarnation cycle down to EARTH. Are these COUNCILS and GUIDES service to self beings that use the group consensus "heaven" reality as a MECHANISM to maintain control? Create (false) religions on Earth and then create (false) heavens in the afterlife and you have got yourself a perfect recycling system.

    So essentially, YES we have created a consensus reality TRAP, and we trap ourselves if we go along with this AFTERLIFE system and follow the herd mentality of what is laid out before us complete with the welcome wagon, guides and family.

    My question is can we avoid such consensus realities all together and go above/avoid these "false" heavens and get to a place where we alone get to just be and decide for ourselves where to go and what to do? True FREE WILL. No councils, no guides, no angels, no system that stinks of hierarchy.

    This is all I have to say about this topic here on this thread. I do not want to further clutter GoodETxSG work. Maybe someone could start an "Afterlife Thread" where further discussion could occur.

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    is it not called schools of learning!
    why do we have guides?and why do we keep coming back?

    maybe we have not developed enough to pass the grade and we need to keep coming back to learn whatever experience and pass that grade.
    if you where a fractual part of the whole that needed to learn a lesson how would you go about it?
    go out and experience it no matter how long it took.then when that lesson has been learnt another part of the whole wants you(you have the choice)to learn another.
    you do so willingly knowing that all is ok as you are a part of the whole,then you forget.
    this is where it gets difficult and the journey back home unfolds.

    i once asked the question as many of us has.
    why so much suffering and death?
    i got told they are safe.
    the reason could be that they chose to come here to suffer!it is a experience just as everything else is.
    in God,s eyes we are only here for 70-90 human years of which is not a blink in no time.
    so would souls que up and give their lifes here for others to learn by knowing that it is all part of a immaculate plan.

    how many people have given there life in the name of religion and queen and country?
    all for a persons greed and wealth.

    how many souls are actually showing us the way through god and their sacrifice in everyday events.

    the only downside is that we do forget after the first few years after being born.
    but there are still a few children that have been recorded now that remember their previous lifes,
    lest they forget and they will in time.

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    And then the hermit lifted his head and began to ask questions.

    If I re-incarnated, and have continued to re-incarnate, at what point was I created? Or have I always been an infinite succession of re-incarnations?

    And if I am an infinite succession of re-incarnations, how can there be any kind of consistent "I" through them all, except that the vessel which holds the temporary experiences of each successive re-incarnation?

    And is re-incarnation consistent, meaning, does every sentient being experience this re-incarnating, and if so what laws govern who becomes what and what becomes who, or is this process totally random?

    Firstly, if it is a totally random process of quote natural laws unquote then it matters not one whit if I am an ax murder or the child who is murdered. Upon our deaths we will both enter into a random natural process which will churn our existence from one body to another, our memories wiped from our minds so that in the next incarnation the child is a cat and the ax murderer a dandelion. It simply becomes an infinite recycle of energy that may or may not happen to be sentient material in the next cycle.

    This, if you choose to believe in reincarnation, is actually a more reasonable explanation. For if you then extend yourself to believe that a force is in fact guiding the process, you must submit your ideas to questions that I believe will be very difficult to answer. Namely, if these laws were in fact constructed, who in fact constructed them except a being which either is part of the cycle, and will itself return into the cycle more than likely taking the laws it has created with it? It may at first seem more logical to assume that there are certain natural laws in place which govern the universe, and that re-incarnation may in fact be one of these laws, but you then must ask the question if there is, at any state of the universe, or multiverse, a place where the re-incarnation parameters become nothing more than quanta? And if this is the case, are there other laws which do not apply? Is this the breaking of the cycle, admitting that there is a greater law that moves beyond the quantum we have trapped ourselves within, namely the idea that we come back over and over and over again as a means of learning, set in motion by a creator who in her infinite wisdom (or his infinite wisdom)...

    Occam's razor unfortunately begins to cut here.

    If you believe in the re-incarnation model, the simplest application of the theory has a greater probability of being true: that being there is no creator force involved, that it is a naturally recurring random process that has nothing to do with how good or how bad one is, how aware or how unaware one is, it simply happens in a very magical, very special way. But it is random.

    Personally, I find a greater comfort in believing in a simpler formula that does not include reincarnation, but you milage may vary.

    And the hermit returns to his soil and begins to plant again.
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    What a great thread, Breeze. I would like to contribute but unfortunately my experience from this life is still limited.
    However I am getting glimpses of my past lives and parallel existence now, I am starting to remember and everything you posted here resonates with my own path. For some time in the past year I've been pondering around same questions you mentioned in your first post.
    The contradictions you are talking about are so very real indeed, I spent some time trying to understand this. We have been mislead to believe that concepts such as duality, black and white in good and evil, as above so below shape our world, our existence. This at the same time steered our attention towards fighting these illusive creations and away from our prime purpose to free our self from the limitations of the dense realities and material universe.
    I too think we are not here to learn or evolve, not at all but by stripping us from our knowledge we were deceived to think so. Perhaps the only thing we need to learn is how to reach the void and become what we really are.

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    If I re-incarnated, and have continued to re-incarnate, at what point was I created? Or have I always been an infinite succession of re-incarnations?

    we where all once created,there are new souls and old ones.
    you can often recognise a new soul from the eager beaver materialistic view on life.
    they are happy to be here but have no value on the soul.

    And is re-incarnation consistent, meaning, does every sentient being experience this re-incarnating, and if so what laws govern who becomes what and what becomes who, or is this process totally random?
    you choose what to experience for your soul development.
    every souls development is on no certain timeline,one existence you could be a super duper influential person who knows a lot of the world and it,s going on.
    the next you may choose to be a worm toiling the soil to help the irrigation of that patch of land .

    there is no evolution from higher state to next evolution but to experience everything in your own time.
    today i,m a rock star,tomorrow i choose live the life as a bat...

    we all think of man,s evolution and rarely the planets and the animals,plants and insects....everything.

    sorry i,m just babbling.

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