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    Audio and witness testimony Roswell

    We all know that this subjects as been killed to death

    But these audio recordings i have never posted them before.I have been looking for them for ages and just by co-incidental checked my private email and someone had sent them me

    We all know

    The Public "Roswell Incident

    On July 8, 1947 at 5:26 EDT, an Associated Press news wire announced that Roswell Army Air Field had reported recovering a "flying disk" from a nearby rancher's property, first found "sometime last week," and that it was being flown to "higher headquarters." The curious base press release triggered a national press feeding frenzy.

    Later "higher headquarters" was announced to be Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey, head of the 8th Army Air Force at Fort Worth, Texas. The Roswell 509th Bomb Group was a subcommand of the 8th AAF. It was also announced that the recovered "disk" was eventually destined for Wright Field, Ohio, home of the Air Materiel Command and the AAF's aeronautical research labs.

    ABC Headline Edition: Taylor Grant's July 7, 1947 newscast of disc recovery by roswell Army Air Field personnel.Here is that recording go here

    Also some more check these out

    Kenneth Arnold Interviewed by Bill Berquette on June 25, 1947 go here

    ABC Radio broadcast of July 10, 1947, Search for Flying Saucers, with WalterKlernon here

    CBS Radio Special Report, Case for the Flying Saucers, with Edward R. Murrow (aired in May, 1949):Go here

    Check this out

    Walter Haut was the public information officer at Roswell base during the Roswell incident of July 1947. In interviews dating back to the 1980s, he said he was mostly out-of-the-loop. His basic story was that on the morning of July 8, base commander Col. William Blanchard had dictated to him a press release that they had obtained a flying disc from a nearby ranch and were flying it on to "higher headquarters." He said he thought the original press release was the truth and he was convinced "the material recovered was some type of craft from outer space." (1993 affidavit) He was pretty sure Blanchard must have seen the debris before issuing the press release and said Blanchard would never make a mistake of confusing the recovered material with a weather balloon..

    Haut, who lived in Roswell, became one of the most interviewed and public Roswell witnesses and key advocate of a saucer crash, yet continued to publicly disclaim personal knowledge of the debris or of the actual craft and recovered bodies as reported by other witnesses.

    To view that 1993 affidavit go here then scroll down to the bottom of page

    However, Haut's on-the-record public statements differed from some of his private ones. E.g., Robert Shirkey Jr., son of Robert Shirkey, base assistant operations officer, disclosed on a recent Art Bell show that Haut told his father, a good friend, about seeing the bodies clear back in 1989. Shirkey Jr., said his father also told him this in 1989. (Art Bell show, June 30, 2007, 3rd hour) Shirkey Sr. in his 1991 affidavit also hinted at this when he stated "I learned later that... the bodies were laid out in Hanger 84." An excerpt of Shirkey Jr.'s comments about being told of the bodies are below, including statements about the character of the men involved, whom he knew personally, having grown up in Roswell. (See 2 minutes into clip for body comments.) Audio here

    Shirkey Sr. 1991 affidavit go here

    On UFO Updates on November 17, 2007, Kevin Randle also wrote that a man he interviewed in the mid-1990s, 1st Lt. Richard C. Harris, Jr., said that he met Haut near a base hangar and Haut told him at that time about seeing a dead alien body. Harris said Haut suggested he take a quick look, but Harris decided against this. (Harris, the base asst. financial officer, also said he helped cover up the paper trail of expenses involved in the recovery.)

    Tom Carey and Donald Schmitt also remark how Haut commonly dropped hints that he knew more than he was letting on to. Haut's common closing remarks in public appearances or in interviews was, "It wasn't any type of weather balloon. I believe it was a UFO! Just don't ask me why!"

    Haut started to become more publicly forthcoming in 2000. He gave a lengthy recorded oral history with researchers Wendy Connors and Dennis Balthauser, people he knew well and trusted. Haut stipulated the interview was not to be released until after his death. (Haut died in December 2005). In the interview (transcript) Haut first disclosed he saw the craft and small bodies in one of the hangars. He also disclosed that Gen. Roger Ramey, one of the architects of the weather balloon cover-up, had flown in for the staff morning meeting on July 8, and helped decide on how to deal with the situation. (Wendy Connors in private email, told me that Haut was already telling her privately about Ramey and knowing something about the bodies even before this interview.)

    In December 2002, Haut filled out a notarized affidavit that was sealed and again not to be publicly disclosed until after his death. A copy first appeared in the June 2007 book Witness to Roswell by Tom Carey and Don Schmitt, released with permission of Haut's surviving family.

    New Nov. 2008! Schmitt and Haut's daughter Julie Shuster afterwards revealed that the affidavit was drafted by Schmitt, with Haut's approval, after years of conversations with Haut. Haut then carefully reviewed Schmitt's emailed draft for accuracy, both privately and with Shuster present. He made no changes before signing in front of Shuster, a notary, and an outside witness. According to Schmitt, a doctor had just reviewed the status of Haut's health and judged him to be of sound mind. For Shuster's detailed comments in the September MUFON Journal about the process behind the affidavit, click here.

    In the affidavit, Haut again said that he had seen the crash object and bodies in a hangar (Hangar 84 or P-3). Col. Blanchard, a close friend his entire life, made a point of taking him out there.

    Haut also disclosed new information, such as personally handling the debris during the morning meeting, which he said was unlike anything he or anyone else there had ever seen before, going out to one of the crash sites (probably the large Foster Ranch debris field) and bringing debris back to his office. He also revealed that the second main crash site with the object and bodies was about 40 miles north of Roswell and had been found by civilians on July 7. He first became aware of both crash sites by the afternoon of Monday, July 7, after returning to duty from the 4th of July weekend.

    A key topic of discussion at the morning meeting was how to deal with the situation, since members of the press and public already knew something was going on. Haut gave insight into the reasoning behind Blanchard's perplexing flying disc press release which Haut delivered to the local Roswell media. Gen. Ramey wished to divert attention away from the more important craft/body site by acknowledging the remoter, less accessible debris site, but providing few details. Haut believed Ramey was acting under direction of his superiors at the Pentagon. It was discussed whether to tell the public the full truth, but this was decided against, and thus began a cover-up that continues to this day.

    Haut also mentioned being aware of teams sent out to both sites for months afterwards to search for any remaining evidence. This provided some corroboration for Bill Brazel's story (son of rancher Mack Brazel) of having debris samples confiscated from him by such a team a few months later.

    Haut is far from alone in his claims to seeing alien bodies, a spacecraft or strange debris. Click on the links at the top for other such accounts about non-human bodies or strange debris, such as Frederick Benthal and Eli Benjamin, two other military alien body eyewitnesses. The writeup on mortician Glenn Dennis has numerous other mostly second-hand accounts. A number of these center around base Hangar 84 or P-3 mentioned by Haut, where crash debris, craft, and bodies were taken for processing and shipment. The heavily guarded B-29 crate flight to Fort Worth on July 9, the day after Haut's viewing of the bodies/craft in the hangar, is strongly suspected of carrying bodies.

    According to Carey & Schmitt, Haut waited until the end of his life to reveal this information because he had promised Col. Blanchard to not disclose it while he was alive. Haut may have had another personal reason. He was well-aware how other major Roswell witnesses had been savaged by debunkers, a prime example being Jesse Marcel, the intelligence officer. By initially denying direct knowledge of the more controversial aspects about Roswell, Haut would be denying critics a convenient target. However, with Haut's now-public interview and affidavit confessing to being an eyewitness to the debris, spacecraft, and bodies, he will no doubt be attacked as a liar who changed his story, a senile old man, or even worse.

    Haut's "deathbed" affidavit is sure to stir up a huge heated controversy. Once a public figure like Haut states that there really was a flying saucer crash and alien bodies and he saw it with his own eyes, there is never any returning to the quiet life.

    Other witnesses

    Sgt Frederick Benthal: Army photographer flown in from Washington D.C., said he photographed alien bodies in a tent at crash site and saw large quantities of crash debris being hauled away in trucks.Go here

    PFC Elias Benjamin: Roswell MP, said he escorted the alien bodies from the heavily guarded base Hangar P-3 to the base hospital, and saw a live one being worked on by doctors; was threatened afterwards if he didn't keep quiet.Go here

    1st Lt. Chester P. Barton: A crypto specialist and assigned to an MP unit, Barton said he was ordered to the crash site 45 minutes north of town to check on the cleanup, saw a football-field-size burn impact area heavily guarded by MPs, scattered metal debris, was told radiation was at the site, heard archeologists had first discovered it, and also heard bodies were taken to base hospital and then to Fort Worth. Because of what he saw, he knew that the balloon explanation was ridiculous and there had been a cover-up. However, Barton was unusual in being a flying saucer crash skeptic, instead thinking that it was maybe a B-29 crash and nuclear accident.Go here

    Major Jesse Marcel: Then the intelligence chief at Roswell and the first to investigate sheep rancher Mack Brazel's find, Marcel confirmed in a number of interviews 30 years later that the crash debris had highly anomalous properties and was "not of this Earth." Marcel also spoke of Ramey's weather balloon cover-up at Fort Worth. Click on link to Marcel for more information on his service record, which belies efforts of debunkers to paint him as hysterical and incompetent. Note particularly highly laudatory post-Roswell evaluations by base commander Col. William Blanchard, Gen. Ramey, and future USAF Chief of Staff Col. John Ryan.Go here also Marcel's testimony on anomalous debris. Marcel's sighting before Roswell & other witnesses seeing saucer explode here

    Bill Brazel Jr.: Rancher Mack Brazel's son, Bill Brazel independently corroborated many details of Marcel's testimony, including the strange debris, the large, elongated debris field, and his father's story of an explosion in the middle of a violent electrical storm. (Brazel's testimony on debris)

    the list goes on and on and on

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    Roswell ................it's rather like the Kennedy Assassination, 911 Event, OBE's, etc.

    For those that don't want to believe, no amount of evidence will convince them. That being said, every time something new comes out, if it only convinces a few more people, eventually critical mass will be reached (hopefully in my lifetime, but not holding my breath!).

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    The bullshit is so deep with Roswell I'm afraid to even wade in to try to form an opinion about it.

    However all the stories of the little gray bodies do remind me of something that Barry King was saying, and no matter where he got it from others have been saying it too so that it's become like a meme, that the grays are something like biological "drones" that do whatever they're told and are created in labs. That idea suddenly became a lot more significant to me when I realized that the only reason for cattle mutilation that seems to make much sense is if something like stem cells were needed to grow the bodies:

    Fetal bovine serum is the most widely used serum-supplement for the in vitro cell culture of eukaryotic cells. This is due to it having a very low level of antibodies and containing more growth factors, allowing for versatility in many different cell culture applications.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_bovine_serum

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsbray View Post
    The bullshit is so deep with Roswell I'm afraid to even wade in to try to form an opinion about it.
    I think Philip J. Corso was probably the most credible source of information on that particular subject. Well, he and the late Jesse Marcel, of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by bsbray View Post
    However all the stories of the little gray bodies do remind me of something that Barry King was saying, and no matter where he got it from others have been saying it too so that it's become like a meme, that the grays are something like biological "drones" that do whatever they're told and are created in labs.
    Not all of them, and there appears to be a difference between the PLFs and actual (little) greys in the shape of the eyes.

    Quote Originally Posted by bsbray View Post
    That idea suddenly became a lot more significant to me when I realized that the only reason for cattle mutilation that seems to make much sense is if something like stem cells were needed to grow the bodies:

    Fetal bovine serum is the most widely used serum-supplement for the in vitro cell culture of eukaryotic cells. This is due to it having a very low level of antibodies and containing more growth factors, allowing for versatility in many different cell culture applications.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_bovine_serum
    I think you're on to something there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aragorn View Post
    Not all of them, and there appears to be a difference between the PLFs and actual (little) greys in the shape of the eyes.
    Right, but I hesitate to take any of this stuff that seriously in the first place. There is basically what amounts to a whole mythology of different kinds of ETs out there, all popularized in different ways, but for me none of it has ever really been verified and the more I see of this kind of stuff the more convoluted it seems to become.

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    The Children Who Bore Witness to Roswell: Their Tragic Stories Finally Revealed

    Some more on this below.

    For many what was seen at Roswell cast a shadow the length of a lifetime. And for the two children who innocently happened on strange things fallen from the sky in 1947 that did not belong, their lifetimes were short. It is telling that the ‘first-on-the-scene’ witnesses to the unearthly crash materials were the ones who would say the very least. They were troubled by secrets that were held in their hearts and to their graves. The original and untainted witnesses were ranch manager Mac Brazel and two New Mexico boys, Dee Proctor and Vernon Brazel.

    But suffer the children. And these two indeed suffered. Theirs is a story of silence and of suicide. It is a tortured tale of drink, divorce and dying young. It is an incredible account of stolen alien metal and of frightening threats to juveniles. And the brief but stunning confession of one of these Roswell child witnesses is related on the internet for the first time ever, here and now:

    THE RANCH MAN’S SON: VERN BRAZEL


    Mac Brazel (Vern’s Father)

    Mac Brazel managed a ranch that was owned by twin brothers H.S. “Henry” Foster and J.B. “Jasper” Foster. Vernon was Mac’s son. Vern was 8 years old in 1947. Vernon is very rarely mentioned in the Roswell UFO crash saga. In fact, Vern is only mentioned once (and fleetingly) in only one edition of one of Roswell’s two newspapers at the time and in none of the newspapers in the country that carried the story. Only the Roswell Daily Record’s July 9th 1947 issue mentions the ranch man’s son and states in part: “Brazel related…that he and his 8 year old son came across the large area of wreckage…”

    That is all that has ever been written about Vernon Brazel. And no one ever got to talk to him because he left New Mexico as soon as he legally could. And no one could find Vern Brazel because he changed his name and moved from state to state. And no one will ever be able to talk to Vernon Brazel because he shot himself young with a handgun, instantly ending his life with a bullet to his head.

    This author learned from Loretta Proctor (neighbor to Mac Brazel) in conversations about four years ago, that Vernon was a very close friend with her son Dee, who was also there at the discovery of the crash scene. Dee was seven and Vern was eight. Both were what she called “little ranchers” who helped Mac with chores on weekends and during summers. When I first mentioned Vern’s name to Loretta, however, she snapped: “What do you know about Vern?” Loretta, who had always before been very accommodating and pleasant, startled me with the way in which she wanted to know how I knew of Vern. I then realized the reason for her alarming firmness. Loretta explained that after the crash, Vern “had adjustment problems, a hard time with the other kids” and became the brunt of jokes about his Dad’s unusual find. He wanted to get out of the state as soon as he was of age, Loretta learned. The story followed him wherever he went. Loretta told me that Vernon wound up changing his name and “wanted to get as far away from his identity and this State as he possibly could. He used the last name of Tannehill or Tunnecliffe, I believe. Something like that.” Loretta was to find out that after a brief stint in the US Navy, Vernon lived in many places including Montana, California and Virginia. But as far as Loretta knew, Vern never returned to New Mexico, “he never wanted those memories.” Roswell’s “little secret” about their “little rancher” was about to be told when I asked Loretta, “What became of Vern?” Loretta hesitated and replied, “Vern took a pistol and killed himself. Shot in the head. He was only in his 20s.” Shocked, and hearing what I thought was a suppressed weep, I could only say to her, “We both know why.” Loretta did not reply.

    I wanted to confirm as much as I could about this remarkable information imparted to me by Loretta. And in fact, I was able to ascertain through military records that Vernon Brazel was a shipmate of the USS Hassayampa at its homeport in Pearl Harbor. Through the Social Security Death Index, I found that both California and Virginia were given as the last state of residence and as the state where the death certificate was issued. And he did pass in his 20s. All of this Loretta Proctor had told me. I felt almost guilty fact-checking her. This is because the ranch woman who has outlived her beloved son -and is now nearly a century old- has always proven to be a woman of truth.

    A BOY NAMED DEE


    Rare Photo of Dee Proctor (First in Top Row in White Cowboy Hat)

    “Dee” Proctor was Loretta and Floyd Proctor’s son. Loretta does not like to talk about Dee in relation to the Roswell crash. And Dee most assuredly did not want to talk to anyone about it. For many decades the boy witness, even as a senior citizen, actively avoided any discussion of the topic. He literally hid from researchers. His dodging of them was extreme. Proctor neighbor John Tilley told me that in the 1980s, when he and Loretta were in her living room and he happened to mention the crash, he heard Dee in the kitchen (who was visiting his mother and eating breakfast) get up quickly and leave though the back door “like the house was on fire” thus eluding Tilley. John said to me, “I know why Dee didn’t pick up after himself after eating, which he always did at his Mother’s. It’s because he heard us discussing something he did not want to talk about.” Several researchers can relate accounts of Dee literally running from them, not wishing to talk about it in any way. Surely it would have been far, far easier for Dee to simply say that it was too long ago and that he was too young- rather than to flee and hide behind his mother Loretta. Even as a grown adult man he acted immaturely like a child.

    Dee exhibited an extraordinary reluctance to discuss the incident throughout his life. He was also a lifelong alcoholic, but never drinking around his mother Loretta. In fact he was described to me by more than one as a “raging alcoholic” (including by a Deputy Clerk at the Lincoln County, NM Clerk’s office.) Dee was nearly hermetic, divorced and he was morbidly obese. He died at age 66 in January 2006 of a massive heart attack while driving to a Ruidoso ranch.

    Dee was known to have been at the crash site with Mac at the time of its first discovery. It is very telling that Mac did not tell reporters that Dee was there. He was clearly protecting the boy. Everyone did, including Dee’s mother, Loretta and father, Floyd. In fact it would never have been known that Dee was even at the crash at all had not researchers Kevin Randle and Don Schmitt been informed that the boy was there by Proctor friends and neighbors, including Tommy Tyree. Loretta and her late husband Floyd never offered that Dee was there at the crash site with Mac and Vern (despite prior interviews with researchers.) She only admitted to Dee being at the site when it was clear that she could not deny it. Loretta told me that Dee “worked” for Mac at the grand rate of 25 cents per day on weekends and during Summers. Dee, she is certain, returned home by the weekend that first week in July because she remembers having told Mac that she wanted Dee home for the July 4th weekend festivities. This is why the July 2/3 crash date is the most likely.

    Dee never offered to discuss with others what he knew. He would let his mother Loretta do the talking for him. I asked Loretta what Dee saw. She used the same fall-back line that she has used with other researchers over the years: “Well, Dee was just a boy, he don’t really remember that at all. He was just a kid.” Knowing that she used that excuse before with others, I pressed her: “Loretta, Dee may have been just a boy when it occurred, but you surely remember what he told you at the time when he returned home. You were 33 at the time.” Loretta, for the first and only time in the discussions that I had with her, changed the subject so artfully and so quickly that I nearly forgot that I had asked the question.


    Dee Proctor, Age 3 (in Middle on Horseback)

    Dee could ride horse, Loretta said, from a very young age. He loved going to the Foster Ranch to help Mac and the two would ride together. I believe that it is distinctly possible that it was adventuresome young Dee Proctor who first found the site and first laid eyes on the debris. Loretta told me that Dee would often “go off on his own ahead of Mac, which worried Mac.”

    DEE’S CONFESSIONS

    Dee talked to only one “outsider” about the crash event, and then only by “accident.” And his mother Loretta spoke only once about details that Dee told her about the site. We now realize that Dee Proctor is to be considered an historical figure who saw what none of us ever will. But it was a “privilege” that Dee never sought and a sight he wished that he had never seen.

    Dee was with Brazel when he first discovered the debris field. But he was also with Brazel, he told his mother Loretta, when he discovered “something else” at another site 2-1/2 miles to the east that left him deeply traumatized for the rest of his life. He never told her exactly what he saw there but he did take her to the location in 1994 saying, "Here is where Mack found something else."

    The only other time that it is known that Dee spoke of the event was by “accident.” Author and researcher Kevin Randle indicates that on two occasions in the 1990s, when phoning for Loretta Proctor, her son Dee had answered. Realizing that these would be “missed opportunities” not to talk to Dee directly, Kevin engaged him both times in very brief conversation before Dee’s mother got to the phone. Dee quickly and reluctantly confirmed to Kevin some astounding information:

    - He was indeed with Mac at the crash site that week in July of 1947 and remembers it
    - Military authorities had come to “visit” him to discuss the crash
    - He and Mac came upon a large field of metal-like debris: remnants of a craft
    - He did not believe the material that he saw to be from earth or made by man
    - He said that he later took some friends out with him to later visit the site

    This last item is confirmed by Roswell resident Sydney "Jack" Wright, who told researchers Tom Carey and Don Schmitt that two sons of rancher Thomas Edington and one of rancher Truman Pierce’s daughters got to "the other location." This author is currently trying to locate the Edington sons and the Pierce daughter.

    Dee’s confirmation that he was visited by military authorities is supported by a confidential contact of noted researcher and author Nick Redfern. Mr. Redfern indicates that he had learned something about Dee Proctor in the late 1980s from an elderly, dying man who had been a US intelligence asset with a legal background. Nick explained that the man was “utterly disgusted” by something that he had been made privy to during the course of conducting an investigation that concerned citizens rights violations by intelligence agents in New Mexico. The man told Nick that he had found out that: Dee Proctor had “the fear of God put in him” by brow-beating operatives when he was visited by them following the crash. He was visited at least twice later when he was grown and he was “issued veiled warnings about speaking out as an adult.” Nick notes astutely: “As a child he was by definition a wild card, and someone deeply involved, but who obviously did not have the mindset of an adult when it occurred, and who was therefore of some concern to the military.” Redfern further adds: “And hence why this case was an awkward one from the military perspective. Giving the rough treatment to a rancher would not be so hard. Doing likewise to a very young kid would hardly be what soldiers would want as the highlight of their career.” So what was the “something else” that Nick’s source told him that Dee had seen?

    DID DEE STEAL ROSWELL CRASH “MEMORY METAL”?



    In the Summer of 2011 Loretta Proctor’s niece Kay went to visit her Aunt. Kay was accompanied by her friend Jules and they recorded the Roswell crash recollections of the nonagenarian. Speaking of the widely-reported “memory metal” that came from the UFO crash scene and that was seen by many witnesses, Loretta made a jaw-dropping statement. Jules says that with a “measure of smiling venom” Loretta said of her son Dee, “A certain little brat kept it (some memory metal) hidden away his whole life.” The “reminder” visits that Dee received throughout his life were warning visits that Dee should not only never utter a word, but that if he had the memory metal -or knows where pieces may be- he was always under watch and they would always know where he was and what he was doing.

    WHAT THE CHILDREN TEACH US

    The two Roswell children who found the UFO crash site were the first human beings in history to lay eyes upon the Extraterrestrial and things not made on Earth. Both of them –Dee and Vern- never spoke publicly about the event for as long as they lived. One of them ran from researchers and one ran from life itself. Both had “issues” that seemed insurmountable following the crash event- and both died young , keeping a burden that ultimately proved too difficult for either to bear. In their deaths they remind me of another who was Roswell-involved. The Roswell Base Chaplain Hankerson told his children repeatedly and trance-like on his deathbed, “ too much knowledge can be a very bad thing.”

    http://bragalia.blogspot.com/2012/03...o-roswell.html

    and this

    Jesse Marcel was on the front page of the roswell news paper for the coverup of the crashed disc. In 1984 he revealed the ufo was real and did actually crash. This is really great proof or witness testimony on the event of roswell.

    No one person can ever change the truth, but the truth, once learned, can and will change the person

    You must be the change you wish to see in the world when you are through changing, you are through


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