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    Truth Is Often Spoken Of

    Truth is often spoken of like it is known in absolute terms. But each speaks of it from their view point not considering that it is just that and not the thing itself.

    Is speaking the truth..... The Truth?

    If I speak for you, am I you?

    The Truth stands alone unimpeded by words, thoughts, ideas, or art concerning it.

    So what should we make of things spoken of in an authoritative way as if their origin is rooted in the Truth (as if they are one with the Truth)?


    My words are words written but they are not the Truth. At best, they are but an echo of the Truth, which again....is not the Truth.



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    Your words ARE words written and that IS the truth
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    The following is a (very) loose paraphrase of a concept which was first introduced to me holistically (I'd gotten bits before, but fractured ones) in the Star Wars novel 'Traitor'.

    Every thing I tell you is a lie. It is a lie because it is not the truth. Even if I were to attempt to tell you the truth, what I would tell you would be a summary of the truth, a simplification that would be devoid of detail and actuality. I could describe to you a rose, and would yet omit details which your eye could see if I were to show you a rose. Every word that can be spoken - no matter how effectively - will fall short of the reality it entails or pertains to. Words are not truth, are at best a consolation in absence of truth; what else is that which is less than truth, but a lie?

    https://www.goodreads.com/work/quote...-jedi-order-13

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    Don't believe anything Shezzy says. He's a trickster, he said so himself! That's what his name stands for.

    And so, he is telling the truth....

    Sorry Shezbeth, couldn't resist.

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    I hadn't thought of it. Quite the quandary you point out, for the guy who's name literally means (simply) "the liar" to claim "everything I tell you is a lie". Is that true? Oooooohhhhhh. ^_~

    No need to apologize Sooz, at the very least you're right; one shouldn't believe what I say, they should believe what they choose to. ^_^

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    I'm just pulling your leg in jest.

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    Logic is the course taken to the Truth but arrival is illogical (to logic).


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    I used to subscribe to the "everything is a lie" lie...and you can win arguments and look clever and have it be semantically correct and all that...but I found it a very impractical way to live.

    I found it interesting how they set the robot in "Interstellar" to 90% truthful, seen that yet?
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    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    I used to subscribe to the "everything is a lie" lie...and you can win arguments and look clever and have it be semantically correct and all that...but I found it a very impractical way to live.

    I found it interesting how they set the robot in "Interstellar" to 90% truthful, seen that yet?
    One does need to dispense with the Truth to be practical but that doesn't lessen the Truth.

    Contrary to popular belief, practice does not MAKE perfect.

    Practice is a way to live but it is not Life.

    Ha! You think I posted this in an attempt to 'look clever' or even to 'be' clever? That is but an appearance and not the Truth.

    Did you post what you did to look clever by exposing my cleverness? The spider weaves a web....
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    No one person can ever change the truth, but the truth, once learned, can and will change the person

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    Quote Originally posted by The One View Post
    I'd say chip.

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    I was addressing shez actually. I wasn't trying to be clever. The truth I found is that so what that everything is lies (including "the fact" that everything is lies, and apologies if that personal truth of mine comes off to you as an attempt to be clever)

    What I was actually trying to do is show how "relative" truth is a more practical (for me, who once was stuck in thoughts similar to what you express and shez is champ at winning arguments about) perspective for me to function in this reality.

    I totally agree with everything you are saying (and it's all very cute and clever), but in practical terms, I find useful to just agree with most beings similar to myself that this keyboard I am typing on is "solid". Sure...it really is nowhere close to the definition we made up for "solid". You can even call it a lie. In some contexts the "reality" or "truth" of it might be "useful" to explore.

    For me, the best model I've understood is the probability/quantum physics type of thing where absolutes don't seem possible to realize, and statistically closer to absolutes (relatively, ie this table/3d reality is "solid enough" to accept that "lie" for the purposes of all but this and a few other types of discussions) is more important to find (practical) truths than THE elusive Truth...which seemingly according your "logic" can't exist anyway
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    I scribbled this "response" as soon as I posted the last one...the pic didn't come out so good for people with eyes as crappy as mine...the text reads:

    Listen: Friend,
    and I'll tell you some
    TRUTH so long
    as you know
    that I KNOW
    It's nothing but LIES

    I AM
    or: at least,
    I seem to BE...

    Well, maybe NOT?
    But I can say
    with absolute certainty
    That NOTHING is CERTAIN...

    ...except THAT? Maybe?

    Cuz it seems (to me, more often than not)
    That we must be truthful
    To ourselves
    Whoever we find
    Ourselves to be.

    I like to live in less LIES
    and more truth
    (WITH A LOWERCASE t)
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