Not shore Elbie , although it looks like a small victory , It does not change current european insane interests and infringement payments , it only delay them a little.More time to break down the movement ?, or more time for Greece to arrange for new partners to enter the game?hmmmm
We'll see.
Saw an interesting pair of headlines yesterday;
"Germany rejects Greek Debt plan"
"Greek PM meets with Chinese Naval Fleet" ...
The 4-day Chinese Tour described here is more than just business as usual....I reckon lol
Last edited by monk, 21st February 2015 at 09:11.
which was my exact thought too..having read some reactions from greek end I reconsidered the development in a positive light. remember, they got into power only 4 weeks ago and this was meant tobe the first and MAJOR trap for the Syriza people. the odds were not in their/syriza favour i.e the cabal was sitiing waiting for syriza to fail at the first hurdle.Originally posted by Tonz
this was one of the comments just the other day (by DW's Bernd Riegert ):
"It is more likely that Greece would finally go bankrupt in the interim. The Syriza-Anel team should fail as soon as possible on the basis of their own campaign promises. Their magic should disappear and they should be voted out democratically. That too would be hard for Greece, but still better than being ruled by a left-wing radical bigmouth, an economic dilettante and a nationalist switch-hitter and being ejected from the EU" http://www.dw.de/opinion-one-last-ch...ece/a-18270009.
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i was really afraid that 'putch express' was going to catch up with greece any day. Syriza has a formidable adversary, not just in 'tojka', Eu's elite, they have to battle their own corrupt elite too. i.e. it wouldn't serve any purpose to have them outed before they got going. just think od what might happen in the next 4 months. think about podemos in spain and their upcoming elections. also think about the uk and our upcoming general elections. lots of things may happen to further weaken Eu cabal.
rather than go down, variofakis/tsipras stayed on.. more importantly, do read about what this deal means (from syriza point of understanding):
via greekreporter.com
"Greece has turned a new page and the plans to trap the government ahead of the February 28 deadline have failed, government sources said on Friday, following the achievement of a deal with the country’s European loan partners at the Eurogroup meeting in Brussels.
“Greece has turned a page. Negotiating means giving battles without going back on the popular mandate. It was proved that we could have negotiated all those years and Greece is neither isolated, nor is heading for the rocks, and will not continue the Memoranda,” the sources said.
The same sources noted blackmailing has failed and that the “Troika’s extra-institutional arrangement that gave orders and had become a superpower” has ended for Greece.
It was also noted that the main target of achieving an intermediate agreement that would give Greece time (four months), was accomplished.
“The request for an extension of the loan agreement was accepted in principle and is the basis for further decisions and developments,” the sources added.
Another important point is that measures aggravating austerity, which have been agreed by the previous government (an email to former Finance Minister Gikas Hardouvelis that demanded pension cuts, tax rises etc), as well as commitments to exorbitant and unrealistic primary surpluses have been avoided.
According to the sources, the new Greek government will present its reform measures for the intermediary period, promoting those that are accepted by both sides; these include tax evasion, fighting corruption, public administration restructuring, dealing with the humanitarian crisis.
The sources also clarified that the mention on unilateral moves (included in the Eurogroup document) does not concern the government’s overall policy but solely actions that have a fiscal cost.
Similarly, “the mention in appropriate primary surpluses, depending on the condition of the Greek economy, signals the end of the 3% of GDP target, or 5.5 billion euros for 2015.”
Greece and Europe will both have the necessary time to start negotiations for the final transition from a policy of recession, unemployment and social insecurity to a policy of growth, employment and social justice.
“The Greek government will continue its work with soberness, having society on its side, and will continue negotiations until the final deal in the summer,” the government sources concluded."
Last edited by Elbie, 21st February 2015 at 13:16.
Monk an interesting state of affairs ,the timing isSaw an interesting pair of headlines yesterday;
"Germany rejects Greek Debt plan"
"Greek PM meets with Chinese Naval Fleet" ...
The 4-day Chinese Tour described here is more than just business as usual....I reckon lola coincidence perhaps?
V for Vareofakis (yanis)
German show uploaded a video spoof on economic standoff between greece and germany: V for Varoufakis
Published on 25 Feb 2015 on youtube, 6000 views in just over 4 hours..by now it's on some 32000 views.
"Dear Greek Folks, the time has come: we surrender! Take all our money, you may also take Helene Fischer, but please, keep this financial Hercules off us. We could only just bear with Costa Cordalis
so this is clearly way too much! - http://neomagazinroyale.de "
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Afl9WFGJE0M
varoufakis and his truck driver look in favourite leather outfit
Hilarious Elbie .
I keep reading this thread, and telling my Greek friend all the Dutch news items...
- which are completely 'off' -
"The Greek are threatening Europe with 300.000 refugees"
Uhmmm, okay???
This morning, about a new built station, that costed wayyyy too much:
"Mega project is getting Delft into a Greek crisis"
so now we are using it as an expression... ???
How is all of this seen in other (Europe and non-Europe) countries?
This is a good question , and it is easily answered , a struggling country sympathizes with grease (nonEuropean) a wealthy country doesn't really want to know and do not cover it hardly at all , say in Aust.How is all of this seen in other (Europe and non-Europe) countries?
There are other angles though. (non European) The countries that are tied to central bank funds do not look at the issue, those from bricks are up to date with the goings on...
Students in Greece do not even know what the BRIC-countries are
they have no clue what is happening, which is weird..
(why not wanting to know?)
Greece's PM Tsipras Accelerates Russia Meetup
Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras reschedules meeting visit with Russian President Vladimir Putin for 8 April. Does this mean the indebted eurozone state could be the next Eurasian Economic Union member soon?
by phil Butler:
Desperate for cash, and playing all the cards in his hands, Greece's newly elected PM is in a pinch. Having vowed to end austerity in his country, Tsipras is "all in" in a forieign policy game of high stakes poker between Greece, the EU, and unlikely table partner Russia. With a final installment of a €240 billion euro bailout in the offing, Greece must have a four month extension for the broke government to carry on.
News today that Tsipras bumped up his visit to meet with Russia's president by a month seems a sure sign the EU and Greece's biggest creditor Germany are not going to budge. The hasty revamp of the PM's schedule also foretells of just how sour negotions have turned since Greece's guru of finance Yanis Varoufakis began hammering out viable debt repayment options going forward. A stoic German position, and Greece's desire to breath some fresh air outside crippling austerity has led to the current situation. The rushed Russia meetings are actually.the next logical progression of economic relations gone bad. First Germany said "no", then Greece said "please", and after more "no's" the Spartans demanded their gold back from the days of Nazi Germany. Tsipras has framed the hurried meetings as necessary to relieve "stifling economic conditions" set by Europe's creditors.
Beyond the war of words between Athens and Berlin though, the Great Game is still afoot in between world powers trying to soidify and extend inluence. Russia's worst critic in the region, US diplomat Victoria Nuland flew in for hastended talks with Greece’s foreign minister, Nikos Kotzias on the hurry up the other day. In the wake of that guarded discussion, Tsipras hopes tp meet with key partners in the European Commuission and with the European Central Bank tomorrow.
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continued @ http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/18/4621
Ria (19th March 2015)
This had me with my fist in the air..........With that power to the people feeling....... Inspirational stuff coming from a suppressed government, led by its people.The rushed Russia meetings are actually.the next logical progression of economic relations gone bad. First Germany said "no", then Greece said "please", and after more "no's" the Spartans demanded their gold back from the days of Nazi Germany. Tsipras has framed the hurried meetings as necessary to relieve "stifling economic conditions" set by Europe's creditors.
At least for now.
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