I dont think he ever "recovered" I think good communities probably have stronger people who are less likely to succumb to various weaknesses. I'm pretty sure that's true. But you can create little communities in cities and do things to help people be strong...without a "program"...people can just do little things to make life better. That's what we were doing. It always works. But, as they say, the light bulb has to want to be screwed in.
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From The Mirror online:
VIP paedophile ring 'abused teenage boy INSIDE Buckingham Palace and Balmoral Castle'
Nov 29, 2014 22:30 By Keir Mudie, Mark Watts
The boy, then just 16, told how he was the victim of “exploitation of the highest order” - the claims could now be the subject of a police investigation
A teenage boy working at Buckingham Palace revealed he was groomed and sexually abused by a VIP paedophile ring there.
The lad was also assaulted at the Royal Family’s Scottish retreat Balmoral, according to shocking Home Office files, reports the Sunday People.
In a heartbreaking note, the boy – then just 16 – told how he was the victim of “exploitation of the highest order”.
The chilling claims could now be the subject of a police investigation into *historic allegations of child sex abuse in the 1970s and 80s – linked to MPs and powerful figures.
The disturbing account was passed directly to the then Home Secretary Leon Brittan but he ruled it was “not practical” to investigate.
Campaigning Labour MP Tom Watson said: “I’m sure the Palace will want to co-operate with any inquiry.”
A Palace spokesman said: “The Royal Household takes any allegation of this nature seriously and would act to *address any specific allegations or investigate specific information.”
The Sunday People and the investigations website Exaro have established that the Home Office file contains evidence of a letter written by the boy’s mother.
She wrote to campaigning MP Geoffrey Dickens, fearing that her son had been groomed by a paedophile ring while working at the Buckingham Palace kitchens.
The boy was 16 at the time, putting him below the age of homosexual consent which was then 21 in England.
In Scotland homosexuality was still totally illegal.
Mr Dickens said at the time: “The boy told his parents he had been sexually abused by members of the Royal Household at the Palace.
“I am concerned the Palace could be part of a chain supplying young men to paedophiles in the diplomatic service.”
The 16-year-old went to work at the Palace in the early 1970s. After a few months his family noticed he was acting strangely.
A family friend told Exaro: “Things were OK when he first joined the Palace staff.
"After a few months, things started to turn a little strange.”
After what the source *described as an “incident” at Balmoral, the royal family’s Scottish home, the boy’s parents were told by a close friend who also worked at Buckingham Palace that their son was being sexually abused there.
The source added: “They got wind of this after an incident at Balmoral when he screamed in the night.”
The concerned friend, who worked for the royals at the time, immediately alerted the boy’s parents.
He told them: “This is something that you should have nothing to do with.”
Reports from the time reveal further details of the boy’s ordeal.
One says his parents discovered a *handwritten note from him.
It read: “What Buckingham Palace did for me was exploitation of the highest order.”
The boy’s mother said at the time: “My son was happy and normal until he went there.
"Then he changed completely. He refused to talk to us or discuss what he was up to.”
The boy’s father also claimed that young Palace staff were lavished with expensive gifts for “entertaining men”.
He added: “In some cases Palace *officials were involved.
“Afterwards, the servants got good references to take up posts abroad with wealthy employers.”
According to the Home Office files, the desperate parents wrote to Geoffrey Dickens for help.
The MP raised the mother’s concerns with the Home Secretary in 1983.
But Mr Dickens received a reply saying Leon Brittan felt it would not be practical to carry out a detailed investigation.
He wrote: “I need hardly assure you that the Royal Household is extremely concerned at these unsubstantiated *allegations and it is, of course, their policy to take every step to avoid an occurrence of such as is alleged.
There is nobody *currently employed in the Royal Household who is under the age of 18.”
Mr Brittan indicated that her son had worked at Buckingham Palace for a year, adding: “It is extremely difficult to *comment on the accuracy of the *allegations in the letter.”
But an even more chilling development is contained in the files, lending weight to the claims that a paedophile VIP ring was linked to the Palace.
During his time at Buckingham Palace, the 16-year-old was approached by notorious paedophile Sir Peter Hayman and was asked to work for him in Canada, where he was ambassador.
Hayman has been identified as a member of the VIP paedophile ring operating in Westminster and is known to have had royal connections.
He was desperate to have the boy working for him, even writing to his parents to ask them about taking his son on as a footman. Hayman said the boy would need winter clothes.
The parents never found out how Hayman knew their son.
But the source said: “They knew there was something wrong.”
The parents were so concerned by Hayman’s approach that they attempted to stop their son working for him, the family friend explained.
Exaro has established that the boy’s parents intervened to stop him going to Canada to work for Hayman.
Mr Watson, who has led the campaign for a full-scale inquiry into claims of child sex abuse at the heart of the Establishment, said: “In light of what we now know, any allegation of sexual crimes regarding Peter Hayman should be thoroughly investigated.
“He was protected by the Establishment at the time.
“The full extent of how his conduct was covered up has not been explained.”
The parents and their son have declined to comment on the allegations.
But the revelations link Buckingham Palace to a paedophile network of MPs and powerful figures that operated over many years in the UK.
Palace officials have already been linked to the notorious brothel the Elm Guest House in South West London.
Police are investigating archives on Hayman in a bid to find his links to other Establishment paedophiles.
"An abuse survivor, known as “Nick” to protect his identity, named one of his many VIP attackers as Hayman.
Nick picked Hayman out from a collection of pictures that Exaro showed to him, placing him at abuse parties with other paedophiles.
An appendix to a review by the Home Office last year reveals one of their missing files was called: “Sir Peter Hayman (1980-81 Papers Ex-Diplomat’s Intriguing Private Life).”
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http://rt.com/uk/170672-uk-politicians-pedophile-ring/
A whistleblower who kicked off UK police pedophile probe Operation Fernbridge believes as many as 40 British MPs and peers were involved in or turned a blind eye to child abuse.
Peter Mckelvie, a retired child protection team manager, who has spent more than 20 years compiling evidence of alleged child abuse by people in authority, believes ten current and former politicians are on the list and that there is enough evidence to arrest at least one senior politician, reports the Daily Telegraph.
MPs and peers from all three main political parties are on the list including Cyril Smith and Sir Peter Morrison, who are now dead.
McKelvie was behind bringing Peter Righton, a notorious pedophile, to justice when he worked for Hereford and Worcester child protection team and believes that up to 20 MPs and Lords should be investigated.
“I believe there are sufficient grounds to carry out a formal investigation into allegations of up to 20 MPs and Lords over the last three decades, some still alive and some dead. The list is there,” he said.
And in a letter to his local MP Tony Baldry last month, McKelvie suggested that a further 20 may be implicated in covering up child abuse.
Although he does not suggest that any of the public servants either MPs or Lords colluded with each other.
It was Tom Watson MP who first raised the issue of child abuse by MPs and peers at Prime Minister’s Questions in October 2012 as a result of information that McKelvie had passed to him.
Watson spoke of “clear intelligence suggesting a powerful pedophile network linked to parliament and number 10.”
It was after Watson’s intervention that the Metropolitan Police began Operation Fernbridge, an ongoing investigation about alleged child abuse at the Elms Guest House in Barns, South London.
It is understood that a Tory MP abused a child under the age of 10 at the guesthouse in the 1980s, but the alleged victim has so far refused to give a sworn witness statement to police.
Earlier this week it emerged that a separate file on an alleged Westminster pedophile network, which had been put together by the now deceased MP Geofrey Dickens, mysteriously gone missing after he handed it to the then Home Secretary Lord Brittan in 1983.
Labor MP Simon Danczuk, along with six other MPs, has written to the Home Secretary Theresa May demanding a public inquiry into the missing dossier and the people who had been named in it.
Mrs May said she has not ruled out an inquiry after the police finish their investigations and Prime Minister Cameron also tried to give reassurance that the issue would not be swept under the carpet.
“I’ve asked the permanent secretary at the Home Office to do everything he can to find answers to all of these questions and to make sure we can reassure people about these events. Its right these investigations are made. We mustn’t do anything, of course, that could prejudice or prevent proper action by the police,” he said.
Separately it was reported Friday by the Telegraph that a senior Tory who is being investigated as part of Operation Fernbridge, was stopped by customs officials with child pornography in the 1980s but was never arrested.
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pedophiles in the 70s in England --its pretty shocking what was going on
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26352378
http://ampp3d.mirror.co.uk/2014/07/0...buse-scandals/
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Shocking and disgraceful 16 . . . (hey, what can we call you for short ?Originally posted by 161803398
), but this is by no means confined to the UK as you know. I was about to mention the Dutroux/Belgium ring but a quick look shows me it was in the 1990s (I thought it was before then). This is everywhere - worldwide, emphasis on the word IS.
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Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQNitCNycKQ
This lady knows so much its hard for her to get it out fast enough. She talks about a lot, including the reasons for all the pedophilia.
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Here is part 2 of Kay Griggs interviews.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2-SEA9W6pmA
I've watched these videos before - four in all - and although the upload date is 2011 they were actually taped in 1998. What I find most disturbing is that there is nothing current about her at all - she seems to have disappeared into thin air. Here's a link to an article about her on Rense:
http://www.rense.com/general67/evil.htm
Last edited by Calabash, 26th January 2015 at 11:47. Reason: bloody spelling - again!
Red Ice Radio
http://www.redicecreations.com/speci...l/kgriggs.html
There is something wrong with her web site. Suspicions may well be justified.
I tend to believe there is truth in what she is saying simply because most of it has occurred to me as a possibility as one of the logical explanations for the types of behavior we are seeing before our eyes. Most of the politicians in America and around the world seem to have been compromised in some way and I would suspect is sex or drug activity of some kind accompanied by pictures and blackmail. Many of the things she says are hearsay though and could be exaggerated somewhat. However, she is obviously talking from memory and is saying what she believes to be true.
Even with the potential for exaggeration, it all sounds very believable to me. Its certainly more believable than the BS we have been hearing for years from our governments and the media.
Last edited by 161803398, 26th January 2015 at 08:11.
I had a friend who told me a story about what happened to him in Germany years ago. He was originally from Lebanon and a strikingly good looking guy. He said he met some men in the movie industry who told him they were producers. They invited him out for dinner and after they went back to their apartment. They told him they could eventually send him to Hollywood but first they would put him in a movie in Germany to see how he did. There was one catch. They wanted to have sex with him. They showed him pictures of themselves having sex with various movie actors. He said one of the actors was Tony Curtis. I never believed that story until Anthony Perkins talked before he died of aids. He said no one gets anywhere in Hollywood fast as an actor without sleeping with the producers. Maybe that's why Harrison Ford had to work in the construction business for such a long time.
AND...if none of what she says is true....then what on earth was behind abu ghraib?
It has to be true - nobody could keep up the pretence for 8 hours just like that. She might have embellished a few things (poetic licence and all that) but basically, I think, what she said is sound and it fits in with all the other stuff we've heard. I just hope she's OK but had misgivings as soon as I heard the first tape. It's good to listen to them a few times because there's always something that either you missed the first time or else it has more relevance because of current goings on. If she was OK then I'm sure other military wives would have come forward and spoken out, but there's been absolute zilch, no corroboration, no denial. That's the way things are done - just silence. Look at the recent Leon Brittan death - it's yesterday's news and the masses have switched off already and switched on to premiership football and (in UK) the coming general election. I'm going to write to each party and ask what they intend to do about the paedophile ministers before I give them my vote . . .
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