do we choose to be here for others to learn?

[ronin]

ok this may be difficult to express.
i have seen the icke picture of the childs head blown apart.
i have seen the video of a man holding just the head,shoulder and one arm of a child in a attack on Palestine.
we have earthquakes and tsunamis and war,not to mention the abuse that is being uncovered!

in a spiritual context are all these souls willing to come here to receive the abuse,early death,horrific death so we can all wake up?
i remember asking Jenci about people who died in a flood and she said they are ok?
meaning their souls i think.

so if we came here to teach and learn,just who are we teaching and who is learning?
new souls?old souls?
have we learnt nothing?

in the eye of god life is just a second and anything horrific that we experience will be greeted with love infinite.
is that why we agree to come back?
to experience?who would want to come back and experience abuse?
why come back and experience dying in a tsunami?
who is actually learning from this?

your HS?
who some say we are just a avatar of the HS so where is the free will?
lessons learnt but for whome?
source?

source is willing to let us live in all this war,abuse and greed?

something has to give!

[Spiral]

Its not about learning, its about growing & developing as conscious beings.

All that horror you speak of on D I's site, that is not going to do anything but instil anger, hatred & frustration in those who see it which binds them to the very thing they say they want free of.

source is willing to let us live in all this war,abuse and greed?

Source is giving people what they ask for, people live with so much hate & lust in their hearts and are so easily fooled by those who have worked out how it all works, well not "all" but enough to lead the slothful by the nose at any rate.

[Tribe]

Yes many horrendous nightmarish things in the world but the spotlight is never on the good deeds the blessings , the beautiful things that happen that expand our hearts .. If it was ,we would see a balance . A truthful picture of our consciousness manifest !

[ronin]

Its not about learning, its about growing & developing as conscious beings......spiral.

we as we are are just a physical being who is a avatar to our consciousness self!
so if we are being played by our consciousness HS then what is our true purpose as a physical being?
if after we die we return to full or even a fractal of self then what is the purpose of the physical?

i don,t get it!

none of us know if Consciousness exists beyond the physical,we may have the odd experience that will question our perceptive of the world but do we really know what Consciousness is?

[The One]

Its not about learning, its about growing & developing as conscious beings......spiral.

we as we are are just a physical being who is a avatar to our consciousness self!
so if we are being played by our consciousness HS then what is our true purpose as a physical being?
if after we die we return to full or even a fractal of self then what is the purpose of the physical?

i don,t get it!

none of us know if Consciousness exists beyond the physical,we may have the odd experience that will question our perceptive of the world but do we really know what Consciousness is?

I sometimes dont get it as well my friend.I sometimes think we are very lucky to be born where we are with so much hatred going on in the world.Some may say we chose to be born in a rich nation and this is all part of our learning process but can it actually be proven.Like anything else they are just words.The unfortunate thing is so many of us have our own belief system and what we think is the real deal who's to say any of it is true.I do believe we are here for a reason what that reason is i do not know.Maybe we are all part of some big advanced extraterrestrial sims game and they are playing us

Even though we have a beautiful planet its getting more dangerous each and every day.People will claim that next year or the year after something big will happen a change in the shift i think its called.

I do think though more and more people are waking up and not believing the rubbish that's been put upon us.All our governments are accountable for what they have done to us.

My advice follow your own path and leave a trail

cheers

[Ria]

Yes many horrendous nightmarish things in the world but the spotlight is never on the good deeds the blessings , the beautiful things that happen that expand our hearts .. If it was ,we would see a balance . A truthful picture of our consciousness manifest !

I am more than happy to read up on the good deeds done so post away.
I have experienced many extremes and expect others here to have had the same.
I am fortunate not to be in Palestine right now.
I am fortunate to of acquired good friends on my path.
It would feel uncomfortable to say I have done good deeds.

I may well have chosen to be here for others, ultimately we can only account for ourselves.

[ronin]

fook me you do not wanna follow my trail.
it,s wild and unbelievable and it has not finished yet.

[gardener]

Hello Ronin these are seriously good questions, questions to which we may never know the answers. gardener x

[Spiral]

Its not about learning, its about growing & developing as conscious beings......spiral.

we as we are are just a physical being who is a avatar to our consciousness self!
so if we are being played by our consciousness HS then what is our true purpose as a physical being?
if after we die we return to full or even a fractal of self then what is the purpose of the physical?

i don,t get it!

none of us know if Consciousness exists beyond the physical,we may have the odd experience that will question our perceptive of the world but do we really know what Consciousness is?

I know that consciousness exists beyond the physical & have had it proved to me beyond question time & time again, but I can't prove it to you, that is the whole point of the shift needed to be made.

This is between every line on the BV2 thread and others....

Ancient myths speak of how we are made to forget everything before we come here...........and so we have, it is worse for some than for others, not all arrived here with anything in the first place.

I am not so sure about the avatar acting stuff out, its more like we are a bunch of half asleep drunks aimlessly milling about most of the time, & the point is not to be.

[Highland1]

but do we really know what Consciousness is?

Now that is a great question ronin.
Sure it is a form of awareness allowing access to much deeper knowledge and communication but is it external to the body as well as internal? Does anyone truly know?
My gut feeling is that consciousness is something we tap into as individuals as we learn and become more aware of surrounding mysteries.
I also suspect it is almost fabric like and woven into time and space, and as we seek more knowledge, we access this akashic type oracle and claim the resulting thoughts to be that of our own unique higher self awareness shining light in the dark places we explore. However, I am not totally convinced that consciousness as we know it is a totally solitary experience.
By that I mean if one was to be truly totally enlightened surely one would be at one with all conscious life forms?
Perhaps this wonderful thing we call life is purely a vehicle to attain this shared conscious state of oneness?
After all, we do claim to be "we are one" do we not?
I can assure you I have questioned myself many times to my voices within as to whether they are actually my higher self or not even mine at all! Told you I was a little crazy but how can we be absolutely sure?
I also resonate with the idea that the consciousness of our ancestors somehow becomes active within us when we are so inclined to receive what they are trying to tell us.
If that is true then perhaps our very dna is the carrier of dormant consciousness passed through our personal bloodlines from our ancient past and we simply "activate" this as we strive to learn the truth from the lies?
The reason I say that, is when I have a deep thinking problem to resolve, it feels like there are dozens of people inside my head putting forth solutions to the problem in question!
Skizophrenic perhaps but some of these voices are much smarter than I, so, why should I surmise their source are actually from me or my higher self as opposed to my ancestral spirit guides?
So lovely people I dont really know the answer to the question as to what Consciousness is......but I would imagine collectively it is just to Be....and to know you are.....Being.

Russ

[BabaRa]

Just some random thoughts:

It never made sense to me that we are spirits who know everything - and then we come into this place and are made to forget everything so we can learn?!? That's as if every year you started your school studies with everything was erased that you had learned the year before. What!?!? Who would create such a system. IMO, either someone who wants to keep us from learning and moving forward . . . OR

Is it possible, as these all knowing beings in space, we get bored - and we see this as a play?

And, just as an stage actor selects different roles different times, we do the same thing. This time I want to be the princess, well after a while we get tired of being the princess, and we say: in the next play, I want to be the stalker, or whatever, just as actors are always saying they want to stretch to play different parts. . . . . and then - boom - and this is the sleep part . . . . somewhere along the way, we forget we are in a play or a movie, and we begin to think it's real. And the more we believe that, the more real and concrete it becomes.

I don't know which of the 2 scenarios above or correct - or if either of them are, but at the moment they are the only 2 choices that make any sense to this gal.

[Tribe]

A lifetime here on earth is minute compared with infinity .. A short time on earth in play mode is but a sneeze ! ?

[Seikou-Kishi]

Can the student not teach and the teacher not learn? Why do people believe they are only one half of this equation?

[ronin]

all good quotes and a few examples of how the cup is half full or not.

sometimes there is no teacher so therefore no student and it is what we make of our understanding.
then we can go into the airy fairy world of just being!
just be who you are!can we really do that?are we capable of just being?

we often here the words awaken,people are becoming more aware in our 3d lifes.
then their is the 4d and 5d that people search for or hope to gain.

and all the while they are searching for something else they are missing out on their being in the now?

their are many famous quotes from people across the ages and that was their perspective of life in their time.

nobody has come back anywhere and said ,hey this is it i have found it!

someone once told me they would be happy when i said i know nothing!

fact is what do we know?the ego seeks to know everything.
when maybe in fact there is nothing to seek.....

[Catsquotl]

OK.

You are a Young parent. The island you live on has been caught off from the mainland for some reason.
Your baby needs formula as do the babies of your neighbours.
As it seems the connection to a fresh supply will have to wait for a few more months and in the store there is just the one pack of formula left.

I doubt any one of us would let his/her child die to give let another's baby get the formula.
I doubt any one of us would not get down to the level of mere barbarian to get that last pack.

If we have anything to teach its that nothing human is beside us.. Maybe acceptance of that fact and just try to see the difference between neccesisty and wants.

With Love
Eelco