Treatment of dental fluorosis

[lookbeyond]

Hi to All,

Does anyone have any experience with dental fluorosis.My children were diagnosed with this about 18 months ago by a Holistic dentist.My son has developed an obvious cavity in the past 6 months despite good oral hygiene.
There are 2 other teeth which have begun to decay (all 3 teeth are affected by fluorosis)The holistic dentist wants to drill away the weakened part of all 3 teeth ,even though 2 teeth do not appear to have a "hole" they are beginning to decay and she wants to prevent further decay.

This dental practice advocates the works of Dr Weston Price who believed that traditional food preparation such as soaking grains and fermentation which reduces phytic acid consumption and a diet including meat, animal broth, raw dairy, minimal fruit but more vegetables and a supplement of fermented cod liver oil combined with raw butter oil, can not only prevent tooth decay but also help to remineralise teeth.

A Dr Ramiel Nagel wrote a book "Cure Tooth Decay"- ive yet to read this book but will, has anyone read this book?

My question is this- Can diet and supplements alone, remove accrued fluoride in teeth?

In my mind it would logically follow that if this is possible, then the remineralisation process could occur with the correct nutrition.

Also, ive been reading about Xylitol, a natural sweetener. I found something on my reading around the internet about I think the country is Norway, using this for children (instead of fluoride) as a dental prophylactic. Apparantly children suck on a xylitol lollie after eating and this reduces plaque formation on teeth.

Does anyone have anything negative to say about Xylitol as I thought i might start using it in baking, you can even get xylitol chocolate- there you go...


Ive been emotionally distressed for months about my childrens teeth, you see i took them to the regular dentist from the time when they were little as all "good" mothers do.In fact we used to frequent a paediatric specialist, so we got extra good care, so ive been complicit in destroying my beautiful childrens teeth. Ive gone from anger to helplessness to abject fear about all of this.Finally im able to be constructive tho i feel like crying about this and still do, there are times when i feel like they have been physically assaulted, this is also why i want to avoid drilling/filling as much as possible.

Our appointment is this Tuesday, at least one filling is necessary, if anyone has any experience/opinions especially in reguards to my 2 questions i will await your reply, thanks lookbeyond


Also,does anyone know if iodine can remove, fluoride from teeth, the holistic dentist recommended 3 drops/day but i dont know if this was for general elimination or will dislodge from teeth and bones- cant find anything much around on the internet,lb

[Sooz]

Hi lookbeyond.

I am not a Dentist and by no means an expert on teeth. I only have my own history to go by.

My sense is that your children's teeth problems are caused by genetics. Just a wild stab in the dark, but that is the feeling I'm getting.

I have used Xylitol for years now in place of sugar. It is very good for your teeth.

If you are going to a holistic Dentist, I would assume he/she would have the best interests for your children's teeth versus a conventional Dentist.

I had some dire issues with my teeth, gums actually, not the teeth, a couple of years ago. I had not been to the Dentist for over 10 years, because a) I had a morbid fear of the Dentist due to bad experiences, and b) I simply could not afford it.

Long story short, I did a LOT of research, I started using a dental oil, 'Pro Dental 7' (start page it), it cured my gum disease. The Dentist wanted to charge me over $5,000 to strip my gums and clean underneath....NOT! The secret in the Pro Dental 7 oil is manuka oil, anyway after 3 months it cured my gum disease. I still use it as a maintenance dose at night and use tea tree oil as a mouthwash in the morning.

I would also recommend using a toothpaste called 'Manuka & Propolis Toothpaste with Manuka Oil'.

The reason why I say it's genetic for you, is that my son who is 16, eats and drinks the worst crap in the world (doesn't live with me) and his teeth are perfect. Only been to the dentist once in his life to have them cleaned. He grew up without fluoridation. His father has perfect teeth and he has inherited this gene, not mine. Although my teeth are good, the gum disease came up when I was in my 50's, other than that, no problems.

Hope this helps a bit and please try not to feel helpless. You are doing the best you can and you cannot help genetics. Just work around it.

Any questions, please feel free to pm me.

Love Sooz

[Sooz]

Just another source of information - try 'Dr Group'. He has a great website where perhaps you might find some answers.

[lookbeyond]

Thanks Sooz, sadly when my children were little i did the 6 monthly fluoride treatments and fluoride "cement" as recommended by a paediactric dental specialist- caused much grief in the home as was expensive and my husband couldnt see the need- now look at me..

[Altaira]

I can understand your frustration lookbeyond, I have to say that until 3 years ago I wasn't aware of the dangers of the fluoride and conventional dentistry but as soon as I found out about it I eliminated fluoride intake in any form. My son is 6 yo and he's always had healthy white teeth. It was at one of his regular dental check ups when I asked his dentist what is the paste he is putting on his teeth and why as his teeth are healthy. He answered he puts fluoride paste which is good for his teeth but I refused and since then they do not put this s.... * on my boy's teeth.
Thinking of this now I have to say that the reason why he has so healthy teeth is because he's never brushed his teeth with conventional toothpaste. Even before I knew about the dangers of those products I was washing his teeth just with wet toothbrush because he refused to put any toothpaste in his mouth, kids sense this.

There are ways of reversing tooth decay and I think the diet is extremely important. I think you are lucky to have holistic dentist but it will take some time and determination to fix your kids teeth. Teeth are made of extremely dense material and as such it will take time to change its structure and heal. Here is what I found about it.

Have you heard the controversy about fluoride and the negative effects it has on your body? Perhaps you've wondered if those rumors are true, or if all the buzz on the matter is just a bunch of hogwash.

Well, we’re here to tell you . . . it IS true. Fluoride can have many negative effects on your body’s systems. So, now that your eyes have been opened it’s time to get that nasty toxin out of your system. But how can it be removed from your bloodstream and body – safely and effectively?

Detoxifying with Boron, Iodine, and Pure Distilled Water

Boron is a worthy fluoride remover. Adding to your diet foods which are rich in boron, such as raisins, dates, dried apricots, red kidney beans, hazel nuts, brazil nuts, walnuts, almonds and peanut butter, will clean the fluoride out of your system.

It’s also worth noting that Boron has anti-cancer properties. It can wipe out fungus and decrease mycotoxins which are the true cause behind cancer, arthritis, candida and polycystic ovarian syndrome.

Another option is iodine. It’s been clinically proven that iodine removes fluoride from your body by flushing out the system through urination. Besides taking an iodine supplement, foods which are high in iodine include sea vegetables (like seaweed), cranberries, yogurt, navy beans, strawberries and dairy products. Since cleansing your body is your goal, it’s always best to buy only the organic varieties when detoxing and thereafter.

Eliminating fluoride with iodine diminishes the calcium in your body, so it is advised to take a highly absorbable calcium/magnesium supplement as well as lecithin (which can be found in egg yolk, milk, legumes, Atlantic cod, salmon, shrimp, broccoli, and Brussels sprouts).

Increasing your iodine intake immediately cleanses your body of bromide, fluoride and many other heavy metals like mercury, lead, cadmium and aluminum.

Dry Saunas

When combined with exercise, dry saunas release sodium fluoride stored in fatty tissues by “sweating it out.” It can be intense enough to cause side effects or an occasional healing crisis. In order to combat this, keep your pure distilled water intake high and drink some chickweed tea to protect the kidneys while using a highly absorbable calcium/magnesium supplement. Lecithin is another useful adjunct to this method for fluoride detoxification.

This method should be done on a regular schedule by first exercising vigorously for 30 minutes, followed by an hour of sauna time, a cold shower, and another hour of dry sauna time, for a period of two weeks. It’s important to keep in mind that the main goal of this process is to sweat out the toxins as much as possible. Bananas are great to replenish your potassium and avoid eating acidic foods if trying this method of detox. Flood your system with distilled water to compensate for the water loss through perspiration. Salt tablets are helpful to replenish the salt loss.

http://www.insidershealth.com/articl...ke_action/5044

Tamarind is commonly used in Ayurvedic medicine. The pulp, bark and leaves are used to make teas, which have been shown to eliminate fluoride through urine.

[lookbeyond]

Thanks Altaira, i have not been able to find out if fluoride which is lodged in the teeth (dental fluorosis,which makes them more susceptable to cavity) is actually able to be removed with detox, that is my main question.If it is able to be removed from teeth ie not bound up structurally then i may be able to not have the two least affected teeth drilled and filled, lb

[Altaira]

I've not read enough to know for sure but as far as my understanding reaches I think the fluoride prevents proper absorption of calcium thus it doesn't go to the bones and teeth but to the soft tissues like liver, kidneys and pineal gland. This deprives teeth mineralisation and provokes their decay. I might be wrong but if you find how exactly fluoride works you will be able to fight it effectively. There is a lot on the net, I've not looked at it in depth.

[Moonlight]

I agree with Sooz, that in most part, it would be genetics. I grew up with "fluoride treatments" at school... awful little red pills that stained your mouth, and so did my daughter. Because I didn't know better, we used fluoride toothpaste. I didn't frequent the dentist that much, but when we did, we got the special fluoride treatment. We both have very good teeth, no problems there. Since we now have the knowledge, fluoride toothpaste has gone from our homes. I personally use a natural toothpaste with essential oils, namely cinnamon and tea tree oil. Once in a while I use sodium bicarbonate and rinse my mouth with sea salt in water.

Since I've read SK's post in the Tent, I'm thinking of making my own toothpaste. I does not sound too complicated... LOL I like simple things. There are many anti-bacterial and tasty essential oils, and my mind is already having fun imagining the mixes I could use. I have a feeling though that I will stick to something with tea tree oil, as I know it works and is a favourite.

I don't know about xylitol, but from SK's post I see that there is the "all natural" kind and the chemical kind. Go natural!

I would say get the decayed tooth fixed, and maybe wait a while for the other two preventive fixes. It will give you time to sort things out and try some of the things you found.

I would choose simple things... simple is, as simple does (hehe). Complicated stuff tends to clog my mind and then I just don't know what to do... Simple, I can do that.

Let your food be your medicine.

P.S. I take this opportunity to thank SK for that very informative post in the tent. Your the best SK ! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us. xoxo

[Highland1]

Hi lookbeyond,

Sooz mentioned in another thread the benefits of using turmeric to whiten teeth. In fact after to speaking to some pakistani friends, it turns out it is quite common practice for them using it.
As a result, I mix a little turmeric in with my regular flouride free toothpaste and also a dash of baking soda and it works a treat.

However there have been many new revelations about this wonderful herb recently.
Besides killing cancer cells it can also destroy damage caused by flouride.
So brushing your teeth carefully with some turmeric may well do more than just whiten them.

Here is a link well worth a read to verify this:

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/spi...47748-87649069

I have bought a massive bag of pure ground turmeric from one of the many asian markets here and am literally finding many other ways to digest turmeric.
Warm milk, palm sugar and a teaspoon of turmeric is wonderful before bedtime.
Adding some to smoothies or herbal tea is also great too.
Not meaning to go on a tangent of course but fluoride itself is a problem in any part of our bodies and its in almost everything.
If turmeric actually does destroys flouride poisoning, it is very cheap and easy to find.
Who would have thought a food dye could take out one of the cabals most lethal weapons.....Flouride!

Think I will have some on my porridge tomorrow!

Russ

[Seikou-Kishi]

I'm afraid I don't know of any way of restoring teeth affected by fluorosis to their natural state. Xylitol both in the mouth and in the bloodstream convinces the body to remineralise the teeth, so this might be an avenue to explore, however there is a difference between adding mineralisation that isn't there and replacing unwanted mineralisation like fluorosis. There are many people who consider switching to fluoride-free water and toothpaste (etc.) is effective in removing dental fluorosis (it, at least, would stop it getting any worse) but from my understandning fluorosis is not a here-today kind of thing.

[lookbeyond]

Yes SK ,from what ive read and researched it seems that fluorosis is permanent whether it be in just the enamel or further into the dentine-the holistic dentist cant answer it.My sons tooth in her opinion will need a crown in 5 years and may need root canal therapy to "save" the tooth structure.I questioned why she would do root canal therapy and she stated that if the person is otherwise healthy, thed do do it. Im feeling devastated with the outcome,the secong tooth was also badly decayed when she drilled so im glad i did not wait to remineralise because it probably wouldnt have worked.
This holistic dentist told me that one of the other dentists sons tried to remineralise his tooth, i dont know if it was the enamel or dentine ,using Dr Weston Prices diet strategy, it didnt work- interestingly when i went there yesterday all the Weston Price literature/pamphlets were gone- i feel gutted and afraid by all of this.The bill was 4 times that of a conventional dentist- we dont have health insurance.She told me its because they use the best and most longlasting fillings, yet yesterday she told me we may get 5 years out of the fillings.

The dentist wanted me to go back today for the third weakened area to be x rayed and probably drilled, another $4oo.So it seems rapid decay of fluorosis affected teeth is inevitable.This all happened because i did not take them for clean and xray for 12 months because i was so shocked and afraid to go to a dentist following the fluorosis diagnosis, i can barely live with the guilt and i dont know how to cope with it

[norman]

The clue is in the name.

"fluorosis"

As it is now quite well established that the fluoride in the water is NOT to protect our little darling's teeth, but for another more eugenic like purpose, why not join the obvious dots and consider the possibility that fluorosis is actually caused by fluoride in the water?

I really don't know, one way or the other. I DO know that anything the establishment boffs tell us has to be ( almost always ) reversed before we can consider it useful.

[Seikou-Kishi]

The clue is in the name.

"fluorosis"

As it is now quite well established that the fluoride in the water is NOT to protect our little darling's teeth, but for another more eugenic like purpose, why not join the obvious dots and consider the possibility that fluorosis is actually caused by fluoride in the water?

I really don't know, one way or the other. I DO know that anything the establishment boffs tell us has to be ( almost always ) reversed before we can consider it useful.

There has never been any doubt that fluoridated water causes fluorosis. Any dentist will admit that.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Yes SK ,from what ive read and researched it seems that fluorosis is permanent whether it be in just the enamel or further into the dentine-the holistic dentist cant answer it.My sons tooth in her opinion will need a crown in 5 years and may need root canal therapy to "save" the tooth structure.I questioned why she would do root canal therapy and she stated that if the person is otherwise healthy, thed do do it. Im feeling devastated with the outcome,the secong tooth was also badly decayed when she drilled so im glad i did not wait to remineralise because it probably wouldnt have worked.
This holistic dentist told me that one of the other dentists sons tried to remineralise his tooth, i dont know if it was the enamel or dentine ,using Dr Weston Prices diet strategy, it didnt work- interestingly when i went there yesterday all the Weston Price literature/pamphlets were gone- i feel gutted and afraid by all of this.The bill was 4 times that of a conventional dentist- we dont have health insurance.She told me its because they use the best and most longlasting fillings, yet yesterday she told me we may get 5 years out of the fillings.

The dentist wanted me to go back today for the third weakened area to be x rayed and probably drilled, another $4oo.So it seems rapid decay of fluorosis affected teeth is inevitable.This all happened because i did not take them for clean and xray for 12 months because i was so shocked and afraid to go to a dentist following the fluorosis diagnosis, i can barely live with the guilt and i dont know how to cope with it

I assume by the $ that you don't live in the UK? A decent hypnotist could do something about it, but you'd have to find one who realised he could do it; if he doubted he could do it but agreed anyway, his hesitancy would be picked up by your children's subconscious when they were being hypnotised. At the most dramatic, it would be possible to convince their bodies to eject the teeth as though they were milk teeth and regrow them. You could start with the most badly effected or a prominent tooth like an incisor. Bodies have the capacity, it is just not the norm in humans. It doesn't mean it can't be switched on. You would have to find a hypnotist used to dealing with unconventional ideas, like those trained by Dolores Cannon (although I find her a little too prosaic and superficial, so I'd have to wonder what perspicacity her trainees might have).

Many hypnotists do not realise that they could have much more profound effects with their hypnosis if they were hypnotised periodically too. If the hypnotist is hypnotised and, when in trance, convinced of the power of the subconscious mind and our ability, through hypnosis, to utilise that power to achieve dramatic and "impossible" results, they will be much more effective. It is amazing what is possible when we refuse to allow that something might be impossible.

[shamanseeker]

I had no idea of how to fight fluorosis before reading the above.

I just wanted to add the following. When I first learnt how to do reiki healing, I started to drink a bottled green tea which seemed to be harmless. After a very short time my teeth started to hurt. I was worried because I had very little money and couldn't do anything about it. I did some self-healing with the reiki energies. I didn't know if teeth could be healed in this way but I had no choice but to try. I did it on the train going to work every day. It takes 45 minutes. To my surprise my teeth healed! I know a lot of people won't believe this but I know it can happen.

Of course, there's no saying that fluorosis can be healed in this way but I feel I should let you know of my experience.

Have you noticed that the medical profession nearly always talks about disease or ailments as not reversible? Something inside of me has always rejected that.