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    Nothing new ... stating the obvious.

    Weakened US Unable To Fight More Wars

    By Gordon Duff and Press TV


    While America talks going to war in Europe, those who follow the real condition of America’s military forces, active duty, reserve and veterans, they know it to be nothing but empty talk. Over a dozen years of war has left America’s military manpower exhausted, physically, mentally and “politically.”

    Any new war will have to be fought without experienced non-commissioned officers or top special operations professionals. Studies now show that they haven’t simply given up on military service, but that an entire generation of American military is dead, dying or disabled.


    War Hoax

    Fewer Americans are willing to believe, willing to blindly follow, willing to die for what more and more now clearly see as wars for Wall Street.

    Perhaps the most carefully hidden impact on America’s ability to wage war is the epidemic of military/veteran suicides, numbers far more than anyone imagined. Current suicide numbers actually exceed the total combat deaths from both the Vietnam and Korean wars.


    Current “Epic Failure”

    There is a reason that American troop deployments into Poland and Latvia are so pitiful, despite the fact that nearly all US troops are out of the Middle East. America’s “war games” deployment meant to intimidate Putin’s Russia accentuates a frightening fact few are aware of. America’s trained military “inventory” is nearly totally depleted.

    They aren’t just “quit” or retired, in truth, America has had well over 100,000 combat related deaths tied to Desert Storm and the Global War on Terror that it has failed to report. Some, well over 10,000, are from mysterious “Gulf War Syndrome,” reputed to be a “cocktail” of radiation and chemical exposure along with experimental vaccines.

    However, the majority are suicides. In 2009, a press release from the Department of Veterans Affairs cited 30,000 “veteran suicides” among those who served post 9/11. Within a day, that figure was never to be seen again and the machinery of disinformation went into high gear. For the past five years there have only been reports of so many “deaths per minute” or fractional counts from active duty personnel.


    Astounding Numbers

    Two weeks ago, Russia Today did an analysis of census data from the year 2010. They found that 116,000 Americans had committed suicide that year. Of that number, 82,000 had reported whether or not they had served in the military. Of that 82,000, 27,000 were veterans.

    Were one to factor in the remaining 34,000 who failed to report status and factor a statistical mean, between 18,500 and 22,000 younger veterans died, all attributable to Bush 41/43 “wars of convenience.”

    Thus, wars the public has been told account for no more than 6,000 dead actually account for 6000 direct combat deaths, over 100,000 “indirect” combat deaths and over 1 million permanent and totally disabled trained military age “veterans.”

    What remains with this kind of manpower loss places the idea of a multi-front war, as described in America’s new Pacific Rim strategy, as pure fantasy. Is this, perhaps, the rationale for billions spent on drones?


    Vietnam Lesson

    Another figure was released to the public in 2009, released and quickly “evaporated” from the public eye. A charity raising money for veteran’s causes gleaned the real number of survivors from the Vietnam War. Of the 2.9 million that had served in Vietnam, some only a few days or weeks, only 780,000 could be verified by both the Department of Defense and Department of Veterans Affairs as having survived.

    After this, figures were no longer released to the public. However, the damage had been done and statisticians had extrapolated some interesting information from what little was leaked. American combat veterans have a life expectancy of 46 years.


    Government Complicity/Public Apathy

    At the end of every war, the American people generally tire of hearing about it. With Vietnam, a war the American people came to oppose en masse, blaming those who fight in wars for the failures of American society and culture became the rule.

    “War heroes” quickly became “baby killers” or “fear crazed vets.” Veterans were denied employment, subjected to public scorn and the hundreds of thousands suffering from Agent Orange poisoning and combat related stress were looked on as a burden to society.

    It became a Conservative cause to label veterans as “deadbeats” and a drain on society. The service organizations, with their tremendous political power, were still dominated by World War II veterans and saw younger vets as threatening their “ride on the gravy train.”
    This policy has not only continued but in the divisive political climate in the US, veterans are being targeted. Videos of police killings of veterans, typically an angry veteran in a wheel chair holding a mobile phone that police claim is “mistaken” for an assault rifle or bomb, fill YouTube.

    Recently, a 95-year-old World War II veteran was shot by a SWAT team for attacking police with a machete. The weapon turned out to be a “shoe horn,” and police, only 5 feet away, were unable to tell the difference.

    Last week, a report by CNN cited the Department of Veterans Affairs, tasked with providing medical care for veterans, as having secret waiting lists. In one hospital, Phoenix, Arizona, they found that 40 veterans had died awaiting treatment for what turned out to be easily diagnosed “life ending” conditions that could have been treated.

    It is assumed that veterans needing expensive medical care were lied to and sent home to die. Moreover, those veterans who complain, the “whistleblowers” face another fate. According to attorney Robert Walsh of the Veterans Pro-Bono Legal Project, as many as 200 veterans are now imprisoned illegally, having been wrongfully prosecuted after complaining of fraud in government veterans’ programs.


    Nobody Left to Fight Wars of Aggression

    America has violated a “sacred trust.” When “shock and awe” became a decade of war with no more talk of “Al Qaeda” but rather of “extremists” and “insurgents,” it became increasingly clear that America’s wars for “security” were colonial wars of conquest. No rational person could believe otherwise although years of social engineering intended to breed a generation of compliant acolytes, trained from birth to never question even the most absurd and baseless propaganda.

    Simply put, the idea of America reassuming the role of NATO protector is absurd. What few European bases remain have only skeleton forces. Barracks stand empty, bowling alleys closed, civilian contractors guarding the empty shell of what NATO had once been.


    http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/05...ght-more-wars/

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    Of course, the above is for those who deal in logic.

    Unfortunately, that eliminates most of our politicians. John McCain has been beating the war drum on every talk show that will have him - which is most of them.

    Since our gov't knows that the american public has no stomach for another war, they're doing everything they can to provoke Putin into making the first move.

    To date, he has wisely refused to cooperate.
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    Quote Originally posted by BabaRa View Post
    Of course, the above is for those who deal in logic.

    Unfortunately, that eliminates most of our politicians. John McCain has been beating the war drum on every talk show that will have him - which is most of them.

    Since our gov't knows that the american public has no stomach for another war, they're doing everything they can to provoke Putin into making the first move.

    To date, he has wisely refused to cooperate.

    Politicians follow perfect logic ... that of psychopathic puppets who are bought, paid for or else completely mind controlled.


    Situation in the Ukraine is beyond anything we have really witnessed before. Happened many times yet never so much in our face with ***PROOF*** released on a regular basis.


    ... and yet ...


    ... what may come of it (if anything)???



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    McCain & Nuland seem to think that they can get European armies to fight Russia, but they are very ignorant as to how the rest of the world thinks & acts, and its cultural history.

    Germany & many other counties not only rely on Russian gas, they also now have excellent trading relations too.

    Then there is the memory of what it is like to be in a war, not to "participate" in a war but to be part of it, something the USA knows nothing of,..... having whole cities laid waste, hordes of refugees fleeing, infrastructure & great cultural buildings destroyed, families ripped apart.

    Its not just the servicemen who are on the brunt of it whilst everyone else's life goes on as normal when you're at war with a neighbour, its every child, every women & every man.

    We have moved a long way since WW2, we now have weapons with a global reach, maybe US politicos have forgotten that what with fighting backward countries for decades, Russia is a whole different ball game, & the advantages on the battlefield that the US has come to take for granted such as air superiority would just evaporate as well.

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    I agree with Spiral's statement above.

    It will be interesting to see if the NSA had picked up any seriously detrimental information on the EU leaders - and if we will use it to twist their arms to our way of thinking. That's why we were listening, was it not. To use it when it was needed.

    Hopefully what they found wasn't serious enough - or if it was, the populace will rise up against any of the EU leaders who start collapsing to our will.

    Then of course, there's the usual method of: Some false flag on the EU which is made to look as if it came from Putin. Do I sound cynical? Maybe just a realist. One who hopes the throngs have grown wise enough to all this manipulation.

    One thing for sure, tptb don't give up easy. But it does seem the Alternative medias have averted much of their skullduggery recently. Hopefully they can continue with the good work they do and be able to stay one or two steps ahead of them.

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    Theme song for skullduggery being imposed on the hapless citizens of Ukraine (soon to explode 10 fold on amerikans)???


    Dirty deeds done dirt cheep ...


    *sigh*


    Someone ... somewhere ... (despite all the fired generals) ... needs to straighten this sh!t out soon.



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    I live very near one of the primary military training bases for the US. What is interesting to me is that is not being reported (that I have seen) is that the US Army is being pared down to a fraction of its former size. The army will soon have but one single, standing brigade, which happens to be the one stationed at Camp Shelby since the early 2000's, training soldiers for all the various wars and conflicts we have been involve with over the last ten or so years. To me, the fact that the Army is winding down to this extent, while good news on the surface, has some serious implications when one considers it opposed to the standing army of Homeland Security.
    Sometimes God shines his magic light beam from outer space, and it works in mysterious ways.

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