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    Quote Originally posted by Moonlight View Post


    Great Reminder, Moonlight, Thank You.

    As for Jesus: Much has been written about whether he was crucified or not in the research book 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail'. Their consensus (3 authors) was: he probably wasn't, or if he was he was removed before he died and continued to live on.

    Many people where crucified during that time period as it was the Romans preferred method of 'teaching the enemy a lesson', so if Jesus was crucified, he was one of a great many.

    How he died is unimportant to me.

    But ask yourself, if he did die and was resurrected as Christians believe - why all the emphasis on the crucifixion rather than the resurrection!?
    Why all the bowing and praying to Jesus on the cross? - which has become the main symbol of Christianity. Why isn't the main symbol the resurrection.

    It couldn't be to keep the throngs in guilt - "he died for our sins" is one of the biggest con jobs going, imo.

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    Quote Originally posted by BabaRa View Post
    But ask yourself, if he did die and was resurrected as Christians believe - why all the emphasis on the crucifixion rather than the resurrection!?
    Why all the bowing and praying to Jesus on the cross? - which has become the main symbol of Christianity. Why isn't the main symbol the resurrection.

    It couldn't be to keep the throngs in guilt - "he died for our sins" is one of the biggest con jobs going, imo.
    I agree totally, this is the biggest deception of all.

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    bloody hell you spoil sports next you gonna tell me Santa and the tooth fairy don,t exist as well

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    It does'nt matter now, as he is now in the past and is of no moment.

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    Love is never in the past and is always present, we only have to detach and accept what is, to be Love!! Simplistic in verbage but not without great correction and personal change in reality

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    There have been many beings with Christ consciousness.

    The one thing that has been crucified....is the Truth.


    Russ

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    My understanding of "Jesus died on the cross to save the world from our sins" cannot be true. Experiencing this world is evidence enough of that fact.

    No, I do not accept that there was a person living on this planet who could possibly be known as the son of God. No father would intentionally inflict any suffering on his son God is love, not jealousy or cruelty nor arrogance.

    There is a conclusion that "Jesus" was possibly a nickname given to mushrooms, developed by John Allegro.

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    Quote Originally posted by Moonlight View Post
    This would be lovely if it were true. It is literally true that Siddartha Gautama wasn't a Buddhist, because Buddhism didn't exist. It's literally true that Jesus wasn't a Christian for the same reason. Perhaps we could say the same of Mohammed, but a cult-leader is usually a member of his cult even if different rules apply to him.

    But Love? No. Absolutely not. Siddartha Gautama is the least offensive person on this list because, while he didn't preach love, he didn't preach hatred. Jesus was a petty, irritable ****** who promoted the thugish brutality of the Old Testament god to psychological abuse and everlasting torture. Such a preacher of love. As for Mohammed. Pfft. The lousy paedophile was a belligerent cultist who used violence to spread his sway over the minds of ignorant Arabs.

    It might be lovely and all sweetness and light to say this, but it is wishful thinking. How grand it would all be if all these three taught love and love was their religion. What a great deal we could find in common when we realise all these people have just been "lovists" all their lives, confused only by different words and names. But it's not true. None of them preached love.

    Individual Buddhists can be loving, just like individual Christians and Muslims can be. It is not because their books are a bestowal of charity and kindness. This is no truer than to make the same claim of Darwin's Origin of Species. All these plants and animals spreading their genetic inheritance by combining two different genders... well, I guess all Darwin really talked about was LOVE.

    Wouldn't it be lovely if all the world's religions promoted love and nothing more? Sure it would, but let's not confused wouldn't-it-be-lovely-ifs with ises and ares.

    It seems as though this was made by somebody who realises that the religions of the world are the biggest obstacles in the path of peace and harmony, but has fallen to the naiveté of believing hollow platitudes will be of some sort of utility. They taught love! When you gouge your eye out for having looked at another woman, well, you'd forgotten it was supposed to be about the love! When women are forced to marry their rapists and everybody's up in arms about the injustice, we've missed the love buried beneath that righteous injunction.

    They taught love. They taught nothing of the sort! If love managed to squeeze its way into their bile, that is the miracle. Even idiots all those years ago realised some degree of love helped when you acquired your she-chattel/wife from her father/previous owner.
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    Quote Originally posted by Seikou-Kishi View Post
    It seems as though this was made by somebody who realises that the religions of the world are the biggest obstacles in the path of peace and harmony, but has fallen to the naiveté of believing hollow platitudes will be of some sort of utility.
    For people who are beginning to question the path they thought was the only one, this is a good nudge in the right direction but as you say, replacing one fallacy with another doesn't really help much. This is a starting point, but as you have done, they have to question even the "new truth" to find a deeper truth.

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    A lot of people in the east believe that 'Jesus' did not die on the cross but was a 'Buddha-type holy man. The Tibetans believe it and there are stories in Japan of a figure like this. I'm inclined to believe this and I believe that the organised Christian religion invented the Christ of the Christian churches to mislead and control people because if you read the New Testament 'Christ' speaks of love but the 'Christian' religions rely heavily on the judgmental Old Testament.

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    Quote Originally posted by BabaRa View Post
    Great Reminder, Moonlight, Thank You.

    As for Jesus: Much has been written about whether he was crucified or not in the research book 'Holy Blood, Holy Grail'. Their consensus (3 authors) was: he probably wasn't, or if he was he was removed before he died and continued to live on.

    Many people where crucified during that time period as it was the Romans preferred method of 'teaching the enemy a lesson', so if Jesus was crucified, he was one of a great many.

    How he died is unimportant to me.

    But ask yourself, if he did die and was resurrected as Christians believe - why all the emphasis on the crucifixion rather than the resurrection!?
    Why all the bowing and praying to Jesus on the cross? - which has become the main symbol of Christianity. Why isn't the main symbol the resurrection.

    It couldn't be to keep the throngs in guilt - "he died for our sins" is one of the biggest con jobs going, imo.
    Yes, guilt and fear!!!

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    Quote Originally posted by shamanseeker View Post
    ... I believe that the organised Christian religion invented the Christ of the Christian churches to mislead and control people because if you read the New Testament 'Christ' speaks of love but the 'Christian' religions rely heavily on the judgmental Old Testament.
    The sad thing, to me, is that repeatedly Paul had to insist that gentiles who came to believe in Jesus were not required to submit to the legal code of the old testament. And my understanding is that Jesus wanted the way he lived to be an example, not to be the center of a personality cult.

    It has been years now since I could think of the message of Jesus as being anything other than "Love your eternal father, and love your fellow-man". Once I understood how we are connected, anything else became more-or-less meaningless.

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    Quote Originally posted by Highland1 View Post
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    LMAO love it!

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