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    I do not trust inner voices or most channellings

    Personally, I do not trust inner voices or most channellings, nor do I trust what mediums may say. I have seen very many examples of where the messages have not been true. It is clear to me that the "spirits" can be liars, tellers of partial truths, or are merely inventions of the channel or medium communicating their words.

    Much of what is called channelled material does not actually communicate anything new, no new information, but is just a remix and rewording of what others have said or written. Much of it is couched in long descriptions and tends to have the same form of terminology.Like GFL they say the dark ones are being destroyed in your world and we are at a time when we will be showing ourselves very soon.mmmmmmmmmmmm.What a load of rubbish.

    What if they dont show themselves.The next exuse will be we have put this on hold

    You will find many references to "illusion" and "density" and "vibrations" in channelled messages, and possibly some information about Atlantis to spice it all up. It is easy to get bored with channelled messages. I say this because it has happened to me. I have read far too many similar-sounding passages in assorted books over the years. I am waiting for someone with something different to have their say.

    Why are there so many people channelling "ascended masters" or going one better and actually claiming to be ascended masters?

    Who are the real ascended masters? Can we believe them? Why are they all male? Why are there not ascended mistresses?

    So where is all this stuff coming from? Why is so much of it unreliable? Is any of it to be trusted?

    I am sure quite a lot of stuff that comes over is a projection of the ego, the desires and the imagination of the person channelling it. I am also certain that vulnerable people can be controlled by a medium or psychic in the same way that people will listen to a priest.

    I believe very much in telepathic communication as a reality and in the reality of ET races who normally communicate this way, so in many ways I am all for this form of communication whilst at the same time also very wary of accepting what is being said as the truth.

    I often think that humans as a race might do a lot better at sorting our very real problems out if we cut out listening to other-worldly and divine messengers and forgot about prophecies good and bad and about the threats and penalties that all religions and cults are keen to hand out. It all looks like a control system to me but who are the controllers?

    What strikes me as very odd about all these systems of belief and prophecies is that they strongly imply that people are not happy with this world. If they were happy here why would so many be looking forward to transformation or leaving this world behind?

    Why are people wanting to go to Heaven or make new homes in the stars? Is life here that bad? Why do so many people feel this way? Why do people feel a need for "Ascension"?

    Now I would be one of the first to say I would love to see all the wars, crime, poverty and disease and other terrible problems that people face eliminated from the world but otherwise I think this is already a paradise.Well for me anyway.

    I would be very content to carry on living here. I don't feel any need to be transformed into a higher frequency or to "ascend." I don't feel any desire to travel to other planets or to journey through outer space. I really think this world is a wonderful home if it wasn't for all the problems caused by people.

    So what will really happen I wonder i don't know but also listening to inner voices is something most, if not all, people can probably do although many would not admit to being able to do so because they might be thought of as being "nuts" if they admitted to this. And it is true that mentally-ill people often are plagued by voices talking to them and telling them what to do. It is a classic symptom of schizophrenia.whilst many people would not wish to admit to having inner voices, other people are only too happy to reveal what voices tell them. Some cults and books and belief systems are based almost entirely on spirit messages or "channelled" communications. Some people become very financially successful through telling others either directly or via books and recordings what they say they are being told by other beings.I can assure you i do trust myself and do not need inner voices to be able to that

    Cheers once again and your thoughts are appreciated even though some will not agree with this

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    The "new age"/"alternative" communities are awash with extortion like all other industries.....which I'm afraid to say.....it is now an industry. I have never trusted the testimony of others without feeling my own way around them and I'm no different to this day. Please don't give me dates, times and expectations. Feel free to express feeling and hope but don't expect me to agree because it's from an exterior source that you have grown to trust. I will establish that trust in either you or your source at my own discretion.

    I differ slightly to you TheOne in that I firmly believe in the ability of humans to be able to channel (ie be used as a conduit of communication by an exterior energy or consciousness) because on even a scientific level; this is provably what we're doing every nano second of being on so many levels/dimensions. So some (possibly much) of the things channeled are 100% real. The self sovereignty discernment process for me is to increasingly define my own reality by soul-touch. I'm getting better at it I'm delighted to say and it's worthy of note that just because it's real sometimes doesn't make it desirable.

    It's also probably cliche to say but all is energy in different forms. Deluded souls lost in the love and light brigade forget this, yet preach it, but I'm delighted to say that even in their delusion and bandwagon shenaningens......they are still correct to attempt to keep the "mood" alive. I have learned this VERY acutely from people I love and also members on here of late like Barbara and Modwiz, who rarely even indulge in anything that can lower their consciousness, and thus chooseby an innate default to keep it as they wish. My immaturity used to find that conceited, I'm ashamed to say but won't dwell on!

    In summary.......create your own reality (no longer a clich to me). If that involves trusted sources of channeling then crack on. If it doesn't, crack on. Love your current form and love your environment. Don't let anyone/thing shake what you're building!

    Love you crazy lot, I really do.

    (Another great thread from TheOne n'est pas?.....the boy is on fire!)

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    Brilliant post The One. A sober analysis.

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    We miss the point when we have our head in the sky's to much . Brilliant delivery of a fine perspective brother ! Xxx

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    There seems to 2 kinds of people that want out of this situation.

    1) those you mention who are hankering after a 'next' level or life.

    2) those who are so sure they must separate from the rest of us and go live in the remote regions and 'prep' as a sub group of survivors.

    Those two kinds, on the surface, look like they are complete opposites to each other. In a way, they are, but, both are refusing to FIX THIS! More part of the problem than a solution. I have a hard time differentiating well between the cabal and many of the survivalists heading for the hills. Both are putting all their energy into the same exact outcome, and anticipating the same almost exact result for 'themselves' only.

    Personally, I do have a hunch that I'm about more than this one single lifetime. It's a much bigger picture, probably.

    I've been depressed enough about this world to consider slipping out the back door while no one's watching. Yes, I've had bouts of wanting out of here too. I don't consider them my finest moments though.

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    Norman I fall into 1, and 2 but actually don't mind working with what I have got here on Earth where I am enjoying the ride while it lasts and dipping into 1 and 2 ! I like to think I have got the balance !





    I am sorry to hear there has been a time when u felt you could slip out of the back door , I've been there and i send love x

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    Nice thread Malc, that should dispel the myth that some have previously said you were just a cut and paster! Lol

    On a more serious note, I for one believe that we humans have many if not countless gifts.
    The problem with channelling is that there is no evidence it is non other than someone else's creative and sometimes genius imagination. Usually this is an attempt to accrue a following whilst trying to instigate some sort of belief system which no doubt will cost money for those who are sucked or lured in to its potentially false promises.
    I like to see tangible human gifts like healing, or the power of chi lighting bulbs or similar, art, music, miracles of nature, in fact the list is endless.
    Powerful story telling or channelling, is no more than a form of mind control to ensnare a gullible audience.

    We all, at times find ourselves making extra ordinary claims and probably wonder, wow where did that come from?
    Was it god?
    An et?
    A guardian angel or spirit?
    Did I just channel?
    Is my consciousness connecting to another consciousness?

    I think it more likely that we are simply connecting with many much deeper aspects of the self......however old that self may be.

    It makes the expression "Know Thyself" more credible than any others explanation or theory.

    All that being said, I do believe that telepathy is possible because if you truly know yourself, you will surely know if telepathy is from you......or another entity.

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    All that being said, I do believe that telepathy is possible because if you truly know yourself, you will surely know if telepathy is from you......or another entity
    Great point Russ.I sometimes wonder if writing is some sort of telepathy.Its quite strange that we seem to know what we are going to say before we have said it
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    Quote Originally posted by The One View Post
    I really think this world is a wonderful home if it wasn't for all the problems caused by people.
    That is it in a sentence. AscensionTM is for people who are not willing to to do what has to be done to clean this planet up and think the grass is greener there (la-la-land).
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    Quote Originally posted by Tribe View Post
    We miss the point when we have our head in the sky's to much . Brilliant delivery of a fine perspective brother ! Xxx
    Head in the clouds and feet on the ground. I call it large consciousness.
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    Quote Originally posted by norman View Post
    There seems to 2 kinds of people that want out of this situation.
    1) those you mention who are hankering after a 'next' level or life.
    Some want a little more company. One can transition by themselves, and many have. It is just a very unpopulated level. It is much better shared, IMO.
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    Quote Originally posted by PurpleLama View Post
    Utility is the test of any information from other worldly sources.
    Concise.
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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    That is it in a sentence. Ascension is for people who are not willing to to do what has to be done to clean this planet up and think the grass is greener there.
    I call this spiritual alcoholism: people will seek out any number of poisons in the ultimately unfulfilled hope of escaping their own mess.

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    I'm not too much into channeled messages myself. I do read/listen to some of the messages out there and have books who apparently are channeled. I cherish what I've learned from them. To me, its the same as any other source of information and inspiration. I do not give channeled information any more power than anything else I read. I've always been a gleaner and only keep what resonates with me. I am not one to give my power away.... been there, done that.

    It would be nice if some savior, ET or other, would come down and save us. But it's not going to happen. We'll have to work it out for ourselves and create the world and lives that we want. That's why I'm here. I've never wanted to be here, wanted to leave a couple of times, but I'm here so might as well enjoy the ride and do what I came here to do.

    Since I've been on forums, which is not that long ago, I see many people hurting and waiting for something to happen to save them. The waiting and longing for something outside of themselves causes the pain. Any message that is not empowering you should be dismissed, IMO.

    I often think that life is overrated... that's usually when I am submerged by all the pain that I see/feel. In those times, I focus my sight on beauty and laughter and I Ho'hoponopono everything in sight... LOL. I am so grateful for my loved ones, friends, angels, guides and star family who help me along the way. I am also grateful to be part of this on-line community and to be touched by all of you.

    P.S. This post has been channeled by myself.

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