I do not trust inner voices or most channellings

[Tonz]

Why are people wanting to go to Heaven or make new homes in the stars? Is life here that bad? Why do so many people feel this way? Why do people feel a need for "Ascension"?

I guess most of it is escapism in one form or another,we can bring it right down to local levels as well as most materialism also is escapism.
If only we can appreciate who and what we are. It's then we may start to appreciate what is around us in it's true perspective and realize that we are in Paradise and we are already blessed.

[ronin]

i feel that many souls that come here have been duped.
they come here to make a difference and experience life in the 3d physical world but then a veil is dropped and the control program starts as soon as they are born.
this is why so many yearn to return.they become suicidal,addicts and just know this is not what they signed up for.
the control system is already set up and in place as soon as you leave your mothers womb.

you all know,i won,t even try and spell it out for you.
that is why we create and join these alternative media forums.

1.we want to experience life.
2.we want to experience every emotion and return to source.
3.we have to experience everything to realize what we need to,too live that perfect life in bliss.

but it does seem the scales are tilted in one direction at this present time.

there will always be duality but it depends upon you on which stand you take.

maybe for each light that is shone,a shadow is cast.

and that is the way it is?

i really do not know.

[lookbeyond]

I'm not too much into channeled messages myself. I do read/listen to some of the messages out there and have books who apparently are channeled. I cherish what I've learned from them. To me, its the same as any other source of information and inspiration. I do not give channeled information any more power than anything else I read. I've always been a gleaner and only keep what resonates with me. I am not one to give my power away.... been there, done that.

It would be nice if some savior, ET or other, would come down and save us. But it's not going to happen. We'll have to work it out for ourselves and create the world and lives that we want. That's why I'm here. I've never wanted to be here, wanted to leave a couple of times, but I'm here so might as well enjoy the ride and do what I came here to do.

Since I've been on forums, which is not that long ago, I see many people hurting and waiting for something to happen to save them. The waiting and longing for something outside of themselves causes the pain. Any message that is not empowering you should be dismissed, IMO.

I often think that life is overrated... that's usually when I am submerged by all the pain that I see/feel. In those times, I focus my sight on beauty and laughter and I Ho'hoponopono everything in sight... LOL. I am so grateful for my loved ones, friends, angels, guides and star family who help me along the way. I am also grateful to be part of this on-line community and to be touched by all of you.

P.S. This post has been channeled by myself.

Lovely post Moonlight, "Thanks" again,lb

[Liberty]

Good Day The One,

Loved your thoughtful post and have read all the responses so far. Here is my take. Since my own conscious journey began, I have traveled the route of looking for and paying attention to channeled messages that seemed to soothe me from seeing such a miserable world and also my own troubles. I feel I have experienced personal growth over the years and have slowly realized that I have my own Guidance/Intuition that is reliable and helpful. I try to do my meditation or "quiet times of reflection" each day and connect with my Soul.

It slowly dawned on me that I was "spiritually masturbating" when I was eagerly looking for more and more channeled messages that made me feel good for a day or two because I needed something to help me cope. As I began trusting my own intuition/guidance I realized this was the guidance for me only and to follow it as much as possible.

I have had miracles happen so I know for myself that turning within is my way and Trusting. I feel that I needed "crutches" in the early part of my journey when I sought comfort from channeled messages but in time felt this was not right for me and began relying more on myself. I do not hear voices per say, but gentle whispers about things I question while I am absorbed in washing dishes or preparing a meal. They feel so right and come up during times when I am not absorbed in meditation practices.

I feel we all have our own Guidance and we do communicate with others by feeling or thoughts. Also since a lot of my life was simply devoted to how to survive, I had to ask for my own guidance. Anyway, that's my 2 cents worth. Great post. Great board!
Love to all,
Today

[shamanseeker]

Yes, we need to keep our feet on the ground to some extent but I think it's equally negative if we don't give any space to inspiration or our sixth senses/sensations which do exist in my opinion. I find it very irritating when people try too hard to be rational; this can often be as harmful as having one's head in the clouds - or even more so. I often think these people are really afraid that others will think they are mentally ill or abnormal. We need to find our own balance. What a dreary, cold and depressing world this can be when people are too utilitarian. I suggest you read Charles Dickens' book 'Hard Times' in which people, in particular circus folk are scoffed at for 'dreaming' and looking at life as magical and something else than working and meeting our material needs. I'd also recommend E. M. Forster's book 'Where Angels Fear to Tread' in which 'well-meaning' busy bodies interfere in others' lives because they believe they are too 'fanciful' and end up causing terrible havoc and distress.

[jimmer]

those who promise a path of paradise gather depends.

yes, malc, we must be the captains of our own ships.

and though the waters may be rough, we are the compass.
(or something like that ; )

[ronin]

i was told a tale last night at work which we both found fascinating and amazing.
a friend takes his usual path(walk) almost daily,round a brook,over a small bridge ect
he was on his way home and just crossed over the bridge when he stopped.
something told him to go back to bridge and look.
he noted it was not a voice but more of a feeling.

so he went back to the bridge when he heard a loud crash.
he walked back again in the direction of going home,where he saw this old rotted tree had just fell over.

he worked out that if he had not stopped and gone back,the chances of the tree hitting him was pretty high.

voices?intuition or a bit of esp?

[turiya]

Personally, I do not trust inner voices or most channellings, nor do I trust what mediums may say. I have seen very many examples of where the messages have not been true. It is clear to me that the "spirits" can be liars, tellers of partial truths, or are merely inventions of the channel or medium communicating their words.

Cheers once again and your thoughts are appreciated even though some will not agree with this

The One

Ines Radman

The following is taken from a website blog written by Ines Radman called From Croatia With Love.
Ines is writing this (much more on her website) in response to a blogtalkradio interview with Dr Kathyrin E May (psychologist) that can be found at the following link: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/channel...channeled-call

CHANNELLERS ARE BEING DECIEVED

If religion can be said to be the “opiate of the masses” then channelled messages would be “Hopium of the disgruntled minority”. Every channelled message that comes from the spiritual realm is essentially the same when you strip away the fluffy talk and story line that is being used to couch the message.

“Dear ones, you are greatly beloved by all of us in the spiritual realms. We long to be reunited with you for we are your long lost family. Stay strong and hold on to your light, because we will make our presence known to you. Our ship Jerusalem is cloaked behind the moon and waiting for disclosure to happen, which is now very very soon”.

I used to think that this nauseating disinformation coming from “Archon Angel Michael”, “St.Germain” etc, was the result of dark-side interference taking over the channels without their awareness, but what I know now is that transmission from “truly positive beings” were not being intercepted, but rather the messages were coming from “false light” beings of the spiritual hierarchy which doesn’t exist.

Anyone who is channelling, in my opinion has no idea who they are and how powerful they are. As the channellers often say “My dear ones, you are Royalty”. Great, if that is the case then we don’t need anyone taking us off this planet. We need to really connect to our higher selves, these beings have even hijacked channellers higher selves and intercepted the connection.

Unless someone can prove to me who these entities are, the jury is out for me.

This is a compilation of 30 years worth of research using many well-known renown Akashic historians who are “hard wired” to the Galactic Akashic. This compilation is also from my own lucid dreams and constant connection to Higher Self. I have been a warrior in many past lives and I hope this information that is recorded in the Akashic will help those who are holding up the rest of us. Live in honour and faith, be true to yourself and if you are a channeller, remember that it’s not only your life that could be misguided but those that listen to you. Those of you who accept messages from entities that claim are helping us, you better get proof and not just their words. I have often wondered why these entities choose people in the Western world. I heard from some entities that it’s because most of the Illuminati is in their countries. No, it’s a lie. They are there because the Western World believes in fairies and angels and are easy prey for these beings. In other words, they are dumb enough to believe them.

Don’t take my word for it, don’t believe me, but do your homework, connect to your higher self and ask yourself who you are and why you are here. Why would anyone want us to leave this planet unless they have motives to remove us so they can take over the planet. I have completed my soul reintegration. I will describe it as pre-ascension, everything is brighter, more beauty in everything and I can feel everyone around me, what they are thinking and their emotions. So many people live in fear based reality, and that is where they want you. You don’t need expensive head bands, grounding equipment, special diets, in fact you don’t need to do anything other than believe in yourself and accept yourself as the incredible special human being that you are. You are envied by others, and that is why they are fooling you into believing that we can’t do this ourselves. Andrew Bartzis has some great information on how to gain back your sovereignty, how to revoke all contracts and how to get rid of these entities if you so choose to. Chris Thomas also has some really good information that I have written about here and when things start to make sense you will realize how far into the rabbit hole we have gone. We have been lied to for millions of years because these entities do not want us to reintegrate or Ascend as you call it, they want earth for itself and they will do anything they can do to achieve that goal. Don’t let them take away what we have worked so hard for.

SOURCE: A Time For Change - Part 3

posted by turiya

[The One]

Thanks turiya and welcome to tot

[777]

Wow what a brilliant first post Turiya and welcome to TOT!

[Highland1]

Welcome to our family turiya, I have read many of your posts with enthusiasm in the "other" forum, however I just sit on the fence whenst there and say very little.
Here however, is a place of warmth with equal minded souls who enjoy debate with very little bias of given topics.Really looking forward to sharing and learning from your posts.
Warm regards

Russ

[KosmicKat]

... As the channellers often say “My dear ones, you are Royalty”. Great, if that is the case then we don’t need anyone taking us off this planet. We need to really connect to our higher selves, these beings have even hijacked channellers higher selves and intercepted the connection. ...

Very good advice. Something I don't do as often as I should.

[Highland1]

Turiya, as you have full soul integration, does this mean that like Chris Thomas, you are able to bi-locate to anywhere of your choice?

It would be nice to have a virtual coffee sometime!

Russ

[ronin]

something does not add up?
if we go back to Dr Michael Newton and his therapies and regressions concerning the soul.
then we all have already agreed upon our present lives!
we came here to learn and experience and whoever we encounter they are pre arranged to help us or teach others in our present experience.
so there can be no wrong or right just the experience that you need to learn.
but....we all seek,we want out of this present system!why is this not our learning path,are we not suppose to experience this.
did the elite of the world choose to live their life's and control people as it was a pre birth arrangement?
did source create everything from us to the archons?
just as we eat meat and eggs,maybe the archons feed off our energy.
it is a matter of survival.
for them and for us.

if we did choose to come here pre life,then why are we searching?
many of us think that we may have a mission to complete,a input of data upon awakening,remembering everything.
if so where are the ones who are awake now?why are they not helping to awaken other people?

screaming from the rooftops yoo hoo,this is how it is and should be.

nah we hear talk all the time about ascension,being awake and the MISSION we are here to do.

but as yet i have not seen any evidence of anyone knowing their mission,claiming to be awake or helping humanity and mother earth to heal from the atrocities that we as a species have caused.

angels,demons,aliens,ascended masters,religion,power,control,sovereignty,love,ha te,healing,abuse,i am,we are one,

it,s just one big mind fook.

[Highland1]

One persons truth may not be the same as anothers ronin?
Everyones awareness is different to anothers pending how far their spiritual path has evolved.
Perhaps we are not meant to know what the actual truth is in so that we still have choices and freewill to reach our chosen destiny.
Would not life itself not be mundane and predictably boring if we knew the why's and what's of really going on?
It has even crossed my mind that perhaps every living being we meet may simply be another fragmented clone of myself.
So, if that was the case, even if I met someone else who I took a sudden dislike to, that could potentially mean I actually dislike a part of myself?
One thing is for sure, we all die a physical death...and so do those elitists who harbour greed and power for personal gain.
Perhaps this lovely wise lady is sharing the real truth....




Russ