Is Ubuntu Contribunism the future?

[Eelco]

Here's a 21 minute compliation of Michael Tellingers lecture.
For those that do not want to spend 2 hours to watch the whole thing.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDymLLqT5Y


I am not 100% convinced this is the way to go, But can't think of a better sollution right now.
One thing I do like about it is the complete lack of mony or barter. Having been part of local Lets systems and barter rings I have always felt that the same drawbacks that occur on kapitalism also reared its ugly head in rings and systems like these.

Also its not entirely new.
I have read these points before in the abc of anarchism which I have linked to before here

Also the fact that michael sells his book for 10 dollars strikes me as odd.
Here he is talking about not using money but freely giving your labours of love and then charge for it.
Now I am not putting him down. I understand we are in a transitional phase and 10 bucks isn't much, but as I have allready plundered my daughters savings account to go see him. I don't have the money to buy his book.

Also it seems to call for a small community to pull it off. Now being socially ackward I do not have friends living nearby that I can setup a community like that.
Been contemplating givving Reiki and Shiatsu treatments for free or Dana/gifts exchange. but allready working a full week for tha Man and fathering 6 peeps, walking the dogs, meditating and spending time with my better half make that a virtual impossible task to keep a possitive attitude towards. Which would render that exercise useless, because if i'm worried so much about all the stuff I need to do. I fear I am not in the right frame of mind to assist anyone whilst they hav a reiki "treatment" of Shiatsu massage..

WIth Love
Eelco

[KosmicKat]

There isn't much I can do, but since I have benefited extensively from people who give their time to make free software available I do what I can to make free sheet music (not written by me, but transcribed to both PDF and abcPlus notation) and free books (sometimes written by me) available. The reason I do what I do is that growing up in Europe, I learned that a key way that rich people become rich is that they never pay for something that they can get for free (think unpaid internship) but they never give anything away.

[Eelco]

Thank you, Yes.

Like you I do what I can...
And taking a good look around. Many people are donating there time and resources for free.
Or make free stuff available for a wider audience. This includes basic neccesities like food and clothing thank...who-ever

Somehow though that is not enough to slowly transition to a money-free society.
So how do we go about taking the next step..

One of the reasons I stopped my official shiatsu practice was because of time and money issues.
Felt like I needed to charge too much to be able to just cover bureaucratic costs.

With Love
Eelco

[Moonlight]

Thank you for sharing Eelco. I agree that we have to get rid of money, barter, trade, and go to a community sharing for the good of All. I believe that we should all work for the needs of the community. We also have to determine what our "needs" are...

How to go about it, I really don't know. Is the Ubuntu movement it, I don't know either, but it's a start... a seed.

Taking into consideration that it takes many generations for change to be implemented, I see myself as a sower. I talk about it at every occasion I get, even if the reaction is a blank look from the person I am talking to. I see this as a little "zapping"(*) of consciousness and know that the seed will bear its fruit in time.
I've been saying for many years now that our system is not working and that we need to change it. I felt very alone in my world for a while, then I encountered forums where I found other people who have the same dream. Now, slowly but surely, I'm starting to hear it in my circles. There is hope.

I probably won't see the thriving communities that I dream of, unless I live forever in this body. My grandson may see it happening. My great great grand-children ? I really hope so.

Hopefully, we will not have to go through great turmoil to bring in the change. I pray for a smooth and awakened transition.

(*) as in the movie La belle verte

[Moonlight]

[BabaRa]

I probably won't see the thriving communities that I dream of, unless I live forever in this body. My grandson may see it happening. My great great grand-children ? I really hope so.

Hi Moonlight, when I read your statement above, I remembered back to when I was a sophomore in college, our professor was telling us that we would never see a man in space, but our grandchildren probably would. The fact that our grandchildren would experience this seemed unbelievable to us.

It was only a few years later when the Russian Yuri Gagarin made the first space flight.

I only tell this story for a reminder that things can change fast through science or a scientific invention. Michael mentions that in his video above. If a free energy device was made available, our world could change very quickly in ways we can't even imagine.

And I agree with you about Michael's idea - it's a seed - one that can be built on or changed as needed.

The more we see this type of community as a possibility, the more we will bring it forward into our reality.

[KosmicKat]

The way I see it, once a tipping point is reached, alternatives become less viable. Why do you think it is possible to incarcerate large numbers of prisoners with relatively small numbers of guards? I think it is because the inmates don't believe they can make enough of a change to free themselves. And here's the element that we have to change; if you're only thinking of what "I" can do, it won't amount to much. "I" is limited and clearly defined. "We" can be as big as you please. A key element of "We" is trust.

[Moonlight]

Hi Moonlight, when I read your statement above, I remembered back to when I was a sophomore in college, our professor was telling us that we would never see a man in space, but our grandchildren probably would. The fact that our grandchildren would experience this seemed unbelievable to us.

It was only a few years later when the Russian Yuri Gagarin made the first space flight.

I only tell this story for a reminder that things can change fast through science or a scientific invention. Michael mentions that in his video above. If a free energy device was made available, our world could change very quickly in ways we can't even imagine.

And I agree with you about Michael's idea - it's a seed - one that can be built on or changed as needed.

The more we see this type of community as a possibility, the more we will bring it forward into our reality.

I have nothing against the change to come now. That is why I hold the vision.

For the money system to be kicked out and the world to start working in harmony for the good of All, there needs to be a major shift in consciousness. Technology advances at a very fast pace, I unfortunately do not see consciousness changing that fast. It is changing, just not as fast.

We also have to be very careful, because I have heard of a well intentioned "one world" coming where every one gets the same, abundance for all they say ... as long as you let us run everything for you and do as you are told. Freedom does not exist in this.

I agree that free energy will make humanity take a giant leap. It will blow our minds open and many veils will come crumbling down.

I still think that I will not see this happening in this lifetime. In 50-60 years from now, I can see it. I have no problem being wrong on this.

[Moonlight]

The way I see it, once a tipping point is reached, alternatives become less viable. Why do you think it is possible to incarcerate large numbers of prisoners with relatively small numbers of guards? I think it is because the inmates don't believe they can make enough of a change to free themselves. And here's the element that we have to change; if you're only thinking of what "I" can do, it won't amount to much. "I" is limited and clearly defined. "We" can be as big as you please. A key element of "We" is trust.

There is a lot of work being done freely in the world already. People coming together and volunteering for the good of the community. A lot of work would not be done if it were not for volunteers. My community is no exception. If I did not have a job to earn money to pay for groceries, etc., I could do a lot more. That is where my heart thrives.

Everything starts with "I" deciding to connect with "We" to make something happen. "I" becomes "We" when a bunch of people roll up their sleeves to make a common vision happen. And when the work is done, we come together and celebrate.

If money and ownership did not exist, there would be no need for prisons.

[Moonlight]

[Eelco]

lol Until about an hour ago. I was able to do just that easily without gasping for air.

With love
Eelco

[Moonlight]

hehe... I know the feeling. I could do that until pay day too...

[Moonlight]

[Eelco]

When Michael Tellinger was about to start his talk the other day. 2 dutch people walked on stage. They had come back from 2 months volunteering at the stone circle ubuntu village in waterfall boven south africa. One of them made a film in which Michael Tellinger and his significant other talk about their dream of Ubuntu villages. and some overview footage.
Only 15 minutes..


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXxf2wXowEs#t=25


With Love
Eelco

[Moonlight]

I have shared this video with a couple of my friends. I'm eager to see what will come of it. Maybe some will realize I'm not as crazy as I seem... or at least that other people are as crazy as I ... hehe

No kidding, the video is well done and can spark meaningful conversations.

Thanks.