The TOT Music Creation Thread

**Seikou-Kishi** · 25th February 2014, 00:48

Originally posted by Malc

Apologies we were just changing the banner on galaxy theme

I lied, alright! I'm absolutely disappointed by the mundane explanation. Can't you just say a witch did it? Or a unicorn? Lol

**Seikou-Kishi** · 25th February 2014, 00:50

Russ, have you considered it might be easier, rather than retuning your guitars, to record whatever you're going to record in 440 and then retune is electronically? Many audio programmes have a facility to change A440 to A432, and your computer would be able to do it in seconds and all you'd have to do is click a few buttons

**modwiz** · 25th February 2014, 01:09

Regarding tuning. What is now standard tuning or "A" 440, began in the '44-'45 period. It was "A"432 before that.

440 tuning comes from the same twisted minds that bring us GMO's. Since reality is made of choices, my choice is with the 'good guys'. Not a very hard choice for me. Organic corn or GMO corn? It's a no-brainer for me.

Just got up. I look forward to hearing Russ' songs after I wake up a bit.

From wikipedia: A suspicious source depending on material.

A440 is widely used as concert pitch in United Kingdom[3] and the United States. In continental Europe the frequency of the A is commonly 442 Hz and 443 Hz.[4][5] In the period instrument movement, a consensus has arisen around a modern baroque pitch of 415 Hz (currently, A flat), baroque for some special church music (Chorton pitch) at 466 Hz (A sharp) and classical pitch at 432 Hz.[6]

I had no idea that 432 tuning would be an issue with us awake folk.

**norman** · 25th February 2014, 01:25

Bach ( the harpsichord and piano man ) invented equal temperament tuning, which was the point where I think it all went wrong. Before that, tuning was always modal and single key instruments etc. I don't know why they eventually dragged it up to 440, but it's probably a false gravitation of the ear since it was cut loose from modal harmonics.

Hey, folks....... here's what happened when I stopped playing guitar and started playing the bloody studio instead

...[get me outa here....]

Patsy Lee Harvey's Dirge:
https://app.box.com/s/oqxhvowc17lyt3r17gk8

**modwiz** · 25th February 2014, 02:33

WOW, Russ. Real recordings. Full songs too. Nice, lush guitar tone. Welcoming, open music. Very workable.

Well, the choosers are getting some choices. It's great.

**modwiz** · 25th February 2014, 02:34

Originally posted by norman

Bach ( the harpsichord and piano man ) invented equal temperament tuning, which was the point where I think it all went wrong. Before that, tuning was always modal and single key instruments etc. I don't know why they eventually dragged it up to 440, but it's probably a false gravitation of the ear since it was cut loose from modal harmonics.

Hey, folks....... here's what happened when I stopped playing guitar and started playing the bloody studio instead

...[get me outa here....]

Patsy Lee Harvey's Dirge:
https://app.box.com/s/oqxhvowc17lyt3r17gk8

That is brilliant Norman. I like your music. You gave me some links at PA while I was there.

**modwiz** · 25th February 2014, 04:56

It is my view that this very popular thread, in the top three?, serves a better purpose being public. I do not understand the desire, or reasoning, to keep it members only.

The musical options are accruing nicely. However, unless/until this thread goes public, I will post my thoughts in the tent. Questions regarding further development and my involvement can be had by PM while we remain a members only thread.

**Sooz** · 25th February 2014, 05:00

Originally posted by modwiz

That is brilliant Norman. I like your music. You gave me some links at PA while I was there.

I agree Modz, love the background tracks, very techy and haunting. The sound is excellent even on my crappy speakers.

**Highland1** · 25th February 2014, 08:09

Hi Norman, thats a great soundtrack, you certainly know how to engineer sound.
I get quite lost in the technology which makes it frustrating trying to capture an idea on the fly.
If your ever in Yorkshire.....?
Hi Modz, I have no objection for this thread going open to public as I think it was purple lama who originally suggested it to go on members only but I cant remember why?
I think it it would be a good idea if someone attempted to apply some words to what has been put forward so far?
Seikou, your probably right that there is a way to digitally detune a recording but I have yet to find out how to do this.
Give me a guitar and im completely at home but put me in a studio and I leave it to the engineers and producers to work their magic.
I only wish I had some of Normans skills to enhance the quality of sound.
Also, im wondering if maybe some more modern style of music should be brought in to entice younger blood to step forward with some input? Will the real 777 stand up? Lol
Thank you for your comments, they are greatly and humbly appreciated.

Russ

**Sooz** · 25th February 2014, 08:29

Originally posted by Highland1

Hi Norman, thats a great soundtrack, you certainly know how to engineer sound.
I get quite lost in the technology which makes it frustrating trying to capture an idea on the fly.
If your ever in Yorkshire.....?
Hi Modz, I have no objection for this thread going open to public as I think it was purple lama who originally suggested it to go on members only but I cant remember why?
I think it it would be a good idea if someone attempted to apply some words to what has been put forward so far?
Seikou, your probably right that there is a way to digitally detune a recording but I have yet to find out how to do this.
Give me a guitar and im completely at home but put me in a studio and I leave it to the engineers and producers to work their magic.
I only wish I had some of Normans skills to enhance the quality of sound.
Also, im wondering if maybe some more modern style of music should be brought in to entice younger blood to step forward with some input? Will the real 777 stand up? Lol
Thank you for your comments, they are greatly and humbly appreciated.

Russ

Hi Russ and All,

Agree with all you've said Russ. I have no problem with it being public, it's hardly a personal or secretive thing - the more input the better and could entice some of the lurkers to join in. Agree with more modern style of music (although I love everything that's been presented). I think 7's rapping skills would be brilliant, have you seen him in full flight? Awesome! I love rap btw, for an old chick, lol. It's modern day poetry.

I think we have all bases covered here with musical gifts. And don't forget Church - he's a sound engineer! (Although he may be too busy atm).

**Calabash** · 25th February 2014, 18:54

Originally posted by Highland1

https://soundcloud.com/russell-middl...lk-in-the-park
Love/d this - really nice to groove to in a hip-hop kinda way

https://soundcloud.com/russell-middleton/who-knows
So different to Walk in the Park but just as good - Tony has a great voice . . . (you know, I think I might be in lurve . . . [sigh])

https://soundcloud.com/russell-middleton/your-not-alone
Again very different to the above, but powerful nevertheless.

I love the depth of your guitar, Russ - you really make it croon (apols - in band speak I should have said "axe" – however, when I substituted it the word, it sounded a little weird and creepy, so guitar it remains! – for this post anyway . . .) J

Though you say you play heavy classic rock as a rule, 10cc's "I'm not in love" is, arguably, one of the greatest songs ever - even my dad loves it - lol . . . . ha ha ha

Having listened to Modwiz, Highland, Norman . . . . . what an extremely talented bunch we have on the forum don’t we? Norman, with your mixing skills, am I right in thinking that you can make an out of tune foghorn (me) sound like Ella Fitzgerald?

**PurpleLama** · 25th February 2014, 20:50

Ah, Mod, the thought that this thread should be private stemmed from the idea that the public should be apprised only of the finished pieces, with all the hemming and hawing going on behind the scenes. I for one might be more inclined to share verses, should I be inspired to contribute, if the sharing were done away from the google searchable eye. That being said, I would not deride a consensus should it say otherwise, or the OP or anyone else for that matter.

**norman** · 25th February 2014, 21:59

Originally posted by PurpleLama

Ah, Mod, the thought that this thread should be private stemmed from the idea that the public should be apprised only of the finished pieces, with all the hemming and hawing going on behind the scenes. I for one might be more inclined to share verses, should I be inspired to contribute, if the sharing were done away from the google searchable eye. That being said, I would not deride a consensus should it say otherwise, or the OP or anyone else for that matter.

Yea, I was kinda hoping this thread wasn't wide open the world too.

For me, there's something similar between the creative processes and sex. You just don't do these things in public - for the public. Or, being very proud of your kids doesn't equate to being a sexual exhibitionist.

**Highland1** · 25th February 2014, 22:09

Originally posted by norman

Yea, I was kinda hoping this thread wasn't wide open the world too.

For me, there's something similar between the creative processes and sex. You just don't do these things in public - for the public. Or, being very proud of your kids doesn't equate to being a sexual exhibitionist.

Its a bizarre world Norman, the public seem to accept war and the bombing of the enemy ( innocent woman and children) and yet making love in public would be deemed as obscene....

just sayin...

Russ

**modwiz** · 25th February 2014, 22:56

If we had a forum with a lot of posters and content, then the one of the most popular threads here going unseen would be of little note. However, TOT has a modest membership Some members rarely post or post quick replies. Little content, for the forum, develops from that.

One of the reasons for coming out of my shell and opening a maintained thread was to create a happening here at TOT. Something for visitors to read and enjoy, hopefully. Something that would make them want to join and participate.

Lastly there is something important going on here, IMO. That is a demonstration of taking ideas to reality. How well does a project develop without management. Will management be necessary? How much cohesion develops 'organically'?

Any project is a microcosm of project Humanity. All things learned are applicable.

This is an experiment, about us, our ideas and our ability to self manage. All part of true sovereignty.

So, between wanting TOT to have content for visitors, there is also the social experiment aspect of it that needs eyes or it is not a 'social' experiment but, a semi-private one. Ideas can be done by PM for those who want less eyes. It protects their privacy while protecting our out-reaching forum platform.

Hope that is helpful.