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    Know Thyself - Trite Answer or Required Work?

    A dynamic has developed on this forum, and undoubtedly other forums, where a querent is answered with a form of 'know thyself' as an answer. This has caused some umbrage. The querent feels minimized or ignored. Emotional body overrides the mental body, adreno-chemicals are released, and any from of meaningful intellectual dialogue is halted. Language is filled with emotional terms.

    This is not a desirable dynamic.

    The one to whom a question is directed at needs to consider who is asking? Is it a programmed being still fraught with myriad traumas and life situations not under their control, or someone who asks from knowing them self? Knowing oneself is not the answer to questions about the outer outer world and everything. It is a beginning. It is knowing our value, and hence, the value of the information that is commensurate with our needs.

    I recommend the following books for all who want some details to engage their cerebral skills.

    Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity if the Soul. The title itself is indicative of value. Themes of value fulfillment, units of consciousness and joyousness as the default soul 'setting' are of a value that can only be experienced. Except you can hold it in your hands and not be at the 'mercy' of some metaphysical 'hoarder of knowledge'.

    The Nature of Personal Reality: Builds upon the material of Seth Speaks and takes us into the mechanics behind our personal reality. Much of the misery we experience can be understood with the information provided in the book. I read it in the misery of a marriage break-up. I was in a new place the next day and it became 'old news' by the time I finished the book.

    These books can lead one to know themselves enough to enrich their lives. Seth Speaks is the fountain of 'create you own reality'. All themes associated with the quoted phrase derive from this seminal modern work. The new age has ridden the wave of consciousness it generated.

    The new age has a lot of surf bums.
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    The law of Thelema is "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Love is the law, love under will."

    What is Thelema?

    The law of Thelema was developed by Aleister Crowley, the early 20th-century British writer and ceremonial magician.[3] He believed himself to be the prophet of a new age, the on of Horus, based upon a spiritual experience that he and his wife, Rose Edith, had in Egypt in 1904.[4] By his account, a possibly non-corporeal or "praeterhuman" being that called itself Aiwass contacted him and dictated a text known as The Book of the Law or Liber AL vel Legis, which outlined the principles of Thelema.[5] An adherent of Thelema is a Thelemite.
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    The word θέλημα (thelema) is rare in classical Greek, where it "signifies the appetitive will: desire, sometimes even sexual",[10] but it is frequent in the Septuagint.[10] Early Christian writings occasionally use the word to refer to the human will,[11] and even the will of God's opponent, the Devil,[12] but it usually refers to the will of God.
    Oops, a little confusion with God and Devil here......again.

    What is this post doing in this thread?

    If one is to do what they will, one will want to act in a way that does not produce effects/results that are unwanted. This statement presupposes a 'right-hand' path.

    Now the 'law' Crowley refers to what he calls Thelemic law. However, one can see how this 'law' is but another form of the 'law' of attraction, IMO. One will attract what they vibrate with and vibrate to. Especially once one attunes their consciousness with it and create greater coherent patterns, if disciplined enough.

    The practice of going within for the purpose of knowing thyself, helps one clear out 'patterns' that emit a constant subconscious stream of creation into our personal world.

    The second statement, Love is the law, love under will. The first part appears self explanatory to me. The second one would appear to be his way of according will a superior position based on its chakric placement above the heart chakra. There is validity to this.

    Meaningless to those who have not put time into understanding the subtle anatomy. Crowley was not looking for mass appeal.

    Did Crowley, 'know himself'? Not enough to prevent him dying a heroin addict. The path he chose was for him to decide.

    It is for all of us to decide.
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    I loved all the Seth books, but never heard of The Nature of Personal Reality.. Shall look it up.

    As to your question: Know Thyself-Trite Answer or Required Work? Definitely required work, the only thing we get to chose is when we decide to take the journey. I would say, the sooner, the better - as it makes life much more pleasant in the understanding.

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    i have had to get rid of my mothers , fathers and societys words and thoughts to start to discover what i actually feel about any given situation , i had quite a menagerie of people going on inside my head that it was begining to feel like finding a needle in a haystack to even begin to find myself! I am on this quest at the momment in a bid to self heal! x
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    was Aleister Crowley a freemason?
    the reason i ask is where did he get his knowledge?
    it does not just come to a seeker.
    he was taught this.

    i,m not sure if he should be in the realm as einstein or tesla but they both claimed that their knowledge came from outside sources.

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    Perhaps it is both. In the mouth of the trite or in the ear of the trite, it must be trite.

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    Quote Originally posted by Seikou-Kishi View Post
    Perhaps it is both. In the mouth of the trite or in the ear of the trite, it must be trite.

    have you got a lisp Seikou san.

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    Quote Originally posted by ronin View Post
    was Aleister Crowley a freemason?
    the reason i ask is where did he get his knowledge?
    it does not just come to a seeker.
    he was taught this.

    i,m not sure if he should be in the realm as einstein or tesla but they both claimed that their knowledge came from outside sources.
    For me Tesla towers above them. He chose service to others and was allowed to eke out an existence in a NYC hotel where he may have been 'dispatched'. His genius is only hinted at. He could have been rich and famous. He declined his 'offer'.
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    Quote Originally posted by Seikou-Kishi View Post
    Perhaps it is both. In the mouth of the trite or in the ear of the trite, it must be trite.
    An eloquent equation. It is provable as well.
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    Quote Originally posted by ronin View Post
    have you got a lisp Seikou san.
    Perhapth I have :P

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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    For me Tesla towers above them. He chose service to others and was allowed to eke out an existence in a NYC hotel where he may have been 'dispatched'. His genius is only hinted at. He could have been rich and famous. He declined his 'offer'.
    and we are using his technology today.
    it is very sad that this man was underestimated because he was a sto.

    the sts people(goverments) gave up what he had to offer for obvious reasons.

    another will come along one day offering their insights.
    lets hope we take notice next time.

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    Here is link to a pdf of the Hidden Hand material. A must read for a sober discussion of a particular topic. The sincerity of the Luciferic representative is indicative of a spiritual being. Like the other 'insider' there are times where some serious concern is expressed about erring in divulging too much. I believe this fear is human generated or indicative of the gravitas of their mission.
    Perhaps both. It strips away opacity and gives a view of a cosmic dance with the blessings of The One. This material gives rhyme and reason to this concept.

    It separates the real Venusians from the goofballs and clueless. Other more serious types have their inspiration from other sectors or tangential relation to the orthodox.

    http://gonzoj.files.wordpress.com/20...d-wespenre.pdf
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    It's interesting that the Seth books are channelled and yet both here on TOTand on PA the channelled threads come with a disclaimer. Nevertheless they are the first "alternative" books I ever read, given to me by my father many years ago. They are books to be read over and over.

    Crowley was repulsive in the same way as Jimmy Savile because he was evil and sacrificed animals and human beings (it is said). A sacrifice is only acceptable if it's yourself (as in selling your own soul to the devil). Anything else is unacceptable imo. However, going by appearances, whatever he attracted did not seem to make him happy.

    Edit: I see the thread has moved on and I am far behind - apols - please ignore
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    Quote Originally posted by Calabash View Post
    It's interesting that the Seth books are channelled and yet both here on TOTand on PA the channelled threads come with a disclaimer. Nevertheless they are the first "alternative" books I ever read, given to me by my father many years ago. They are books to be read over and over.

    Crowley was repulsive in the same way as Jimmy Savile because he was evil and sacrificed animals and human beings (it is said). A sacrifice is only acceptable if it's yourself (as in selling your own soul to the devil). Anything else is unacceptable imo. However, going by appearances, whatever he attracted did not seem to make him happy.

    Edit: I see the thread has moved on and I am far behind - apols - please ignore
    Not a fan of Crowley. Accept baby, discard most bathwater. It's his system.

    This thread did not move on. The OP will always pertain.

    If all channeling was as high quality, consistent and useful as the Seth books are, it would not be hidden away as the embarrassment much of it is. The Seth books stand as the best modern metaphysical books available. The reading requires focus and working with the new concepts. Fortunately for new readers many of the concepts will be familiar. These books fill these concepts in with a scientific precision. Some of his books have exercises in them. I believe it is these earlier ones.
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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    Not a fan of Crowley. Accept baby, discard most bathwater. It's his system.

    This thread did not move on. The OP will always pertain.

    If all channeling was as high quality, consistent and useful as the Seth books are, it would not be hidden away as the embarrassment much of it is. The Seth books stand as the best modern metaphysical books available. The reading requires focus and working with the new concepts. Fortunately for new readers many of the concepts will be familiar. These books fill these concepts in with a scientific precision. Some of his books have exercises in them. I believe it is these earlier ones.

    My (current) perspective: Who knows where any ideas/concepts come from. I suspect they are all channeling of sorts; perhaps the difference is: what channels one is tuned into. Then the ideas come through the filter and intentions of the receiver.

    IMO there is no difference between religion, new-age, politics, philosophers, scientists, etc., Many good-intented, many charlatans in all fields - some lead to wrong places but with right intentions. It's a grab bag of information. That is why one should use inner guidance to decipher .


    P.S. I have taken more than one wrong road in my lifetime. I look at them as detours where sometimes I have found the most beautiful scenery and interesting people; where, if I had taken the direct route, might have missed. Faster isn't always better. Conversely, some detours have turned out to be one hell of a bumpy ride; but I survived and learned.
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