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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    Given his Herculean efforts to bring gnostic thought to life and lift it out of the confusion of the Nag Hammadi Coptic texts,
    May I inquire as to your considerations concerning Jose M. Herrou Aragon and his book called The Forbidden Religion?

    Primordial Gnosis is the original Gnosis, true Gnosis, eternal Gnosis, Gnostic knowledge in its pure form. Due to multiple persecutions, Primordial Gnosis has been fragmented, distorted and hidden.
    A review from a reader:

    I gave this book 2 stars because it's fun to read -- much like many of the shows about aliens and the Masons, etc. are fun to watch. As a book about Gnosticism, however, it really doesn't deserve any stars. As the author points out, most Gnostic writings had been banned for centuries and copies of them had been destroyed. This led many people to speculate on the belief systems of the Gnostics -- basing thier views on the few references and fragments that were available. Of course, people tend to reflect their own views in their speculations. This author seems to be motivated or informed by such views.

    Over the past 150 years, however, archeologists have uncovered many of the original Gnostic writings and we can, therefore, check our interpretations. (I find it interesting that the author quotes many books -- very often quoting the enemies of Gnosticism in the early church who were trying to argue that the Gnostics were heretics -- but rarely, if ever, quotes original source material of the Gnostics.) What the author presents can best be described as related to one strain of these wrtings (more or less in the way that the movie the Omen is related to Christianity). It seems to me that most of the ideas that he presents can be traced back to the Sethian tradition of the Gnostics -- which is by no means representative of all Gnostic thought. And, even his presentation of the Sethian tradition is highly interpretive and would be refuted outright by many of the Gnostic writings. It seems like the author -- or the author's sources -- are trying to use people's lack of understanding of Gnostic beliefs as a vehicle for presenting their own view of some kind of Luciferian religion -- one that would be wholly refuted by most of the Gnostic writings, and requires interpretation to find support in the Sethian tradition.

    It's important to remember that you should be suspect of anyone who begins a sentence, "The Gnostics believed..." There are many Gnostic traditions and, if there is anything that truly unites them, it is the mystical idea that people can have a direct knowledge of/communion with the Godhead/the Absolute/the Uncreated. Since this knowledge is attained by individuals and is unmediated by church or doctrine, there is no one central authority. This has led to a wide variety of ideas. If you're interested in knowing what the Gnostics were thinking, I would suggest reading their own words. Many of the books are readily available. The Nag Hammadi Scriptures, found in Egypt, provide a great sampling of various strains of Gnostic thought and translations are available in a compilation with very informative commentary by actual experts
    https://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Rel.../dp/B00891M3WA

    I have put a PDF of the book here:
    http://devise.one/TOT/the-forbidden-religion.pdf

    I would appreciate your point of view....ta very much

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    Quote Originally posted by lake View Post
    May I inquire as to your considerations concerning Jose M. Herrou Aragon and his book called The Forbidden Religion?



    A review from a reader:


    https://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Rel.../dp/B00891M3WA

    I have put a PDF of the book here:
    http://devise.one/TOT/the-forbidden-religion.pdf

    I would appreciate your point of view....ta very much
    By page 16 he had lost me because he is lost. Yes, the tradition of what became known as gnostic has its roots in deep antiquity. The Nag Hammadi texts provided an awareness of the tradition but, not a very coherent one. John Lash, though not perfect, is the best exponent of what a gnostic is currently. There are some writers who wrote at the beginning of the 20th century, before the Nag Hammadi find, that wrote with a far better understanding of the primordial nature of the people who understood our place in the Universe and this planet.
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    "Read not to contradict and confute; nor to believe and take for granted; nor to find talk and discourse; but to weigh and consider". - Sir Francis Bacon
    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" -- Voltaire

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    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" -- Voltaire

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    Last edited by modwiz, 12th July 2017 at 02:05.
    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" -- Voltaire

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    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" -- Voltaire

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    Did God create Hell or the writers of the word ???

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    Quote Originally posted by sandy View Post
    Did God create Hell or the writers of the word ???
    More importantly, IMO. Who or what do people believe is God, and God's word? There is much to consider to better share one planet.

    With regard to concepts of God and Satan, the Book of Job illustrates the cognitive dissonance demonstrated in the common understandings of love and what is held as divine.

    What is your answer to your own question, Sandy?
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    No such thing as Hell or Heaven for that matter> if I choose to call something one or the other > I create it ..........:-)

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    Quote Originally posted by sandy View Post
    No such thing as Hell or Heaven for that matter> if I choose to call something one or the other > I create it ..........:-)
    Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us. It's what makes us a strong community.
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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us. It's what makes us a strong community.
    When Sandy speaks...I pay attention!
    Whatever is true. Whatever is noble. Whatever is right. Whatever is lovely. Whatever is admirable. Anything of excellence and worthy of praise. Dwell on these things. Jesus Christ (I agree)

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    If you have heard of archons you will want to know where the term comes from, the proper definition and the genesis of them into our reality. This Max Igan interview with John Lash (the one who introduced the word archon into our lexicon) will allow one to be informed if they use the term.
    John Lamb Lash in Conversation with Max Igan

    I consider this an important interview for anyone unhappy with the way the world is and is genuinely solution oriented.

    Last edited by modwiz, 12th July 2017 at 09:25.
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    Archons have come to be one more boogeyman to give people an excuse not to look to (and clean) their own mental space.
    Sometimes God shines his magic light beam from outer space, and it works in mysterious ways.

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    Quote Originally posted by PurpleLama View Post
    Archons have come to be one more boogeyman to give people an excuse not to look to (and clean) their own mental space.
    Huh, I always equate Archons with "their mind" or "the flyers" or (potentially) extra dimensional mind parasites , or who knows?

    But to me, it's ALWAYS been about inner landscape management, most especially self awareness and being present to ensure your actions truly are your own.


    Is this not the commonly held train of thought?
    Question everything. Always.

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    They seem to be described well enough by JLL in the supplied audio interview. Interestingly re-iterating, how he observes people's willingness to make up all kinds of versions, distortions, and omissions of what they are. That perhaps is archons in action.

    I get the feeling that being able to define them and recognise them is 90% of ridding them.

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