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    The way i see the house and the tree will be different from how you see them.
    So whats real the house? or our perception of it.

    Is it real when i am a block away and cannot perceive it in any way?
    There supposedly is a pile of stones there, but my house is just a memory at that point.

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    Here we go back to the beginning, too. Define real.
    Do not fashion me a maiden who needs saving from the dragons. I am the Dragon. And I will eat you whole.

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    Ah, but the reality of me is independent of another person's perception of me, or even of my own.
    Sometimes God shines his magic light beam from outer space, and it works in mysterious ways.

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    Quote Originally posted by 1inmany View Post
    Here we go back to the beginning, too. Define real.
    You define it.

    Mwahahaha
    Last edited by PurpleLama, 11th January 2015 at 20:38. Reason: mwahahaha
    Sometimes God shines his magic light beam from outer space, and it works in mysterious ways.

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    Back to the question of what reality is then.
    what is the reality of you? or me for that matter.

    Is it the fleshy bag of water and bones.
    is it what we can sense?

    I tend to think reality is what my consciousness creates from all input. That is including thoughts and emotions as input as well.

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    Quote Originally posted by PurpleLama View Post
    You define it.

    Mwahahaha
    The omission of a question mark says it all. The question for me is what constitutes the "you", which I thus mark.

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    Quote Originally posted by PurpleLama View Post
    You define it.

    Mwahahaha
    Oh great :/

    If I am talking about a real house, that would be solid matter. 3d reality solid, matter, I can reach out and touch it and see it with my eyes.

    But see, when you start talking about real, you seem to go way beyond what is tangible for me.
    Do not fashion me a maiden who needs saving from the dragons. I am the Dragon. And I will eat you whole.

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    Quote Originally posted by PurpleLama
    Where does your creation find the traction it needs before someone else can see it's really real?
    Wait a second. You brought it up, you define it. That's only fair. haha
    Do not fashion me a maiden who needs saving from the dragons. I am the Dragon. And I will eat you whole.

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    Ah, I defined it at the outset. In response to Max Igan, IIRC.
    Sometimes God shines his magic light beam from outer space, and it works in mysterious ways.

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    Okay. Honestly? Anything we can imagine is real. The more coherence one has, the more solid it becomes, whatever we imagine.

    But...seriously, I do not have a guess as to how real something has to be before someone else recognizes it. I would guess that some people can see real creations that are invisible to most.

    There is a totally serious answer.

    Though I will add that others can more than likely see evidence of what we create, even if they can't see the creation itself.

    And this seems to be unrelated to who made the house and who made the tree. I don't see that these are related.
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    Ron has a warm quality in this vid. Good enough talk.

    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" -- Voltaire

    "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."-- Eleanor Roosevelt

    "Misery loves company. Wisdom has to look for it." -- Anonymous

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    Perhaps we're all just a bunch of energy fields interacting with each other (consciously, spiritually), and 3D reality is just a bunch of energy boundaries interacting with other boundaries (event horizons).

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    Quote Originally posted by 1inmany
    Who made the house is different than who made that tree though.
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    Okay. Honestly? Anything we can imagine is real. The more coherence one has, the more solid it becomes, whatever we imagine.

    But...seriously, I do not have a guess as to how real something has to be before someone else recognizes it. I would guess that some people can see real creations that are invisible to most.

    There is a totally serious answer.

    Though I will add that others can more than likely see evidence of what we create, even if they can't see the creation itself.

    And this seems to be unrelated to who made the house and who made the tree. I don't see that these are related.
    Maybe the house and the tree are like 'the chicken and the egg'. In the end, they are both entangled. If time is an illusion -- or at the very least, non-linear, maybe the tree and the house were created/imagined at the same time. Or, if the tree was created first, you'd have to go 'forward' to get to the house. If the house was created first, you'd have to go 'backward' to get to the tree.

    As for 'who' created the house and/or the tree, the same 'creator' (consciousness) created them.

    To remind myself that time is not linear, I made a 'backwards-running' clock.

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    How well does this idea fit?
    That both house and tree were imagined by person, or persons unknown at a time, or times unknown before you first encountered either. At that time, you accepted them as shared by the imaginations of all the people close to you either geographically or on a spiritual level, who had witnessed them previously, unconsciously agreeing to continue them at least for a time as part of your own imagining but possibly subject to later revision.

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    Quote Originally posted by Pris View Post
    Maybe the house and the tree are like 'the chicken and the egg'. In the end, they are both entangled. If time is an illusion -- or at the very least, non-linear, maybe the tree and the house were created/imagined at the same time. Or, if the tree was created first, you'd have to go 'forward' to get to the house. If the house was created first, you'd have to go 'backward' to get to the tree.

    As for 'who' created the house and/or the tree, the same 'creator' (consciousness) created them…
    I was thinking about this. I guess I don’t see it like the chicken and the egg, as one came from the other. And I don’t think the house and the tree are related that way, one coming from another. Although, something made whichever came first, so it relates that way. I’m still back over here wondering who made what.



    Quote Originally posted by KosmicKat View Post
    How well does this idea fit?
    That both house and tree were imagined by person, or persons unknown at a time, or times unknown before you first encountered either. At that time, you accepted them as shared by the imaginations of all the people close to you either geographically or on a spiritual level, who had witnessed them previously, unconsciously agreeing to continue them at least for a time as part of your own imagining but possibly subject to later revision.
    Wow, yes that fits. What this does, for me, is remind me that I am bigger than the person sitting reading this, pondering this. On a Higher level, yes we agreed on aspects of the reality, the aspects we share. So thank you for this reminder. I have been riddling this since PL started it, and I see that I have been riddling it from a very human point of view. Of course, that is the most natural pov and the one that comes the easiest, being the one I have lived with up until recently.

    Man’s hands (not a sexist reference) made the house. God’s hand(s) (not a religious reference) made the tree. But God’s hand(s) made the man (a spark residing in us All). So if we go far enough "back" in the process, eh. It’s all the same.

    Where I am stuck these days is figuring out to what extent I am God. Tbh. To some extent, my children are me. So I guess to some extent I am Universe, being a Child of Universe. That's about where I am.

    As for linear time, haha Pris, nice clock. I don't need so many reminders that time isn't linear these days. Many things I see remind me of this. Some of the things I have started to experience are outside of time. Some are outside of space. You would think that with this type of thing happening, I wouldn't need reminders that I have too narrow a view. You would think, actually, that I wouldn't keep having such a narrow view to begin with.

    It is a process, is all I can say.
    Do not fashion me a maiden who needs saving from the dragons. I am the Dragon. And I will eat you whole.

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