Rhosgobel Tent At TOT

[modwiz]

Very interesting, something new to learn every day.



Sounds rather like cooking, season to taste. Oh, and easy on the pepper lol.



I'm not surprised intent is the prime ingredient, that makes sense. Am I to assume you mean intent from the actual maker of a bell, the one who rings it, or maybe even both?

Looks like we're getting into the realms of alchemy here, of which I have very little knowledge. So going back to the intent factor, here is a real life question as to practical application: There's an old, fairly decent sized iron bell set in a concrete knee wall in front of our house by the previous owner. That would make it an awfully peppery dish huh? Are you saying I can tone that down a bit through intent, toss in a few different "spices", thus creating a new, and personalized resonance?




What do you mean by that?

I was referring to the intent of the maker. I do want to clarify my statement about intent. Materials matter, sometimes crucially, but the act of creation has many components and conditions.

Regarding your iron ball, it would have to be melted down with the process starting from creation. I would advise against a bell or gong based on iron. It would have a very strong martial resonance.

[Eelco]

Here's one.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl2abkTndAw


She looked awful (as in sick) on almost al footage I saw of her.
Might have been the harmonium?

didn't affect her ability to move people though

With Love
Eelco

[modwiz]

The instrument invented by Ben Franklin? I would be interested to know more about the players and listeners who were affected (I've always found the sound of it to be cloyingly sweet, so try to avoid it).

Yes, that instrument. Good call.

Know more? Like what? It would be like some form of lead poisoning.
I do not recall more information being given than what I gave. The source is a now almost out of print book, "Gem Elixirs and Vibrational Healing Vol.II". $91.56 on Amazon.
If I can find my book I will see if there is any more detail about the neuropathologies.

After observing the ill effects of the lead crystals they changed to glass or pure quartz.

A harmonium outfitted without lead is a special instrument.

[modwiz]

Here's one.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sl2abkTndAw


She looked awful (as in sick) on almost al footage I saw of her.
Might have been the harmonium?

didn't affect her ability to move people though

With Love
Eelco

I just listened. I believe this is a different kind of harmonium, more like an organ.

[Seikou-Kishi]

It would not surprise me in the slightest to think that different materials have a medicinal or toxic effect on the body simply by creating sound. We know that sound has an influence on the body, and it stands to reason when we consider that sound is information transmission — it's a longitudinal "compression wave" and I think of it as a sort of molecular Chinese whisper, every molecule receiving the information from the molecule on one side and passing it along to the molecule on the other. When we consider that every material in the world has its own vibration, each material that produces sound when struck, &c., has a definitive influence on the nature of that sound. If something is an energetic healer, the sound it produces could carry that healing signature and impart it to all molecules through which the sound passes, including the molecules of our body, and particularly the water in our body that acts as a recorder of energetic imprints.

This is one of the reasons I won't be around stones with fluorine in them. I do not avoid fluoridated water only to go sucking in the energetic poison of fluorine into my own water. My friend and I created a form of energetic healing and purification using sound. We'd take herbs of a certain nature and create a decoction in the normal manner. Then we'd fill a glass about half full with this tincture and add gemstones of a similar nature. Once assembled, we'd run a finger around the rim of the glass repeatedly to generate a sound. We'd only use lead crystal glasses for this if we were using herbs and stones connected to Saturn, Capricorn or Aquarius. As the "recipes" and uses of these things diversfied and multiplied, we began decorating the glasses by painting them in certain colours and inscribing them with symbols and words to contribute to the "flavour".

We considered it was that glass produced a sound amplified by the shape of the glass. This sound would pass through the tincture and stones, which would act upon it the way a coloured lense acts upon light. We know anyway that from a purely physical point of view, one substance will affect the sound produced quite noticeably. They would impart their nature to the sound and its energetic signature. It is like creating an atmosphere or field full of energy of a specific nature. Anybody who could hear the sound was within the field.

If I could recommend nothing else on this topic to people, I would recommend having a set of seven such glasses, one for each chakra. Not only can you use tinctures and stones relating to each chakra, you can change how full the glass is overall to change the note to match the note of each chakra.

Another option when colouring the glasses to "tune" them is to use oil paints. These are useful because they can be mixed with small amounts of essential oils. Once so mixed, they can be painted on the outside of the glass's vessel or bulb and left to dry (you might want to leave a small margin around the rim so you don't rub the paint off) . It's another way of bringing in the energetic quality of plants. For example, by mixing black or green oil paint with a little star anise and clary sage oils, you can make a paint that will strengthen the psychic senses. Using black oil paint with these two oils and painting the back of a piece of glass or the outside of a glass bowl is an effective way of creating a "mirror of art" or scrying bowl respectively.

[modwiz]

It would not surprise me in the slightest to think that different materials have a medicinal or toxic effect on the body simply by creating sound. We know that sound has an influence on the body, and it stands to reason when we consider that sound is information transmission — it's a longitudinal "compression wave" and I think of it as a sort of molecular Chinese whisper, every molecule receiving the information from the molecule on one side and passing it along to the molecule on the other. When we consider that every material in the world has its own vibration, each material that produces sound when struck, &c., has a definitive influence on the nature of that sound. If something is an energetic healer, the sound it produces could carry that healing signature and impart it to all molecules through which the sound passes, including the molecules of our body, and particularly the water in our body that acts as a recorder of energetic imprints.

This is one of the reasons I won't be around stones with fluorine in them. I do not avoid fluoridated water only to go sucking in the energetic poison of fluorine into my own water. My friend and I created a form of energetic healing and purification using sound. We'd take herbs of a certain nature and create a decoction in the normal manner. Then we'd fill a glass about half full with this tincture and add gemstones of a similar nature. Once assembled, we'd run a finger around the rim of the glass repeatedly to generate a sound. We'd only use lead crystal glasses for this if we were using herbs and stones connected to Saturn, Capricorn or Aquarius. As the "recipes" and uses of these things diversfied and multiplied, we began decorating the glasses by painting them in certain colours and inscribing them with symbols and words to contribute to the "flavour".

We considered it was that glass produced a sound amplified by the shape of the glass. This sound would pass through the tincture and stones, which would act upon it the way a coloured lense acts upon light. We know anyway that from a purely physical point of view, one substance will affect the sound produced quite noticeably. They would impart their nature to the sound and its energetic signature. It is like creating an atmosphere or field full of energy of a specific nature. Anybody who could hear the sound was within the field.

If I could recommend nothing else on this topic to people, I would recommend having a set of seven such glasses, one for each chakra. Not only can you use tinctures and stones relating to each chakra, you can change how full the glass is overall to change the note to match the note of each chakra.

Another option when colouring the glasses to "tune" them is to use oil paints. These are useful because they can be mixed with small amounts of essential oils. Once so mixed, they can be painted on the outside of the glass's vessel or bulb and left to dry (you might want to leave a small margin around the rim so you don't rub the paint off) . It's another way of bringing in the energetic quality of plants. For example, by mixing black or green oil paint with a little star anise and clary sage oils, you can make a paint that will strengthen the psychic senses. Using black oil paint with these two oils and painting the back of a piece of glass or the outside of a glass bowl is an effective way of creating a "mirror of art" or scrying bowl respectively.

Thank you for this contribution.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I'd like to make a small addendum. I said we'd only ever use lead crystal glasses for Saturn, Capricorn or Aquarius, but even then we'd be much more likely not to. Lead seems to carry all the harmful influences of Saturn with none of the good. Saturn can be of a helpful nature, but it's austere and severe and this harshness, already strong enough in Saturn, seems emphasised in lead in a way which drowns out the modest good which Saturn can contribute.

And, at the same time, there's a sense of asymmetry to use lead crystal glasses for Saturn-related things when there isn't a "gold crystal" glass for solar energies, and so on. It may be easier to induce this resonant sound in lead crystal than in ordinary glass, but on an energetic basis this is a false economy.

[modwiz]

I'd like to make a small addendum. I said we'd only ever use lead crystal glasses for Saturn, Capricorn or Aquarius, but even then we'd be much more likely not to. Lead seems to carry all the harmful influences of Saturn with none of the good. Saturn can be of a helpful nature, but it's austere and severe and this harshness, already strong enough in Saturn, seems emphasised in lead in a way which drowns out the modest good which Saturn can contribute.

And, at the same time, there's a sense of asymmetry to use lead crystal glasses for Saturn-related things when there isn't a "gold crystal" glass for solar energies, and so on. It may be easier to induce this resonant sound in lead crystal than in ordinary glass, but on an energetic basis this is a false economy.

Most narcotic plants were given an affiliation with Saturn. This was prior to the 'discovery' of Neptune, which fits much better for me. Although I do also see a correlation with the electro-insulative properties of lead and the insulating/deadening affects of narcotics. Especially when abused instead of used. There are times when insulation, of any sort, allows one to survive something that might otherwise overwhelm.

Once again, thank you for bringing thoughtful and informative discourse to the tent.

I'd like to acknowledge Water, the medium for holding intention and information.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I completely agree with your assessment of narcotics as Neptunian rather than Saturnine. Neptune has heavy streaks of escapism running through it, and abuse of narcotics and alcohol and anything that stupefies is of this Neptunian character. Saturn really has very little patience for almost everything Neptunian. The overarching theme of harmfulness that Saturn embodies ensures there will always be some connection when anything is abused, but the narcotic nature of the abuse is strongly Neptunian. As a similar theme, love of food even to the point of sheer gluttony is a Jovian trait, but the harm it does through a complete lack of moderation is a Saturnine trait (moderation itself is also of Saturn). Jupiter loves food, Neptune loves escapist drugs, and Saturn loves problems.

At the same time, though, Saturn loves discipline and when Saturn is well expressed, Jupiter can enjoy food without binging and Neptune can enjoy alcohol without alcoholism. Saturn is the very epitome of the Victorian father; it might have some good influence, but any such nurturing side is hidden beneath layer upon layer of dogmatism and domineering.

What you say of insulation as a life-saver is completely spot on for me. A classical pairing of planets is Mars and Saturn, considered together the two "evil" planets. One is the unstoppable force and the other the immoveable object. When life is rushing at one with a speed and insistence that makes it hard to resist, Saturn has the power to shield against much of that oncoming torrent. It is almost as though it gives one time to acclimatise, to dip one's toe in the water rather than to plummet into it.

For me, drugs which do not deaden but which enliven and are primarily spiritual drugs, like diviner's sage or ayahuasca, are of the nature of Uranus rather than Neptune at least insofar as they are visionary (the purging found in ayahuasca is more Jovian and Venusian, because as a pair nothing is as effective at purification as these two).

[modwiz]

My purpose in sharing some of this information is to form a basis of reference that can be built upon.

Color is its own category, so let me start that conversation with days of the week and their colors and planetary affiliations.
Spanish weekday names reveal planetary affiliation and are posted where applicable.

Sunday, yellow/gold, the Sun.
Monday/Moonday, white/silver, the Moon.
Tuesday/Martes, Red,Crimson, Mars.
Wednesday/Miercoles, Blue, Mercury.
Thursday/Jueves, Purple, Jupiter.
Friday/Viernes, Green, Venus.
Satuday/Sabado, Black, Saturn.

Four of the five week days are aligned with the Norse pantheon.

Tiwsday. Tiw,Tiu, Tir is their equivalent god of war. although (W)Odin/Woden shares some of those duties.
Wodensday. Correspondence with Mercury is tenuous in some views but, it seems good to me. Especially with Loki as a traveling companion.
Thorsday. Thor made lightning and so did Zeus/Jupiter/Jove.
Freyasday. Also Frigga.

I find the cultural aspects of Norse mythology to be unique and less universal (unless worked) than the Greco/Roman concepts.

[modwiz]

Accidental double post owing to improvements in progress.

Just noticed a post of mine and Purple Lama's has gone missing.

[Seikou-Kishi]

This is a post of mine that was lost during improvements. I had the uncharacteristic foresight to save a copy before I posted it.

———

I agree completely with your distinction between the differences in the ways Jupiter and the Sun work. For me, Jupiter is a mirror in the incarnated world of the Sun, which is the original principle in the supernal. Venus, on the other hand, is like the avatar of the Moon. The Sun and the Moon are the primordial yang and yin. The primordial yang is in its essence a projection, the process of taking something from a state of potential to a state of actuality. The primordial yin is a reception, the process of taking something from a state of actuality into a state of potential.

These two have corollaries in the incarnated worlds in the planets Jupiter and Venus. Jupiter mirrors the primordial projection of the Sun and can be thought of as a high priest commending something to the spirit. Venus, on the other hand, is like a priestess or oracle not sending up to the spirit, but divining something from the spirit into the physical. Between the Sun which projects from the spirit and Venus which takes delivery, there is a path of divination. Likewise between Jupiter which promotes from the physical and the Moon which beckons back towards the spirit, there is a path of hallowing, erection or dedication.

Jupiter and Venus then are like lesser-world analogues of higher-world principles, though in their interactions they cross to their complimentary principle. The way the three principal spheres on the tree of life, Kether, Chokmah and Binah (Crown, Wisdom and Understanding/realisation) are supernal spheres mirrored in incarnation by the spheres by Tiphareth, Chesed and Gvurah (brilliance/beauty, mercy and strength/destruction), the principles represented by the Sun and Moon find counterparts in Jupiter and Venus.

Because Venus embodies in the physical world the primordial magnetic, it has the power to thoroughly cleanse by drawing in spiritual light. Then, the magnifying power of Jupiter commends the cleansed thing to the spirit world, it raises the vibration by bridging the gap between the physical and the spiritual, between the low and the high. The combination of Venus and Jupiter is an act of hierogamy in which the worlds are brought closer together. It is like the neopagan practice of casting a circle in that the circle is held to exist simultanaeously in all worlds.

Venus cleanses by drawing down spiritual light which drives away spiritual dross or stagnating energy. Jupiter then follows up on this cleansing by creating a degree of imperviousness to that dross or stagnation. The two together are like cleaning a piece of furniture and then applying a layer of wipe-clean varnish.

In the incarnated world, those original principles, the primordial yang and yin, called the electric and magnetic principles in Bardonian terminology, are represented in different ways. The incarnated electric forces are the resplendent fire (Mars) and lofty air/wind (Uranus), while the incarnated magnetic forces are the abyssal water (Neptune) and the barren earth (Saturn). Jupiter and Venus stand between these four.

The four elements are like a kaleidoscopic fracturing of the original principles. As yang and yin are two faces of the one spirit, so are the two elements of each polarity a fracturing of the original principles. As Yang is incarnated it fractures into Yang of Yang, or fire, and Yin of Yang, or air. Likewise as Yin is incarnated it fractures into Yang of Yin, or water, and Yin of Yin, or earth. This is why fire is the most energetic of the elements and earth is the densest.

Because Jupiter and Venus best represent in an incarnated sense the discarnate Yang and Yin, they less than any other force least demonstrate this fracturing of energy. As the ember burns and churns out smoke, there is a moment of transition at which fire becomes air. This is Jupiter, and so it is both fire and air. As stirred water settles and the sediment sinks, or else as water freezes and becomes ice, there is also a moment of transition in which the flowing of water becomes the hibernating earth. This is Venus. Venus is dissolution and Jupiter confirmation or erection.

In this way, a purification and hallowing by application of the electric and magnetic mediators (the terms I use to describe Jupiter and Venus respectively) is a consecration by all the elements. Furthermore, the status of Jupiter and Venus as the greater and lesser benefics implies into the working a useful beneficence.

As you said we can only go by our own understanding, so too do I realise that these are only my meditations upon the elements and their interactions, and so their catholicity is in nowise assumed.

[Seikou-Kishi]

My purpose in sharing some of this information is to form a basis of reference that can be built upon.

Color is its own category, so let me start that conversation with days of the seek and their colors and planetary affiliations.
Spanish weekday names reveal planetary affiliation and are posted where applicable.

Sunday, yellow/gold, the Sun.
Monday/Moonday, white/silver, the Moon.
Tuesday/Martes, Red,Crimson, Mars.
Wednesday/Miercoles, Blue, Mercury.
Thursday/Jueves, Purple, Jupiter.
Friday/Viernes, Green, Venus.
Satuday/Sabado, Black, Saturn.

Four of the five week days are aligned with the Norse pantheon.

Tiwsday. Tiw,Tiu, Tir is their equivalent god of war. although (W)Odin/Woden shares some of those duties.
Wodensday. Correspondence with Mercury is tenuous in some views but, it seems good to me. Especially with Loki as a traveling companion.
Thorsday. Thor made lightning and so did Zeus/Jupiter/Jove.
Freyasday. Also Frigga.

I find the cultural aspects of Norse mythology to be unique and less universal (unless worked) than the Greco/Roman concepts.

The links between Odin and Mercury as the gods of Wednesday and Mercredi become more obvious when we consider Mercury not as messenger of the gods, but as Hermes Psychopompos, one of the gods responsible for leading souls to the afterlife.

It might (or might not) interest you to know that the East Asian names for the days of the week follow a similar pattern. In Japanese, they are 月曜日 (getsuyōbi, or moon-week-day), 火曜日 (kayōbi, or fire-week-day), 水曜日 (suiyōbi, or water-week-day), 木曜日 (mokuyōbi, or wood-week-day), 金曜日 (kin'yōbi, or metal-week-day), 土曜日 (doyōbi, or earth-week-day) and 日曜日 (nichiyōbi, or sun-week-day). The ka-, sui-, moku-, kin- and do- in the names of Tuesday to Saturday are taken from the words 火星, 水星, 木星, 金星, and 土星 (kasei - Mars, suisei - Mercury, mokusei - Jupiter, kinsei - Venus and dosei, Saturn).

The names of the days are clearly linked to the seven major planets, and each is connected to one of the five Eastern elements. The Japanese use the five Chinese elements of metal, fire, wood, water and earth, despite having a five element system much more like the Western form: they have fire, wind, water and earth, and "void" in the place of aethyr.

[Eelco]

Strange.. I have come across colour lists before, but regarding the days of the week I have seen them as colours as long as I can remember.
Monday is sky blue
Tuesday a light orangy colour
Wednesday black or indigo ( night sky)
thursdays as yellow very intens from within.
friday is a greyish blue
saturday as beige/white with a hint of red warmth without red.
and sunday as red..

With Love
Eelco

[modwiz]

This is a post of mine that was lost during improvements. I had the uncharacteristic foresight to save a copy before I posted it.

———

I agree completely with your distinction between the differences in the ways Jupiter and the Sun work. For me, Jupiter is a mirror in the incarnated world of the Sun, which is the original principle in the supernal. Venus, on the other hand, is like the avatar of the Moon. The Sun and the Moon are the primordial yang and yin. The primordial yang is in its essence a projection, the process of taking something from a state of potential to a state of actuality. The primordial yin is a reception, the process of taking something from a state of actuality into a state of potential.

These two have corollaries in the incarnated worlds in the planets Jupiter and Venus. Jupiter mirrors the primordial projection of the Sun and can be thought of as a high priest commending something to the spirit. Venus, on the other hand, is like a priestess or oracle not sending up to the spirit, but divining something from the spirit into the physical. Between the Sun which projects from the spirit and Venus which takes delivery, there is a path of divination. Likewise between Jupiter which promotes from the physical and the Moon which beckons back towards the spirit, there is a path of hallowing, erection or dedication.

Jupiter and Venus then are like lesser-world analogues of higher-world principles, though in their interactions they cross to their complimentary principle. The way the three principal spheres on the tree of life, Kether, Chokmah and Binah (Crown, Wisdom and Understanding/realisation) are supernal spheres mirrored in incarnation by the spheres by Tiphareth, Chesed and Gvurah (brilliance/beauty, mercy and strength/destruction), the principles represented by the Sun and Moon find counterparts in Jupiter and Venus.

Because Venus embodies in the physical world the primordial magnetic, it has the power to thoroughly cleanse by drawing in spiritual light. Then, the magnifying power of Jupiter commends the cleansed thing to the spirit world, it raises the vibration by bridging the gap between the physical and the spiritual, between the low and the high. The combination of Venus and Jupiter is an act of hierogamy in which the worlds are brought closer together. It is like the neopagan practice of casting a circle in that the circle is held to exist simultanaeously in all worlds.

Venus cleanses by drawing down spiritual light which drives away spiritual dross or stagnating energy. Jupiter then follows up on this cleansing by creating a degree of imperviousness to that dross or stagnation. The two together are like cleaning a piece of furniture and then applying a layer of wipe-clean varnish.

In the incarnated world, those original principles, the primordial yang and yin, called the electric and magnetic principles in Bardonian terminology, are represented in different ways. The incarnated electric forces are the elements resplendent fire (Mars) and lofty air/wind (Uranus), while the incarnated magnetic forces are the abyssal water (Neptune) and the barren earth (Saturn). Jupiter and Venus stand between these four.

The four elements are like a kaleidoscopic fracturing of the original principles. As yang and yin are two faces of the one spirit, so are the two elements of each polarity a fracturing of the original principles. As Yang is incarnated it fractures into Yang of Yang, or fire, and Yin of Yang, or air. Likewise as Yin is incarnated it fractures into Yang of Yin, or water, and Yin of Yin, or earth. This is why fire is the most energetic of the elements and earth is the densest.

Because Jupiter and Venus best represent in an incarnated sense the discarnate Yang and Yin, they less than any other force least demonstrate this fracturing of energy. As the ember burns and churns out smoke, there is a moment of transition at which fire becomes air. This is Jupiter, and so it is both fire and air. As stirred water settles and the sediment sinks, or else as water freezes and becomes ice, there is almost a moment of transition in which the flowing of water becomes the hibernating earth. This is Venus. Venus is dissolution and Jupiter confirmation or erection.

In this way, a purification and hallowing by application of the electric and magnetic mediators (the terms I use to describe Jupiter and Venus respectively) is a consecration by all the elements. Furthermore, the status of Jupiter and Venus as the greater and lesser benefics implies into the working a useful beneficence.

As you said we can only go by our own understanding, so too do I realise that these are only my meditations upon the elements and their interactions, and so their catholicity is in nowise assumed.

Excellent short essay on this subject. It was filled with useful information. I am glad we had the good fortune of your saving this post.

Must be a coincidence.