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    From Seikou-Kishi :

    1. You can't go out like that. Since there is no physical limit on it, this is not true. Unless we were trying to go out in an elaborate costume that was too big to fit through the door but how often is that the case?
    2. You may not go out like that. That's more accurate, but what is permission? Anybody in that situation would probably realise that there were now two people in the equation: the person wishing to go out dressed in a certain way and the person who considers it their right to monitor your attire. It is an arrogant assumption, though, because what they mean is option number 3 and they phrase it this way out of an assumption of authority.
    3. I do not want you to go out like that. That's the most accurate, and in that position most people would say that they do not care what somebody wants. It states the person's position without implying that there is anything objective about their opinion. They state their dislike openly and without any arrogant assumption that their desire is universal (though the assumption that what they want is automatically important is still on the arrogant side).
    4. Are you sure it's a good idea to dress like that? In response to your query, I make you aware of a reason why you maybe wouldn't wear that that you might not have considered before. This option respects the autonomy of the individual and demonstrates the principle that a good, reasonable idea is not afraid to explain itself. If there is a good reason for not dressing a certain way (dressing lightly in the middle of winter, for example) that is one thing and worth listening to. If there is no good reason, the idea, the request or imposition has no reason at all to be respected in the slightest, regardless of who expresses it.
    results in = 5. Don't go anywhere today . It's not the Day to do that , for all those people out there know what to wear and they've got dressed up early in the morning, went to the office, deserved their lunch etc .

    then it usually rolls on to Option 6 that says, 'No matter what you wear, being a weirdo , they will find out and you really need the veggies so there are about 2 options left '' .



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    Quote Originally posted by Sooz View Post
    Regards the swearing filter, it wasn't me. It was 'Who Made Cods' fault, I swear.

    He made me do it.

    He's a bad influence that fella.....on young girlies like me....don't be tricked by his new avatar...

    Love Sooz
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    You have now raised the question of who made codpieces? I wonder who conceived of them? A needledick to be sure.

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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    You have now raised the question of who made codpieces? I wonder who conceived of them? A needledick to be sure.
    Having taught History of Costume for some time, I can only remember the mention of such, coming up in the time of Henry V111, since they were a part of the outer garment, other than that I think I remember some form being used for the Knights with their armour, but no where else did it come up. And yes made by a specialist in tailoring or dressmaking, but most definitely a piece of clothing made for a definite need.

    As for naughty Sooz, I too saw that mistake in the members' list and couldn't quite come up with a relevant word on the subject, you snuk it in real well Sooz.

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    Words, Words, Words! . . . Holy smokums, I can't say I read thoroughly, just grazed.

    My thoughts: It's easy to get lost in semantics, how well our politicians know that.

    In the end, for me, it's not whether you choose to use "may" or "can" - it's your intention behind the word or words you choose to use.

    I always go back to Thoreau who said: Simplify, Simplify, Simplify

    "Me Tarzan, You Jane" while not eloquent, is difficult to misinterpret.

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    Just fill in the thing tarzan or Jane would want to be doing right now. And the need for more words would arise in an instant.

    "Me Tarzan, You Jane, Lets ......."
    "Me Jane thinks that ..... would be a better idea."
    "Me Trazan, maybe after......"
    "MJ, well if you are going to be childish about it maybe we should......"
    "MT, ok ok....."

    etc etc etc.

    WIth Love
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    The era of so called technological ‘evolution’

    Fast pace lifestyles

    2 minute attention spans

    No time to think or contemplate deeper the greater mysteries

    Must have nano bite size news

    Skim reading

    Text language “btw, r u ok”

    Evolution and adaptation says we lose what we 'do not use'

    Maybe it’s a blessing that human’s focus so much time and pride over their locks of hair – hopefully their heads won’t shrink.






    Ps. This thread discussion (as I understood it) was an opportunity to stretch our minds into progressive consciousness, new ways of aware thinking and conscious output.

    Quantum grammar is recognising language as sounds oscillating frequencies, consciously creating alchemical magic bringing it into form – a prayer with intention.

    We are walking in our Minds......................

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    Quote Originally posted by Breeze View Post

    Ps. This thread discussion (as I understood it) was an opportunity to stretch our minds into progressive consciousness, new ways of aware thinking and conscious output.

    Quantum grammar is recognising language as sounds oscillating frequencies, consciously creating alchemical magic bringing it into form – a prayer with intention.

    We are walking in our Minds......................
    I Think I understand what you mean. putting it to a quantum output though seems neigh impossible using conventional language constructs.

    Taking the Rote as "complete self containing thought form" from question to answer. That is roughly how I would look at a prayer with intention. I know it is there. I can add and substract from it. What to me seems impossible to do is come up with the words to covert the rote into a wordstream which in the end will convey every nuance of it.

    In my mind I compare the process to the way I can visualize. It took me ages to see that in my case it isn't a movie like visual stream. only when I realized that the darkness behind my eyelids have nothing to do with the visualization stream, but that for me it was more like remembering the face of an old friend or see of circumstanses that I was able to say I can do this.

    that said however I still have many times I doubt my ability in rememering what I saw is actualy as it is occuring. see the confusion?

    with love
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    The NNA or whoever hack had disconnected me from the server last night but I've been able to access here through PM channel .

    That was just about when I started undusting my TED talk ..

    You've never been alone ..:unity:




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    Thanks Breeze for opening up this thread.
    On a related base. Back when I had only 2 daughters that needed verbal guidence there was a big difference in how we would formulate what we wanted. Say if it was raining and we wanted them to put on a coat. confronted with their "no" we would explain to the one that it was raining and that she would get wet. which was enough for her to comply. The other one would have a tantrum until she experienced the wetness for herself. No way an explanation would satisfy her..

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