Edit: I have. Naughty Sooz. :tussle:Originally posted by Sooz
SK, I shall return to this thread when I have a spare WEEK to read it lol. Only messing, it looks on first glance to be as relevant and eloquent as ever.
Edit: I have. Naughty Sooz. :tussle:
SK, I shall return to this thread when I have a spare WEEK to read it lol. Only messing, it looks on first glance to be as relevant and eloquent as ever.
There is a very strange atmosphere on TOT at the moment.
Catsquotl,
I can't say that I've ever thought your posts lacked grounding, and you don't seem caught up in flights of fancy. Your sober insistence on assessing the truth and necessity of chakras shows how deliberative your thought processes are. I don't know about me, though, I think it's just the way I think. Usually when I am writing something I become very enthused and perhaps that spills over into the writing itself. I remember doing an IQ test when I was much younger. It was strange because where most people will line up thoughts and assess them all in turn, I looked at the questions and rather than looking at one part, then the next part, and so on, I almost stared "through" it to defocus my eyes and my mind so that I could take the whole question in at once and as soon as I did that, the answer came immediately. There wasn't arduous problem-solving, there was no working the answer out, I just looked at the question and knew the answer and it never failed me. I wonder if on some level I'm consciously able to access subconscious processing power. It certainly seems like a spiritual faculty because in the "Western Mystery Tradition", as it's known, the deliberate bypassing of the conscious mind is something people employ all sorts of tricks to try to achieve but it's always come easily to me. The best way I can describe it is it seems many people think in linear terms. I can see their minds working and it'll go something like "if this, then that, and if that, then also that other thing" and so on, as though they're working in a slow, plodding progression or sequence, but in my mind I can see patterns and relationships between ideas that often people don't consider connected. (That's not necessarily a metaphor, because I can usually see thoughts in my own mind (much larger than my head lol)... they're often clear pink, bright but soft lol).
It gave me a little trouble as a child because I would often give the end of my thought first if it was a subject that didn't interest me, leaving everybody else to guess what I was going on about because they couldn't see how I'd got there. Unlike others, I didn't have to wait to get to the end because the end of my thought came at the same time as the beginning of the thought. I can't really explain it, but you know how in telepathy the message and the response go together? "On the same wave" somebody once wrote. It is like that.
So when I try to write a post, I'm trying to get something that travels off in many directions into the linear procession that is the written word. One sentence follows another and a third follows that. We don't have an initial sentence branching off into three or four new sentences like a prose fractal. I have to find a starting point in a circle, find the pathway through the thought nodes and bring in the periphery according to relevance (i.e., number of interconnections in the resolution threshold)... that may make no sense. I notice the way a lot of people write is that as they progress through their post (or article or essay and so on), they refer back to principles, ideas and analogies already established in earlier parts, but very often I refer forwards to ideas and principles that I haven't established or even mentioned yet, so that as I read it back it all seems to hold together in a way which almost always surprises me lol. I could "draw" my thoughts, but I don't think three dimensions would be enough so two would be useless.
I remember when I was younger I was told by my chemistry teacher to tone down the complexity of my sentences because nobody would believe that a kid had written what I had written. My parents were furious. They were polymaths and they both had unique thought structures. The networks between ideas was very strong in my father, and he could weave together seemingly unrelated subjects and bring new insight that was lacking before. His was a very holistic kind of mind. I don't really know how to describe it, it's not necessarily the same as pure processing power, though he had that in abundance.
I haven't really answered any questions here, have I? Lol. It's something I tend not to dissect, I just leave it as it is. I think it's possible for people to access something like intelligence which isn't conscious intelligence, almost a kind of knowing without cogitation. Perhaps the left-brain thinking is focused and detailed while the left-brain thinking is holistic and overarching, and the combination of both working together is more effective than either in isolation. The conscious mind has a strong grip on some people (and a grip not strong enough on others lol) but it's possible to disengage it entirely and move it backwards to a place beyond left-or-right vs left-and-right brain thinking, and then a purer form of unthinking knowingness comes in. It is like seeing without looking. As I defocused my eyes so that I could take in the whole at once... it feels like the same thing with the mind. There is definitely a form of pure knowingness above and beyond what is considered thought or thinking. Breeze knows it very well; don't let her tell you she isn't intelligent (well, let her, just don't believe her lol).
I have gone through your posts 9 and10. While I am in agreement with the identification of the symptoms. The course is not addressed and that is the entraining program we are subjected to, you could almost say pre-birth which brings us back round to lack of respect for individual sovereignty.
S-K
There are three different but related concepts when it comes to exercising freedom. The first is the idea of possibility. Some things might seem impossible given the state of human knowledge, but then things like breaking the sound once seemed impossible. If people had decided that because it was "impossible" to break the sound barrier there was no point in trying, we'd still not have broken it.
Even when people say that we can or cannot do something from a purely practical point of view, as with the sound barrier, I think people should be less willing to accept such restrictions and more willing to admit that even if current worldview or physics calls something impossible, that is an assertion and not an absolute fact. There is a second, much more common category of possibility in which people say that one cannot do something which one clearly can do, and what they mean is that they do not want you to do something.
n my view, nobody has the ability to declare what I can and cannot do. When I was younger, somebody told me that nobody could live forever and I said "just because nobody has, do not assume nobody will".
And at the same time that we cannot hear those patterns of thought without having our own intelligence and independence infringed upon, we cannot really speak in that way without doing the same to others. We cannot say "you can't do that" in the place of "that might not be such a good idea, because..." without assuming that what we have to say imposes impossibility on others in exactly the same way that society does it to us. While these assumptions continue, I do not think humankind will be able to resolve its problems with authority and power because most expressions of them will pass unquestioned and uncriticised and therefore we will not realise them for the artificial impositions that they are by nature.
What I have high lighted in green I completely understand how you can think that way and it is expressing a bit of a no hope situation.my grandmother says that it is the job of elders to teach their charges "to conquer impossibility".
What I have high lighted in blue tells me otherwise that you can effect a positive out come and in particular your grandmothers motto is part of your foundation.
Could I have your permission to send the info in this thread, to some of my daughters contemporaries to see what they think, I hope they find the time to read it.
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Cearna (19th September 2013)
As an adult. I like it without the filter. However, as an adult, I am used to being lonely.
777 (17th September 2013), Breeze (18th September 2013), Cearna (19th September 2013), john parslow (18th September 2013), Melidae (17th September 2013), Ria (17th September 2013), Seikou-Kishi (17th September 2013)
By all means, share as much as you like :-)
It might seem a little hopeless. It's certainly very widespread. It's actually a lot simpler than it looks, though. All we have to do to neutralise this rather quite insidious phenomenon is to be aware of it. We really only have to keep it in mind so that the next time we encounter it we can think "what I can do is none of your business, and what I may do is not your place to say". Most people do these things unconsciously though so I try not to sound hostile while at the same time sounding resolute. The thing about personal sovereignty is we don't actually need other people to acknowledge it. Imagine how frail sovereignty would be if we had to ensure the whole world respected it :-)
Yes you have..
You have as I understand it written how you take a ROTE
R.O.T.E.
A term created by Robert Monroe that means "Thought Balls". R.O.T.E. stands for Related Organized Thought Energy which is transferred from one soul to another.
And are gifted with the gift of the gab to put that rote into words.
With Love
Eelco
Breeze (18th September 2013), Cearna (19th September 2013), Seikou-Kishi (29th December 2013)
"Civilization" has many varied subtleties ingrained within the concept that are intended to lead one to loss of personal sovereignty via unconscious language/behaviors entrained by 'society' from birth. Once one becomes aware of its' machinations, one becomes free.
Understanding the difference between 'can' and 'may', as well as understanding the implications of their use as a method of subjugating ones self to anothers authority and control, is extremely important. In other words, it may seem a minor thing, but the implications are huge if you are on a journey toward personal sovereignty and/or desire to respect anothers personal sovereignty.
Last edited by Melidae, 17th September 2013 at 21:10.
Breeze (18th September 2013), Cearna (19th September 2013), modwiz (17th September 2013), Ria (17th September 2013), Seikou-Kishi (17th September 2013)
You put that very well.thank you
OK, I give up. To what do you refer?
Cearna (19th September 2013)
Linear formation of ideas is challenging. At least with the written word we get the time to develop the best linear form for an idea. Not having real time verbal interruptions is also helpful for concentration.
Breeze (18th September 2013), Cearna (19th September 2013), Melidae (18th September 2013), Seikou-Kishi (5th April 2014)
Dear Seikou-Kishi, Thank you for your excellent thought provoking thread. I have spent the last two days contemplating your written words; you really have an amazing talent defining so beautifully pointing out the ‘obvious unobvious’. I personally found myself nodding in agreement with everything you have written so eloquently, a topic of modus operandi I was aware of and observed often, but had never placed it into definable words.
I also have some catching up to so many posts, as they have greatly grown since I read this thread the other day - how wonderful!
I have always been a free spirited rebel since a young child, something that still runs through my veins today. If there is a pure reasoned principle behind a point or rule that serves everyone, I will respect it, but if not, and especially if it stamps out/suppresses free expression, creativity and inspiration, I take the path least trodden. My nature is just unable to follow a map or cook book without adding an inspiring idea of my own into the pot. The words “can’t”, “should” or “must” are not spoken in our family.
Some of your posts reminded me back to my childhood days as I was deemed one of those irritating children that constantly asked ‘why’ rather than simply accepting ‘such and such’.
“You can't go out like that”, was a common phrase of my mother’s from a wee child when I loved walking around the village bare foot being energetically connected to the Earth; “The neighbours will think we are paupers unable to afford shoes” she would say. So for the sake of family ‘reputation’ I eventually surrendered, only taking my shoes off when no-one was around.
“You can't go out like that”, turned into heavy authoritarian tones and threatening ‘I’ll ground you from going out if you do not change”, when I was in my mid teens following the latest fashion of miniskirts and local disco nights. There was never room to reason with my mother, as it always boiled down to what the neighbours would think. I didn’t care one way or the other what the boring neighbours thought. So I learned (as many teenagers do) how to get around the situation so mother thought I was obeying; I would secretly prepare a carrier bag of clothes and my high heeled stilettos intended for the disco and bury them in a hedge nearby earlier that day; leave the house in mother’s accepted choice of respectable clothing, then change in a rarely used footpath alleyway before attending the disco. And of course change back before returning home. I did this everyday also with my school uniform as all the female students wore pencil style miniskirts, yet my mother insisted on buying me pleated below the knees skirts!
I am pleased to say since becoming a mother myself, I have approached this very differently, as I would prefer my children dressing how they wish to express rather than sneaking clothing out. Your number 4 Seikou-kishi , “Are you sure it's a good idea to dress like that?” Followed by pure reasoning as to ‘why debates’ is how I approached the situation. Many times my daughters insisted they ‘knew best’, so I let them go out dressed in their chosen attire. It soon dawned on them all, when speaking to boys, they were more occupied in looking at boobs than engaging with their eyes and mind – so they stopped wearing the low cut tops, and the ridiculously short skirts that showed their knickers, as they did not want to be ogled at, seen as just a ‘pretty dolly bird’ play toy. Smile.
It is important to let children learn for themselves, patients and pure reason pays off in the end.
I will be shortly post again and expand upon something else you mention in your posts. Smile.
Cearna (19th September 2013), Seikou-Kishi (18th September 2013)
There are so many amazing gems of wisdom in your posts, yet I have chosen this one as I would like to add an insight that I have observed ‘in play’ during my life that is along the same lines with your above quote .
Being human can have so many wonderful loving attributes when allowed to freely breathe and fly; yet unfortunately there are also multitudes of personality traits (attitudes) under the umbrella of ‘survival of the fittest’, a modus operandi consciously or unconsciously aimed to control and have power over others. For example, if someone ‘shines’ too much (deemed by those observing), this can evoke competition, jealousy and envy from family members, friends and others, whereby conversations start containing suggestive control signals or contaminated criticisms (masquerading as constructive caring advice) to control and ‘dull-down’ the person’s natural shine. This can be easily missed if one has given their trust to the one speaking.
On the same note, the same applies too when someone has an ‘out of the box idea’ they are excited to pursue but naysayers say that is impossible, blah, blah, blah pulling out all the logical obstacles to put them off and trim their wings. Then, in some cases, sneakily go behind their back and start a company up with that very idea! I have seen this happen many times.
*****
One of the saddest observations I have seen and realised in human traits is how so few will genuinely celebrate with joy someone else’s successful achievements - OR how few will genuinely support and encourage someone to reach their dreams into successful manifestation. This lack of genuine support and celebration for others also lies under the umbrella of ‘survival of the fittest’. And this subject goes deeper into the human psyche.....
So many people ‘unconsciously’ choose/magnetise towards a collection of friends and believe this is just going with a ‘flow’. Yes it is a flow, but there are many types of ‘flows’ and the personality loves to ‘flow’ where it ‘feels’ good and is compatible to their habits of gravity. For example, the personality craves attention (whether it be chakras 1, 2,or 3), so will find a circle of friends where such attention can be had, rather than sitting at the back of room where the main attention is spotlighted on someone else. Basically many people ‘flow towards’ people that ‘person A’ deems has less ‘shine’ than themselves, so that ‘person A’ can inwardly feel ‘more’ important, wanted, needed, respected, greater intelligence, be the teacher etc, etc compared to the others. - Thus creating a self made artificial pedestal becoming the main focussed attention at any given time they so choose; an unelected leader that their friends flock to, follow, look up to and trust on their every word. It is important to point out that the friends are usually totally unaware that this underlying current of ‘usury’ is occurring, feeding off their energy; and so too is person ‘A’ quite often unaware of their daily ‘attention cravings’ and have mistook their ego actions (a spiritual mask) to be ‘service to others’.
Here is another example putting it more energetically. How many times have we felt elated joy when someone says, “those words you spoke have changed my perceptions in life”. It is always heart warming and humbling to hear such sincere words spoken, YET, here is my point: are we jazzed the same if it were ourselves speaking internally within our self that “those contemplations I had today have changed my perceptions in life”? Do we have the same joyous elation, energy flowing though our BEingness?
Part of the spiritual journey unfolding who we truly BE within, is looking at our own personal hidden and buried self betrayals, the masks we daily hide behind pretending ‘this is us’ and paying attention to the type of ATTENTION we seek and crave, feeding off people, places, things and events. N.B. A spiritual sovereign BEing does not need to ‘feed’ off others’; they are their own eternal light and self nourishment. The personality hates these type of defining pure reasons or such revealing questions and will kick and scream and use cunning denials and excuses to wallpaper over, disguising the issue into something that kinda resembles ‘service to others’ and is ‘purposeful’ to their life and others. We have to be mindful of these cunning personality traps.
As I write this it reminds me that a long time ago, I asked one of my healer friends, “what would he do next if this planet’s frequency suddenly rose to the Plane where disease and ill health no longer existed?” He was stumped for words as to what he would do with himself. I asked a similar question to a channeller I knew who spent the majority of her waking state channelling: “what will you do when humanity is awakened and in full communication and knowingness to their own Spirit, no longer requiring an intermediary? Again, the thought of what she would do beyond channelling had never entered her mind. The healer and the channeller had both turned their gifts into a kind of holding pattern as BEing their mission's ‘identity’ that represented ‘who’ they were, rather than an eternal being like everyone else having a temporary experience and forgetting there is so much more, greater adventures to explore in the journey of Self. The spiritual journey of Awakening as I understand it is all about ‘balance’ ‘within’ – that then flows outwards’. It is about the horse pulling the cart rather than the horse standing behind the cart.
[How annoying, I have had to split the flow of my post up, as it exceeds 1000 words]
Cearna (19th September 2013), Melidae (18th September 2013), Seikou-Kishi (18th September 2013)
Continued.........
I am aware that what I am speaking about here is a deeper aspect of the spiritual journey of Awakening Self that only the few have the courage to continue to walk and explore as this strips away the personality bringing on many ‘dark nights of the soul’. It is not an easy exercise BEing sincerely honest with oneself looking directly at one’s modus operandi right to the core of our personality nature.
For instance how many of us have honestly sat back and closely looking at our inner circle of friends and people we gravitate towards and ask such questions as to why we are attracted to them; what is it about them that we like, compared to others that we just drop like a hat and have no interest in? What was the difference between the two groups of people (souls)? Perhaps we are someone who always sticks up for the underdog, a righteous choice ‘if’ that is all it is – but this too can be a self betrayal attitude that hungers to ‘be needed’ by others, always assisting those who are seen having ‘lesser’ – would we feel the same if we were spending time with someone who was sovereign within themselves, knew their directions in life and how to get there and didn’t need any help from us?
Do we get the same buzz of joyful satisfaction being in the company of someone who is a genius happily listening to their wise words inspiring us, or does the day feel more satisfying and complete with self achievement if we are doing all the talking while someone else hangs on our every words? These are deep meaningful questions I know, yet important to understand, because these hidden traits of modus operandi lie subtly behind the words we speak in communication with others. Words are just the end results of the hidden intents behind the words.
Humans have forgotten they are Eternal BEings simultaneously nourished with aliveness and vitality by their Holy Spirit - when this truth has been forgotten, physical reality is all there is, and receiving ‘Attention’ from outside of our self is what makes us feel alive in our days – and it is a craving that can easily get out of hand into an unbalanced state and soon a daily habit that then becomes unconscious and deemed a natural part of our nature.
I started working on the traits of ‘Attention’ and the masks it hides behind 13 years ago delving deeper into understanding the hidden layers of my personality. It is a question I ask myself regularly to this day, discovering deeper layers of where I am self betraying myself. Ultimately when we really fully realise and embrace we are all Eternal BEings having a temporary experience on the game board Planet Earth, one’s attention goes inward exploring the deeper mysteries of who we really are, existing simultaneously ‘beyond’ this Shakespeare’s stage. If we are unable to be still and quiet within ourselves, bathing in our own inspiration and light for just one or two days without feeling depressed, fidgety, bored, uneventful, lack purpose, unsuccessful, lifeless, energy drained etc – these are signs of how much outside stimulus/attention the personality daily requires and needs from the outside world to feel alive with purpose – rather than our Divine, self sustaining unconditionally loving, inspiration and creativity glowing from within - outwards.
As always, these are simply my own truths that I have learned along my own spiritual journey and self observation and may not be your truths. I am simply joining in the spirit of sharing.
So to conclude I absolutely agree with the OP that S-K so masterly composed; it is really important to BE aware of the powers and controls hidden subtly in commonly spoken sentences that keep us from spreading our wings and flying. I also feel it is just as important to also be aware of how we too enforce this upon others – the two go hand in hand in my understanding.
BEcoming ‘Aware’ is the first step towards ‘Change’.
[Ps. Seikou-Kishi, I know my 2 longer posts may have strayed from your original intended OP as it has progressed since I last visited this thread. IF you would like me to move this particular post to somewhere more appropriate, just let me know, as it is not my intention to derail your thought provoking thread and discussion you are having with others. Smile.]
Cearna (19th September 2013), Melidae (18th September 2013), Seikou-Kishi (18th September 2013)
Seikou-Kishi you are again correct.
Although now I don't think I can even let her say that with these three posts just above this one..
They are just too full of inteligent contemplation to let her delude herself into thinking it isn't.
With Love
Eelco
Hey wise friends,
shucks........... what can I say other then we may have different definitions to what the word 'intelligence' stands for.
Knowing S-K is a wordsmith and Catsqotl not far behind, and they'll be reading this - after posting I will be grabbing numerous dictionaries on the ready - as I don't think I have ever looked up this word and may have it all wrong in my mind - smile - I am digging myself into bigger holes..... I will immediately stop writing and grab the dictionaries....
If you could see my face right now it would look something like this
Cearna (19th September 2013), Seikou-Kishi (19th September 2013)
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