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    WILL RUSSIA BREAK UP? An In-Depth Explanation.

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    25:42 min.

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    Quote Originally posted by Gio View Post
    Speaking Empire (s) ...

    WILL RUSSIA BREAK UP? An In-Depth Explanation.

    Vlad Vexler




    25:42 min.

    Not exactly a new idea that Russia needs to break up (or be broken up), with the only sticking point being on the how of it; but the why part of that ongoing Western necessity is the part that's so seldom addressed, at least beyond the tried and true "Because Russia Bad!" that's been center stage my entire life going on 58 years now.

    Of course when examined through the filter of objective research the mystery is quickly resolved - It's "Great Power Politics 101" - with the caveat that the British version of this continuing Roman Empire having passed the baton down to their kid brother Uncle Sam, allows zero tolerance for other competing great powers.

    There Can Be Only One


    When viewed through this lens all the "chatter" falls by the wayside: the Pivot To Asia is not a new strategy in diplomacy, it's a strategy of the Rules Based International Order keeping the little yellow Chinaman in his place; but the red boogieman problem also needed to be "cleaned up" along the way, only problem being that mad man Putler chose not to co-operate with the cutesy plan of using Ukraine as a sacrificial pawn to take care of that little side piece of our dirty work.

    I'm happy to hear cable news type versions as to why this is just another ridiculous conspiracy theory. But what I'm really happy to hear back on, is why most of this little branch of alternative media has settled into the mainstream narrative of this.



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    As the latest investigation shows, the Nordstream sabotage was the work of the Ukrainian Special Forces. But of course, they wouldn't have been able to pull that off without some help from the UK and/or the USA.
    Who conducted this latest "investigation"? Interesting that they all seem to point away from not only the ones who were actually bragging about having a motive to blow it in the first place -


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWUuhNd37WI


    But the "tremendous opportunity" the event offered after the fact:

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    As the latest investigation shows, the Nordstream sabotage was the work of the Ukrainian Special Forces. But of course, they wouldn't have been able to pull that off without some help from the UK and/or the USA.
    Who conducted this latest "investigation"? Interesting that they all seem to point away from not only the ones who were actually bragging about having a motive to blow it in the first place -
    Oh, just mainstream journalists. Allegedly — or so the story goes — Ukraine has claimed the operation. But I'm not taking it too seriously, because they could just be claiming it so as to provide plausible deniability to the USA.

    I am very well aware of how the White House wanted Nordstream destroyed, and why they wanted it destroyed. They couldn't afford Germany pussyfooting and continuing to buy gas from Russia, so the pipeline had to be blown up in order to force Germany to make a decision on whether or not to help the West piss off Putin even more with its economic embargoes.

    It's a proxy war either way — there's no denying that — so whoever blew up the pipeline is irrelevant at this point. It was the West that did it, not Russia, and that's what matters to me.
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    It isn't about domination...en toto. It is obvious to any of the global players that we need each other...that has been the extant zeitgeist since the 90's. By default under the banner of the Hegelian Dialectic and projection, the good ones (let's concede we don't know who they or they are) are going to expect the bad ones (same supposition) to do good and conversely the bad ones are going to expect the good ones to do bad. Now what has to be decided is who, what, where, and when is the one, and who, what, where, and when is the other.

    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Oh, just mainstream journalists. Allegedly — or so the story goes — Ukraine has claimed the operation. But I'm not taking it too seriously, because they could just be claiming it so as to provide plausible deniability to the USA.

    I am very well aware of how the White House wanted Nordstream destroyed, and why they wanted it destroyed. They couldn't afford Germany pussyfooting and continuing to buy gas from Russia, so the pipeline had to be blown up in order to force Germany to make a decision on whether or not to help the West piss off Putin even more with its economic embargoes.

    It's a proxy war either way — there's no denying that — so whoever blew up the pipeline is irrelevant at this point. It was the West that did it, not Russia, and that's what matters to me.
    it doesn't matter to me one way or the other...both sides are essentially trying to smash the other...<sigh> Such is life.
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    If Trump wins the next US elections and right now it looks like he could win, then I wonder how it might affect the war. Would he try to make a deal with Putin? We all know Trump isn't a fan of NATO defending Europe so he even might want to pull out from defending Europe. I have no idea of Putin has any sense of respect towards him, maybe he might have. He does seem to have a genuine disdain towards the West. Then again, I don't know if there then would be more possibilities for de-escalation or escalation knowing that Trump is a wild card. Otherwise this war looks to be at standstill. Ukraine keeps sabotaging Russia and eventually Russia might have to have another mobilization of troops. Also Ukraine is constantly relying on US and Europe for ammunition and equipment. Zelensky doesn't want to have peace talks with Russia in Putin's dictatorship. Yet how long can he keep the war going?

    There's already internal discontent brewing in both countries, in Ukraine because Zelensky fired his top general who was popular and also in Russia's dictatorship any opposition most if not all opposition has been squashed, yet mostly everyone besides the crazies are just waiting for the opportunity to see Putin making any severe mistakes which could jeopardize his position. Because people actually rather would have peace.
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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    If Trump wins the next US elections and right now it looks like he could win, then I wonder how it might affect the war. Would he try to make a deal with Putin? We all know Trump isn't a fan of NATO defending Europe so he even might want to pull out from defending Europe. I have no idea of Putin has any sense of respect towards him, maybe he might have. He does seem to have a genuine disdain towards the West. Then again, I don't know if there then would be more possibilities for de-escalation or escalation knowing that Trump is a wild card. Otherwise this war looks to be at standstill. Ukraine keeps sabotaging Russia and eventually Russia might have to have another mobilization of troops. Also Ukraine is constantly relying on US and Europe for ammunition and equipment. Zelensky doesn't want to have peace talks with Russia in Putin's dictatorship. Yet how long can he keep the war going?

    There's already internal discontent brewing in both countries, in Ukraine because Zelensky fired his top general who was popular and also in Russia's dictatorship any opposition most if not all opposition has been squashed, yet mostly everyone besides the crazies are just waiting for the opportunity to see Putin making any severe mistakes which could jeopardize his position. Because people actually rather would have peace.
    lol, very true, people do want peace. But if I was an old white redneck, I would be saying the public just ain't got the bawlz for it. WaitanF'nminit. Check that, they would be saying the Russky's are a bunch of c*nts, they can't even stand up to a sissy transgender comedian that wasn't even that damn funny!
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    A different prospective on Putin's latest narrative ...

    Are we indulging Putin? | Fiona Hill full interview


    Feb 6, 2024

    Fiona Hill discusses how our politicians should relate to Putin, fast becoming one of Russia's longest-standing leaders.

    Fiona Hill CMG (born October 1965) is a British-American foreign affairs specialist and author. She is a former official at the U.S. National Security Council, specializing in Russian and European affairs. She was a witness in the November 2019 House hearings regarding the impeachment inquiry during the first impeachment of Donald Trump. She earned a Ph.D. in history from Harvard University in 1998. She currently serves as a Senior Fellow at the Brookings Institution in Washington. She was installed as Chancellor of Durham University in June 2023 ...

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    So it's been interesting watching US mainstream media work themselves into a tizzy over "the interview", both before it happened, and after. Generally speaking, outside the here and there catcalls of "treason" and "traitor", the focus is on making the viewer feel either dumb, or a "Putin Puppet", if they watch or watched it. You're either dumb just to listen to either the dupe interviewing the vampire himself, or you're already a dupe who's fallen for the vampire's manipulative spell.

    There is no other ground to be on, just like with its kissin cuzzin "either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists".

    But one thing they seem to be shying away from, and good on them for actually recognizing this new energy in the room, is to just let it all hang out and say you shouldn't listen to either of these people. I remember Biden saying that about Putin with "don't ever listen to a word he has to say" - right, smart people only listen to one side of any story...

    That's always a glaring red flag with me, whenever seeing someone say "don't ever listen to what this or that person has to say". You'll never hear a guy like John Mearsheimer, Abby Martin, The Grayzone etc. saying something like that and if they were to, it would be an immediate red flag to the types of audience they have. When your bottom line is "free speech for all, and listen anyone and everyone to gather as much information as possible on any given topic", this would be one of the last thing that would ever leave your lips.

    Well true to form, out trots the cool hippie to do just that at around 5 minutes in. "Ignore Tucker". I thought he was smarter, more sophisticated than that, than to just come right out and blatantly say it. This must really be bothering him to make a rookie mistake like that...
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post

    Well true to form, out trots the cool hippie to do just that at around 5 minutes in. "Ignore Tucker". I thought he was smarter, more sophisticated than that, than to just come right out and blatantly say it. This must really be bothering him to make a rookie mistake like that...
    As for yourself Fred, to continue in allowing Pistol 'triggering' Pete in pushing your buttons ... Just saying.
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    buttons triggers suffering pain etc is releasing, so then rescuing, atm humanity , as known , starts with self, fire away n aho

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    Quote Originally posted by Gio View Post
    As for yourself Fred, to continue in allowing Pistol 'triggering' Pete in pushing your buttons ... Just saying.
    Just passing it along. It almost went into this thread, where I compile ridiculous, obsessive group think propaganda that the US and her vassals churn out on a daily basis, but being that it was about Tucker Carlson in particular, it went here.

    The main reason he's caught my eye is not a trigger, it's the slick way he's managed to rebrand himself as someone outside the mainstream giving inside looks at things, when he's really just another fish in the same barrel as a Rachel Maddow, or a Sean Hannity, disseminating CIA Mockingbird type of daily talking points. He could easily morph himself into fitting right in at any of the big cable news channels, or newspapers, and drop the alternative schtick like a hot potato.

    He got especially sloppy here for the sophisticated image he's interested in projecting, and I thought it pertinent. Sorry to offend that was not the purpose.

    As always, I encourage anyone and everyone to critique any sources I put forth here. I'll for sure take a good long look at it, and if indeed warranted, would drop them like a hot potato if they were pulling the same kind of shit that Peter is.
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    Ian Bremmer on Putin and Tucker | Quick Take

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    What happened when Tucker Carlson met Vladimir Putin? Was it news, propaganda, theatre, or all three? Ian Bremmer breaks down what you need to know now in his latest Quick Take.

    First, I mean, you know, I will admit to having posted a fair bit about the importance of this interview. Of course, in part, it's because I have a history talking about, studying, covering Russia. But also, because this is now entering almost the third year of war when the Russians have invaded Ukraine, it is increasingly not going very well for the Ukrainians and therefore not very well for the United States and its allies. And that means that the timing of this interview is important, especially in the context of a very heated, very divisive US election, when increasingly support for Ukraine is becoming a matter of political difference. And it wasn't six months ago, but it certainly is becoming so very rapidly now.

    Secondly, I have absolutely no problem with the idea of interviewing dictators. I think it's important for people to understand what makes everyone tick - friends, adversaries, everyone around the world. The problem is, of course, that dictators usually don't respect free press. And in Russia in particular, the media is, an independent media shut down, and they're imprisoned. They're sometimes assassinated. And certainly, Putin is not someone that has a history of valuing people that ask him independent minded, tough questions.

    Ian Arthur Bremmer (born November 12, 1969) is an American political scientist, author, and entrepreneur focused on global political risk. He is the founder and president of Eurasia Group, a political risk research and consulting firm. He is also a founder of GZERO Media, a digital media firm... More here
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Just passing it along. It almost went into this thread, where I compile ridiculous, obsessive group think propaganda that the US and her vassals churn out on a daily basis, but being that it was about Tucker Carlson in particular, it went here.

    The main reason he's caught my eye is not a trigger, it's the slick way he's managed to rebrand himself as someone outside the mainstream giving inside looks at things, when he's really just another fish in the same barrel as a Rachel Maddow, or a Sean Hannity, disseminating CIA Mockingbird type of daily talking points. He could easily morph himself into fitting right in at any of the big cable news channels, or newspapers, and drop the alternative schtick like a hot potato.

    He got especially sloppy here for the sophisticated image he's interested in projecting, and I thought it pertinent. Sorry to offend that was not the purpose.

    As always, I encourage anyone and everyone to critique any sources I put forth here. I'll for sure take a good long look at it, and if indeed warranted, would drop them like a hot potato if they were pulling the same kind of shit that Peter is.
    You're misreading Zeihan completely...he does videos to entertain himself, much like we post here on TOT. He enjoys himself but what he says comes from a more Zeihan-light why not part of his presentation. He's completely open to controversy in this venue.
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    Quote Originally posted by Chuckie View Post
    You're misreading Zeihan completely...he does videos to entertain himself, much like we post here on TOT. He enjoys himself but what he says comes from a more Zeihan-light why not part of his presentation. He's completely open to controversy in this venue.
    I agree for the most part, it all stems from what can be referred to as Peter's own construct.
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