January 6 2021 Insurrection

[Aragorn]

I don't believe for a minute that it would have been a sting operation.

Call it what you will, I call it the same as currently trying to defeat your political enemy and his movement by having him thrown in prison for whatever you can possibly hang on him.

No Fred. What you're saying is that Trump should be allowed to get away with what he did simply because the Democrats hate him. That's not justice either.

The man deserves to go to the slammer — he already did from before he was elected, but he certainly does now. Just because the Democrats hate him doesn't mean their indictments of him are unjustified.

To totally discount an operation on 1/6 that was full of fed provocateurs, means ignoring evidence showing fed looking guys in MAGA gear urging the crowd into more violent action

I'd like to see some evidence of that. That sounds like more alt-right propaganda to me.

it also means you have to ignore all footage that shows cops allowing protesters through barriers, opening doors for them, escorting them, arresting them for show then letting them go out of sight, etc.

As explained already — and as proven — some of those cops were sympathizing with the rioters, because cops are people too, and they too have voting rights and political biases. The cops that let the rioters into the building and even guided them around betrayed their oaths to uphold the law and defend the constitution in favor of their personal political biases.

I live in a country that has been occupied by Germany twice during the 20th century, and on both occasions, we too had people here collaborating with the Germans.

• Some did it out of fear for themselves and their families, hoping they'd get a better treatment from the brutal German occupiers — and they did.
• Some did it because they were Flemish and sought to liberate the Flanders from the domination of the francophone elite minority, while German is linguistically closer to Dutch than to French. Most of the activists of the Flemish Movement in the 1940s were active Nazi collaborators.
• Some did it because they were personally ambitious and hoping for a high-profile position within the 4th Reich — the then-king of Belgium, Leopold III, was one such person, and it caused a major schism among the population after the war, with 50% wanting him out and 50% wanting him to stay. That's why in 1953, he abdicated the throne to his then only 21-year-old son Boudewijn — known in the Anglo-Saxon world under the name Baudouin, even though that was not his legal name.

Traitors have always existed. Being a cop is a job, and many of them see it as exactly that. But what they are thinking and feeling is a much more personal thing to them, and if they really believed in Orange Jesus™ as much as the rioters themselves, then it is not unthinkable that some felt that allowing the rioters into the building was needed and warranted. Just as Trump himself did nothing in his power as outgoing president of the United States to turn the tide and stop the rioters.

He even told the security forces to stand down — yes, he did that. Because inside, he was hoping that they would succeed, and that it would have put him back on the throne, even if it meant that his former vice-president would have been dangling from the gallows and that Nancy Pelosi's head would have been carried around at the end of a pike. Because he is that callous, vindictive and cruel. He was hoping for it, but he was smart enough to strategically keep his mouth shut for reasons of plausible deniability when the tide started turning on him.

It also means ignoring how 1/6 could have come as such a surprise to the feds that the event totally caught them with their pants down, with not that much extra preparation. Almost like they wanted something really bad to happen as something to forever pin on the movement. I saw trouble coming, you probably saw it too, hell a lot of people saw it coming! So why didn't the "all seeing eye in the sky" see it coming?

Because they didn't think it would really go down as badly as it did — they underestimated the frenzy — and they were told to stand down.

Well there you go, the wheels of deep state keep on turning regardless of who's sitting in the big chair. The battering ram of Ukraine lays in ruin, antagonizing China, Iran, North Korea, the Middle East - but Trump is the only thing that's really of deep concern. At times Biden does, get an honorable mention. But it's Trump Trump Trump Trump Trump that deserves laser focus at all times.

Vern started this thread, not Riku, not Phil, and not me. Vern wanted to champion the alt-right again. Because Vern is addicted to this stuff. He cannot get by without his fix of alt-right nonsense.

If you want to talk about Ukraine or Palestine, be my guest — we've already got ongoing threads about that. But this thread was/is specifically about the alt-right insurrection in the USA on the 6th of January 2021.

Any opinions are welcome, especially those debunking the alt right nonsense which like a toxic fume has taken over a good portion of internet. At least it certainly has taken over the "alternative community" like a mind virus.

There again. We don't care about all about the current neoliberal war propaganda, we don't care that their propaganda tells us that Russia China North Korea and Iran are the source of all sin in this world. Nope, that's not toxic, only the alt right propaganda that's not even in power right now is toxic.

Complete and utter bullshit. You know just as well as I do that we counter left-wing propaganda — or at least, what passes for "left-wing" in the USA — just the same. Ask Chuckie how many times I've already slapped him upside the head, and even banned him from threads. And it's all equally visible. But strangely enough, then there's not a single peep from you whenever I do that. I wonder why.

But here's the thing. Statistically, Vern is a much greater offender than Chuckie when it comes to that kind of shit, because Chuckie only does it every once in a while, while Vern does it every single fucking day. And he has as such also been warned many more times than we've ever had to warn Chuckie. And yet he's still doing it.

So, should I go all Billzebub™ here and kick Vern out, knowing full well that deep down inside he's actually the gentlest person you will ever come across? No, I didn't think so either. As a human being, we all love Vern. He's been here so long by now that he's part of the family — a stubborn and hard-learning pighead of a family member, but a brother nevertheless. And that is why we're pouring so much energy — probably against all better judgment, but nevertheless — into trying to get him to understand the error of his ways and educating him on the truth of what his heroes are really like.

Vern may be seriously misguided, but there isn't as little as a shred of evil within him. Unlike in the case of turiya, Steven, Christopher or even bsbray.

[Fred Steeves]

Complete and utter bullshit. You know just as well as I do that we counter left-wing propaganda — or at least, what passes for "left-wing" in the USA — just the same. Ask Chuckie how many times I've already slapped him upside the head, and even banned him from threads. And it's all equally visible. But strangely enough, then there's not a single peep from you whenever I do that. I wonder why.

Well man, I think the above line about sums it up. Of course for starters, as Phil pointed out, yet another closet right/alt right winger has been exposed. Nicely done.

And for some reason, the shit Chuckie spews is just thoroughly annoying and trolling, while the shit Vern spews is toxic and highly contagious. No dangers like Trump in recent memory, while the US feds are never known to agent provocateur for their own ends. Alt Right conspiracy theory any and all of it.

[Aianawa]

Vern started thread asking a ?, to Chuckstirr., the reply was that now peoples have corrupted tapes etc with adage of footage etc.

those on the alt rite are apparently so so sneaky.

ffs now some trump haters are saying vote trump, as better a revolution than newclear wwwasteland

[Emil El Zapato]

Well man, I think the above line about sums it up. Of course for starters, as Phil pointed out, yet another closet right/alt right winger has been exposed. Nicely done.

And for some reason, the shit Chuckie spews is just thoroughly annoying and trolling, while the shit Vern spews is toxic and highly contagious. No dangers like Trump in recent memory, while the US feds are never known to agent provocateur for their own ends. Alt Right conspiracy theory any and all of it.

The difference is that what I post is accurate and based on what is cognitively within reach if one reaches ...I despise propaganda and anything perceived as such is a misperception on the beholder. I do have theories but they are my own not some emptyheaded jackass on the web.

Vern started thread asking a ?, to Chuckstirr., the reply was that now peoples have corrupted tapes etc with adage of footage etc.

those on the alt rite are apparently so so sneaky.

ffs now some trump haters are saying vote trump, as better a revolution than newclear wwwasteland

they are very very very very sneaky, Aianawa. I have at times thought it was beyond normal human capacity.

[Aragorn]

Any opinions are welcome, especially those debunking the alt right nonsense which like a toxic fume has taken over a good portion of internet. At least it certainly has taken over the "alternative community" like a mind virus.

There again. We don't care about all about the current neoliberal war propaganda, we don't care that their propaganda tells us that Russia China North Korea and Iran are the source of all sin in this world. Nope, that's not toxic, only the alt right propaganda that's not even in power right now is toxic.

Complete and utter bullshit. You know just as well as I do that we counter left-wing propaganda — or at least, what passes for "left-wing" in the USA — just the same. Ask Chuckie how many times I've already slapped him upside the head, and even banned him from threads. And it's all equally visible. But strangely enough, then there's not a single peep from you whenever I do that. I wonder why.

Well man, I think the above line about sums it up. Of course for starters, as Phil pointed out, yet another closet right/alt right winger has been exposed. Nicely done.

At this point, I am actually willing to believe that, yes. You are starting to sound more and more like a right-winger, and you don't even seem to be aware of it.

By your own admission, you do come from a far-right background, and in the spirit of today's crises — both US-nationally and internationally — you are looking at the current (and officially/supposedly left-wing) US administration, and your frustration with their agenda kicks you right back into your past right-wing programming.

Why do you think there is such a far-right uprising all over the western world these days? We're seeing it here in Europe as well. Do you think the people who vote for such far-right parties were all born that way? No, they weren't, and as the matter of fact, most of those voters all come from the working class, and therefore, for most part from the left-wing. But they are frustrated with their former own parties, and the far-right has played into that — and still plays into that — with clever rhetoric and propaganda.

Or otherwise put, the far-right hijacks people's anger and frustrations and channels those into a rally for the far-right agenda. That's how Mussolini and Hitler rose to power, and how Trump rose to power in 2016 — well, I still maintain that it's just simply Mussolini all over again, but that's not important right now.

And that's the problem with being a dedicated contrarian such as yourself, Fred. The only difference between the two-siderists and yourself is that you're always on the other side of what the two-siderists propagate. But you're just as addicted to choosing a side as they are. It just so happens to be the opposite side. And just like the alt-right, you see conspiracies and ulterior agendas everywhere. You even still believe that Billzebub™ was involved with a US-government-orchestrated misinformation campaign regarding the Serpo thing. As if the government spooks don't already know that idiots are perfectly capable of deluding themselves without any government interference. And whistleblowers of any kind won't be contacting a bunch of amateur nobodies like Billzebub™ and Kerry "you know" Cassidy.

But anyway, the opposite to the popular side of the coin is itself also still one of the two sides of that very same coin. And as a devoted contrarian, you choose to be on the opposite side of the ones who aggravate you the most at this point in time — being the Biden administration, even though Biden isn't doing anything that the neocons weren't already doing for ages before him — and thus you assume the alt-right conspiracy theorist vantage. You just don't realize it, because in your own mind you're only raging against the machine.

And for some reason, the shit Chuckie spews is just thoroughly annoying and trolling, while the shit Vern spews is toxic and highly contagious. No dangers like Trump in recent memory, while the US feds are never known to agent provocateur for their own ends. Alt Right conspiracy theory any and all of it.

Conspiracy theories are generally not a left-wing trope. And neither is incitement for hatred or violence. Left-wingers generally also don't opportunistically hijack any and all discussions at any and all internet venues — I'm not just talking of our little Shire, because I'm seeing it happen everywhere on the internet, including only a few days ago at the Manjaro forum — in order to steer them onto the (American, of course) political two-siderism and onto libelous, slanderous and/or mocking memes about either left-wingers or politically neutral people. They are fanatics, and they are driven by hatred and knee-jerks.

Furthermore, what you call neo-liberal war propaganda isn't even neo-liberal, simply because...

• There is no such thing as a neo-liberal. The term neo-liberal is a right-wing trope.

• George W. Bush and Donald Trump are from the far-right, and both were warmongers. Bush Jr. started two separate wars during his first term, and Trump was eager to go to war with China over the false claim that SARS-CoV-2 was created and released on purpose from a Chinese laboratory, notwithstanding several reports from his own intelligence people that this was not true and that there was absolutely no evidence of such.

As I have already posted ad nauseam — but I'll post it once more below, because I've got that saved on my computer as a preformatted template as well — the USA is a closeted de facto fascist country, and for the following reasons...

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Source: ratical.org

	The 14 Characteristics of Fascism by Lawrence Britt Free Inquiry Magazine, 2003

Political scientist Dr. Lawrence Britt recently wrote an article about fascism ("Fascism Anyone?," Free Inquiry, Spring 2003, page 20). Studying the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile), Dr. Britt found they all had 14 elements in common. He calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The excerpt is in accordance with the magazine's policy.

The 14 characteristics are:

01. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism

Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

02. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

03. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists; terrorists; etc.

04. Supremacy of the Military

Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

05. Rampant Sexism

The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

06. Controlled Mass Media

Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

07. Obsession with National Security

Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

08. Religion and Government are Intertwined

Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

09. Corporate Power is Protected

The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed

Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment

Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections

Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Copyright © 2003 Free Inquiry magazine
Reprinted for Fair Use Only.

Source: ratical.org

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But you're right, it's all a conspiracy. As the matter of fact, I strongly suspect that Fred Steeves doesn't even exist, and that in reality, you are Project Avalon moderator Gracy May, who has gone transgender in order to infiltrate our forum and even our mod room in order to turn out little Shire into a far-right forum, which could then be annexed by the Bwana from Ghana™.

Of course, Malc, Riku and myself would first have to be assassinated, but that's a job for Stephen Hodges — the Bwana from Ghana™ cannot afford to get his own hands dirty with our blood, and neither can you, Gracy, because after it'll all be over you will of course be welcomed back at Project Avalon with open arms, and immediately reinstated as a Moderator & Guide, the brave retired heroine-teacher who infiltrated the enemy camp and overthrew those pesky Libtards™ of The One Truth. And their member donations will of course pay for your second gender appearance overhaul, which then turns you back into Gracy.

And of course, Chuckie must be eliminated too, because he's an undercover Mossad agent without that he knows it. And the Sidinugget will be shot at dawn, because he's a Palestinian communist insurgent and a nephew of Vladimir Putin.

Aianawa will be disposed of silently, because he has served his purpose as a propagandist, he has failed to overthrow us, and he will no longer be of use in the new and unified Project MAGAlon™. His remains will be found somewhere in a field in New Zealand, and they will convincingly make it look just as if he had been assaulted by a wild sheep that had contracted rabies from having stepped onto a carelessly discarded Covid-19 vaccine syringe.

Oh yes, it's all a conspiracy, I tell ya! But if you vote for Donald Trump, everything will be fine, because he is after all the promised Messiah, who descended from the heavens on an orange cloud, sent from the Pleiades system by the Galactic Federation to take back our freedoms from those dirty communists Joe Odep and Kam Kam! Rauh rauh!

No, seriously, you win, and I am wrong. I have always been wrong. I am a lousy administrator, and I censor people and take away their god-given right to freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is sacred and must not be touched under any circumstances, no matter how crazy it makes the uninformed masses and no matter how many school children must be gunned down by radicalized people. Hell, with a bit of imagination, that feces on the walls of Congress could even be regarded as an artistic work of patriotic expression. And Mike Pence's remains, dangling from that rope, could serve as an indicator from where the wind comes, just in case there might be another hurricane that refuses to hit land exactly where Orange Jesus™ ordered it to.

I yield to your wisdom, Fred, and I will leave this thread to you and our beloved dyslexic Kiwi. Because gawd knows this forum really needed yet another right-wing propaganda thread. The stage is all yours, and I'll just go and sit over there in the naughty corner, just in case you need me to ban a neo-liberal from the thread and curtail their free speech.

[donk]

Well man, I think the above line about sums it up. Of course for starters, as Phil pointed out, yet another closet right/alt right winger has been exposed. Nicely done.

And for some reason, the shit Chuckie spews is just thoroughly annoying and trolling, while the shit Vern spews is toxic and highly contagious. No dangers like Trump in recent memory, while the US feds are never known to agent provocateur for their own ends. Alt Right conspiracy theory any and all of it.

I never said “closet”. You said you were voting for Trump in a Verne insurrection-denial thread. Pretty mask-off, to me.

Remember when the Speaker of the House gave all the video to Tucker fucking Carlson? It’s amazing how that didn’t clear everything up

[Aianawa]

so so many words and too many, lies, warmonger trump, really, narrative reality ?.

But anyway back to j6, my gosh it be deplorable whats coming out, are you seeing this, officialllly no tampering, and the cherry picking, ffs, yip consciousness may need upgrade dear members who were hoodwinked imo.

i will not saturate this thread with the massive amount so far, of straight out easy to follow manipulations etc, yes Fred i hope you get an apoligy as this is now so so obvious.

[Aragorn]

so so many words and too many, lies, warmonger trump, really, narrative reality ?.

But anyway back to j6, my gosh it be deplorable whats coming out, are you seeing this, officialllly no tampering, and the cherry picking, ffs, yip consciousness may need upgrade dear members who were hoodwinked imo.

There are none so blind as those who will not see, and none so deaf as those who will not hear. You are getting glasses and a hearing aid from Santa this year. Not that it will help, but anyway.

i will not saturate this thread with the massive amount so far, of straight out easy to follow manipulations etc,

You are the one being manipulated, with your own full consent, and with every single post, you are proving me right about your selective blindness and your obsession with the far-right.

yes Fred i hope you get an apoligy as this is now so so obvious.

I give up. There really, truly, genuinely and sincerely is no hope for you whatsoever. None, zilch, nada, rien du tout.

Considering that you're allergic to the facts and immune to the truth, I am now going to move this thread into the Mis-/Disinformation category. Because from now on, with myself and presumably other non-alt-right-fanboys backing out of the thread, mis- and disinformation is all that's still going to be posted here, ad nauseam again, with no one but yourself actually looking at the thread. And maybe Fred, for a couple more posts' worth, and possibly the expected "stick it to the man" response over how I am such a bully, a tyrant, and the archenemy of that sacred freedom of speech he likes appealing unto.

I'm sorry Vern, but I just cannot take you seriously anymore. As I've told you so many times already, you live in La-la Land, and even though I don't give a shit about your fantasies, sadly enough, you post your alt-right fantasy threads at a forum in the real world, and I happen to be the guy in charge of and responsible for this forum — a forum that has now pretty much lost just about every last chance of rising back up from the graveyard, thanks to you and your compulsion toward alt-right lies and propaganda. I will also from here on also officially recommend to Malc that we do not migrate to the new platform, because that would be the greatest waste of his money, and he's got a wife and five kids to feed. If the forum's going to die, then it might as well do so without that great expense and administrative trouble.

When it comes to filling up this forum with junk, Ria was bad, very bad even. And I know that all too well, because I was the one who single-handily had to clean up that mess after she and her Ruiner groupies left for greener pastures. But even Ria would eventually turn around and open her eyes once the truth was presented to her. You on the other hand are not even capable of that. And on top of that, Ria had by far not been around here for as long as you have by now, so from here on, I will officially crown you as The One Truth's undisputed King of Disinformation and Propaganda.

As I said, I am leaving this thread, and I sincerely hope it will decompose into fertilizer soon. Please don't reply to me or quote me, because I will have nothing more to do with your alt-right obsessions, and I am mentally going to ignore you from here on unless somebody flags one of your posts.

I'm sorry that it had to come to this — I really am. I'm no callous Billzebub™ who bans people at will and then lies about why he banned them — as I told Fred, if I were anything like him, then I would have kicked you out a long time ago already. And maybe I should indeed have done that, for the sake of this forum. But that's all water under the bridge now. The forum is pretty much kaput, thanks to you and your gazillion misinformation/propaganda threads.

Congratulations, Vern. You've made Bill Ryan's dream come true, and you did it all by yourself. Kudos! I hope you're feeling very proud now. Then at least one of us is.



P.S.: Fred, please don't reply to me either, thank you. This thread is now all Vern's and I will have nothing more to do with it.

[Fred Steeves]

This is so sad. For me anyway.

So anyway I'll keep this short.

Conspiracy theories are generally not a left-wing trope.

Of course. Like it was Trump and his co-conspirators insisting that "Vlad the Impaler" blew up his own pipeline in some vain attempt to intimidate the West. As his successor was busy sacrificing Ukraine upon the altar of trying to destroy enemy #1 in order to remain dominant on the world stage.

Furthermore, what you call neo-liberal war propaganda isn't even neo-liberal, simply because...


There is no such thing as a neo-liberal. The term neo-liberal is a right-wing trope.

Again, of course that's just a right wing trope. Everything you don't like is a right wing trope. But then, why doesn't Wikipedia, the serious researcher's best friend, point out that obvious fact immediately? Because they mention nothing of the sort.

Neoliberal is every bit as real as neoconservative.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

I never said “closet”. You said you were voting for Trump in a Verne insurrection-denial thread. Pretty mask-off, to me.

And you. Pretty quick to pile on in this ridiculous right wing witch hunt against a friend of 10 years who brought you into the survivor's Skype chat when you as well were crashing and burning at PA? Whatever you think you've unmasked, you don't know shit because you don't ask...

And when you ask, you don't listen...

[Emil El Zapato]

There are none so blind as those who will not see, and none so deaf as those who will not hear. You are getting glasses and a hearing aid from Santa this year. Not that it will help, but anyway.



You are the one being manipulated, with your own full consent, and with every single post, you are proving me right about your selective blindness and your obsession with the far-right.



I give up. There really, truly, genuinely and sincerely is no hope for you whatsoever. None, zilch, nada, rien du tout.

Considering that you're allergic to the facts and immune to the truth, I am now going to move this thread into the Mis-/Disinformation category. Because from now on, with myself and presumably other non-alt-right-fanboys backing out of the thread, mis- and disinformation is all that's still going to be posted here, ad nauseam again, with no one but yourself actually looking at the thread. And maybe Fred, for a couple more posts' worth, and possibly the expected "stick it to the man" response over how I am such a bully, a tyrant, and the archenemy of that sacred freedom of speech he likes appealing unto.

I'm sorry Vern, but I just cannot take you seriously anymore. As I've told you so many times already, you live in La-la Land, and even though I don't give a shit about your fantasies, sadly enough, you post your alt-right fantasy threads at a forum in the real world, and I happen to be the guy in charge of and responsible for this forum — a forum that has now pretty much lost just about every last chance of rising back up from the graveyard, thanks to you and your compulsion toward alt-right lies and propaganda. I will also from here on also officially recommend to Malc that we do not migrate to the new platform, because that would be the greatest waste of his money, and he's got a wife and five kids to feed. If the forum's going to die, then it might as well do so without that great expense and administrative trouble.

When it comes to filling up this forum with junk, Ria was bad, very bad even. And I know that all too well, because I was the one who single-handily had to clean up that mess after she and her Ruiner groupies left for greener pastures. But even Ria would eventually turn around and open her eyes once the truth was presented to her. You on the other hand are not even capable of that. And on top of that, Ria had by far not been around here for as long as you have by now, so from here on, I will officially crown you as The One Truth's undisputed King of Disinformation and Propaganda.

As I said, I am leaving this thread, and I sincerely hope it will decompose into fertilizer soon. Please don't reply to me or quote me, because I will have nothing more to do with your alt-right obsessions, and I am mentally going to ignore you from here on unless somebody flags one of your posts.

I'm sorry that it had to come to this — I really am. I'm no callous Billzebub™ who bans people at will and then lies about why he banned them — as I told Fred, if I were anything like him, then I would have kicked you out a long time ago already. And maybe I should indeed have done that, for the sake of this forum. But that's all water under the bridge now. The forum is pretty much kaput, thanks to you and your gazillion misinformation/propaganda threads.

Congratulations, Vern. You've made Bill Ryan's dream come true, and you did it all by yourself. Kudos! I hope you're feeling very proud now. Then at least one of us is.



P.S.: Fred, please don't reply to me either, thank you. This thread is now all Vern's and I will have nothing more to do with it.

Aragorn, if you ever need someone to fill in the position of 'greeter' for this forum, I volunteer...It's a skill I have that I have had very little opportunity to display...

Neoliberal is every bit as real as neoconservative.

Although laissez-faire has been commonly associated with capitalism, there is a similar economic theory associated with socialism called left-wing or socialist laissez-faire, also known as free-market anarchism, free-market anti-capitalism and free-market socialism to distinguish it from laissez-faire capitalism.

[Wind]

[Aianawa]

Oh dear of dear, best movie ever.

Aragorn you are now looking cartoonish, are you watching incoming data from both sides of dataland ?.

[Fred Steeves]

So anyway, here's the bottom line, and then I may as well just go away because there's obviously nothing left for me here.

I literally don't know where to go to find a legitimate, mature conversation about things any more, and came back one more time for one last bush rattle, to see if that was even a possibility here any more.

I've got my answer, there may as well be a "Do Not Disturb" sign hanging on the doorknob. Okay, got it, it's mostly about daytime tv kind of stuff any more. But the bizarre thing is that is that it had to keep contorting into weirdness like sticking it to the man, I'm just ripping off the mask to reveal my loyalty to Captain Chaos and the right wing that was always there all along, and time to just be honest and stand with Vern in right wing loony land.

Whatever...

There was still a time just before libs started morphing into shitlibs, when the ACLU would defend anyone, including a KKK member, because all people deserve a defense. The last time I remember them being true to the cause no matter who, was back in 2004 when they defended Mr. Right Wing himself Rush Limbaugh. They explain what they always (used to) explain: Everyone deserves a defense, even the guy who's made a living out of trashing people like us.

A certain segment of society would always hiss at this, saying ridiculous crap like if you defend them then you are one of them, but fortunately there were those who knew better. They saw the bigger picture.



Then I think of the first anti war rally here recently in the States since I was a much younger man, but some anti war Lefty organizations like "Code Pink" refused to attend, because GASP! - there were some right wingers there protesting the war as well, can't have that shit! "We don't mix with thoooooose, kind of people"...

So now not even a war can be stopped, if that means working with a right winger like Marjorie Taylor Green to maybe make it happen. Get pictured with her and you're reputation is done for!

There's a famous "right winger" from the 1800's, a self educated freed slave named Frederick Douglas, remember him? He coined a famous saying: “I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong.”

Well that shit don't fly no more, we're divided, and we stay divided even if it means the damn war rages on you got that pal?

"See that group over there? Those a bad people, and if you're stupid enough to hook up with them for a cause, or defend them on anything, then you're just like them and we turn our backs on you!"

This is precisely what the term "shitlib" is for now, to separate that mindset from the vast minority that are actually on the Left. (I know I know, "shitlib" is actually a right wing trope chuckle chuckle. Everything we don't like is right wing.)



So anyway, getting termed a right winger for being in company with the likes of Frederick Douglas, the old ACLU, or pointing out that neoliberals are every bit as responsible as neoconservatives for spreading death and mayhem about, I'm good with that - I'm just in the wrong company if that's the way the cookie's crumbling.

Maybe I'll find that conversation, maybe it'll find me, or maybe that's getting to be a thing of the past and it's just time to take what I've learned and head back to the proverbial mountains with it. But Universe is definitely clamoring for a change.

Those were the days my friends

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fILx3zMHaY

[Aianawa]

Hope it is not too late because being in that soon 2b 4 to 6% would be horrible.

[Emil El Zapato]

Hope it is not too late because being in that soon 2b 4 to 6% would be horrible.

Which 4 to 6% Aianawa?