Israel 4 Last

[Fred Steeves]

“Put my money where my mouth is”… though you knew me better than that.

That saying is not a declaration of war, nor a slur or an insult Phil; It's "back up what you're saying with some shred of evidence", which you are evidently either unwilling, or unable to do.

I don't post things that I can't back up, for the precise reason that I more than encourage anyone to challenge anything I say here, and I can back it up if/when that challenge is issued. It wouldn't at all be offensive to me, actually that's why I've always encouraged it because it's always possible I've either got something wrong, or someone has a better take on it, or stronger evidence, than me. And I want to get it right!

Now there's things that I think, like I strongly suspect Peter Zeihan is either a spook or spook affiliated, but I would never tell Gio "Zeihan is a spook". It would be "I have reasons to suspect Zeihan is a spook because of his deep state type of affiliations, and the constant mantra of "everything concerning the US is good - Everything concerning any country the US doesn't like or approve of, bad. But I can't prove it".

I disagree with some of Gio’s feelings here, we are not “peas in pods”—on this scenario, at least.

Sigh, I'll just repeat myself:

Unless you're just gonna be two peas in a pod with Gio who considers a witty argument to be hacking up what the person said, take it wildly out of context, and then beat up the self created straw man.

Your bragging about your research skills while shitting on everyone else’s is just fucking weird man. Sad. Congrats, you a better “researcher”

That's actually not it at all. My research "skills" are no better than anyone else's, same with intelligence level- however, what I'm pointing out is that I do my due diligence, I spend a LOT of time turning over stones all over the fucking place, and challenging what I think I know, in trying to ascertain some semblance of what's really going on out there.

And I don't see much, if any of that effort, being employed coming back the other way. I see a lot of "I've always thought this, I still think this, and I'll always think this because it's true. No need to verify".

It's not that I'm offended that you guys think I'm right wing, it just perplexes me that you actually do think this. I mean hell man, y'all can think I'm made of moon beams and fairy dust for all I care; but this is (supposedly) a research type forum, so when just about everything I think and say comes from a left wing (not democrat!) point of view, and the feedback I get is that I'm blatant right wing, it just makes me wonder what else you've gotten so wrong from either shitty observation skills, or no observation skills.

Trump Derangement Syndrome runs deep here, just as Trump Agreement Syndrome runs deep at another similar venue. Over there I was labeled what they consider left (which is democrat) for daring to encourage some honest questioning about their super hero - while here on the flip side, I've gotten labeled right wing for daring suggest things like, maybe there's more going on with Jan. 6 that a one man show. OMG! Is it possible that the opponents of Orange Jesus also, have selfish and nefarious intentions?...

Maybe they're both bad?



So speaking of which, I'm done going back and forth with you. Unlike you, Phil, I went back to my Jan. 6 thread and carefully re-read the whole thing. It's not that long. And while I was scanning for what you consider "standard right wing talking points", I was starkly reminded of just why I'm wasting my time on this. You're just going to keep peppering me with silly questions, questioning my motives, not actually comprehending a single fucking thing I'm saying, moving the goal posts, and resorting to cheap insults (like Gio) rather than have a fruitful exchange.

I had forgotten that I called you out there too for this same kind of bullshit, and you disappeared...
https://jandeane81.com/showthread.ph...#post842050666

[donk]

I was preoccupied last night, but wanted to get those thoughts down. I had forgotten to insert the quote and comment about how I think it’s weird anyone who watched it can say anything about it was illegitimate, it was just surface level stuff…

but if gave a clear enough picture that I believe even those dumb enough to think it unfolded differently in real time…well, imo you’re maliciously willfully ignorant if the Tv production and other info came out up to the point of where speaker of the house McCarthy did his American duty of giving all the 50k+ hours of to objective researcher (maybe as good as you) the great Tucker Carlson

Can you tell wtf that means? Was that supposed to mean? Why McCarthy was the “only one that had it” at that point? How did he have the authority to give it to Tucky? And what exactly was the purpose, how did that action bring clarity to “mysterious” and “debatable” of events of J6?

Anyway…I strayed off topic cuz you really barely ever talk about topics, you just cry about how you are being perceived and how right you are and wrong and stupid the sources of everyone else’s info is

[Fred Steeves]

See? There it is yet again. When one doesn't have substantive ground to stand on, building up a straw man argument of the other person and then burning THAT down in effigy, is one of the few frail options left to them.

Note: This is the last time I address your straw men and moving goalposts, just wanted it pointed out one last time. Come back with a reasonable position and I'll be happy to address it.

If and/or until then:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf65tqU6bxI

[Gio]

The latest ...

Nations halt funding for UN relief group
over alleged Hamas involvement

Fox News

Jan 27, 2024
Former counterterrorism analyst Jonathan Schanzer joins ‘Fox & Friends Weekend’ to discuss the latest reports that the UNRWA allegedly was involved in Hamas’ October 7 attack.

4:06 min.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlnbylDclb4

My thoughts: Move the UN to Saudia Arabia.

[Fred Steeves]

The latest ...

Nations halt funding for UN relief group
over alleged Hamas involvement

Fox News



4:06 min.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlnbylDclb4

This guest is a shill for Israel, and anti Palestinian. Typical of FOX NEWS:
https://schanzer.pundicity.com/about

He's a creature of DC neocon think tanks, among them this gem. No wonder he's running cover for the mindless Israeli genocide.

"Contemporary Conservative Thought" indeed:
https://www.jewishpolicycenter.org/

And the think tank he currently works for (Foundation for Defense of Democracies), annual trips to America's unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Middle East - Israel - to share trade secrets on "national security". Ahum...
https://militarytriptoisrael.org/

[Gio]

Just because he says so, doesn't mean it's not true.

I say we make you the official fact checker/not ...

Fred.

[Fred Steeves]

Just because he says so, doesn't mean it's not true.

Fair enough.

For the record I was mostly just demonstrating who this guy is, what type of DC based neocon think tanks he's associated with - essentially what they all stand for. FOX NEWS type fodder.

So far as the allegations go? We shall see. Israel has themselves thus far demonstrated they will go to any and all lengths to legitimize their "endeavors", including ridiculous on its face propaganda; but who knows, maybe this latest allegation is indeed correct. We shall see.

[donk]

Poor Fred,

Getting emotionally triggered when someone else post as if they know what is right and you (presumably) must be stupid to think the way you do ... Just you against the world.

I can’t thank this one again, so I’m reposting

I have been dealing with my dad, who I guess I learned from “nothing is more important than being right!”

Fred, I broke that habit in my mid-30’s…best relief I ever had was to come at every at issue/fact/argument with possibility (probability) of being WRONG.

Life is much better when you are pleasantly surprised by being right, than needing to fight everyone you KNOW is wrong

[Fred Steeves]

Medea Benjamin. A voice such as hers (and precious few others) so needed in these times:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg_EALZk3zw

[donk]

That saying is not a declaration of war, nor a slur or an insult Phil; It's "back up what you're saying with some shred of evidence", which you are evidently either unwilling, or unable to do.

I don't post things that I can't back up, for the precise reason that I more than encourage anyone to challenge anything I say here, and I can back it up if/when that challenge is issued. It wouldn't at all be offensive to me, actually that's why I've always encouraged it because it's always possible I've either got something wrong, or someone has a better take on it, or stronger evidence, than me. And I want to get it right!

Now there's things that I think, like I strongly suspect Peter Zeihan is either a spook or spook affiliated, but I would never tell Gio "Zeihan is a spook". It would be "I have reasons to suspect Zeihan is a spook because of his deep state type of affiliations, and the constant mantra of "everything concerning the US is good - Everything concerning any country the US doesn't like or approve of, bad. But I can't prove it".



Sigh, I'll just repeat myself:





That's actually not it at all. My research "skills" are no better than anyone else's, same with intelligence level- however, what I'm pointing out is that I do my due diligence, I spend a LOT of time turning over stones all over the fucking place, and challenging what I think I know, in trying to ascertain some semblance of what's really going on out there.

And I don't see much, if any of that effort, being employed coming back the other way. I see a lot of "I've always thought this, I still think this, and I'll always think this because it's true. No need to verify".

It's not that I'm offended that you guys think I'm right wing, it just perplexes me that you actually do think this. I mean hell man, y'all can think I'm made of moon beams and fairy dust for all I care; but this is (supposedly) a research type forum, so when just about everything I think and say comes from a left wing (not democrat!) point of view, and the feedback I get is that I'm blatant right wing, it just makes me wonder what else you've gotten so wrong from either shitty observation skills, or no observation skills.

Trump Derangement Syndrome runs deep here, just as Trump Agreement Syndrome runs deep at another similar venue. Over there I was labeled what they consider left (which is democrat) for daring to encourage some honest questioning about their super hero - while here on the flip side, I've gotten labeled right wing for daring suggest things like, maybe there's more going on with Jan. 6 that a one man show. OMG! Is it possible that the opponents of Orange Jesus also, have selfish and nefarious intentions?...

Maybe they're both bad?



So speaking of which, I'm done going back and forth with you. Unlike you, Phil, I went back to my Jan. 6 thread and carefully re-read the whole thing. It's not that long. And while I was scanning for what you consider "standard right wing talking points", I was starkly reminded of just why I'm wasting my time on this. You're just going to keep peppering me with silly questions, questioning my motives, not actually comprehending a single fucking thing I'm saying, moving the goal posts, and resorting to cheap insults (like Gio) rather than have a fruitful exchange.

I had forgotten that I called you out there too for this same kind of bullshit, and you disappeared...
https://jandeane81.com/showthread.ph...#post842050666

I did not read this one before my post below it, I totally missed this response and was shocked to see my own under it

I’m just curious about the “peppering of questions”…which do you find annoying, and what are your answers

The only other thing I am curious about, is which ideas are going on beyond my stupid lying eyes…please answer in J6 thread


Cuz I’m really interested in your position on Zionism. Are you one of those “doesn’t Israel have a right to exist???” guys? That’s what this thread is about.

I’m not looking at any videos people post in this thread, that aren’t some kind news report, I don’t care about any YouTuber’s “take”. But I do want to know yours

[Emil El Zapato]

Fair enough.

For the record I was mostly just demonstrating who this guy is, what type of DC based neocon think tanks he's associated with - essentially what they all stand for. FOX NEWS type fodder.

So far as the allegations go? We shall see. Israel has themselves thus far demonstrated they will go to any and all lengths to legitimize their "endeavors", including ridiculous on its face propaganda; but who knows, maybe this latest allegation is indeed correct. We shall see.

It appears to be true, but everyone (western countries) is hyper-sensitive right now about 'appearances'. It is a huge balancing act to support Israel as a crucial link in the chain of global security despite their inherent nastiness (just interested in genocide, not global conquest) and the need to support the rights of Palestinians which is a concern but not the primary one. It will turn around quickly because the logic behind the move is senseless.

I think the United Nations should take Israel away and find another solution by starting over.

[Fred Steeves]

I’m just curious about the “peppering of questions”…which do you find annoying, and what are your answers

There's a pattern to it that suddenly dawned on me while re-reading the Jan. 6 thread yesterday, that directly correlates to this thread. A flurry of questions, I address them. My answers sail straight into a big black hole, because 1) you've already assumed what those answers are going to be, and 2) you're already formulating the next flurry of questions, which will also sail straight into that black hole in lieu of the next round of questions.

If you're going to ask someone questions, please at least pause and listen to the answers, and reflect.

The only other thing I am curious about, is which ideas are going on beyond my stupid lying eyes…please answer in J6 thread

It's all laid out in that thread, go back and read it again. In no such fashion is it about excusing Capt. Chaos. That should be clear from the opening paragraphs. I'm only pointing out there are other relevant factors pertaining to that event, more than meets the eye of the casual observer, than the hyperbolic focus on just one man and his little band of circus clowns.

But if the concept that it's bigger than that is too triggering, if it all has to be about just this narrow partisan focus, and his political enemies were necessarily standing up for "truth justice and the American way", then we have nothing further to discuss and don't bother.

Unless, you truly want to make a case that the dems really were out for nothing but altruistic reasons, and to humbly serve the American people to the best of their ability with no ulterior motives, we can discuss further in that backdrop. It's up to you.
https://jandeane81.com/showthread.ph...Of-January-6th

Cuz I’m really interested in your position on Zionism. Are you one of those “doesn’t Israel have a right to exist???” guys? That’s what this thread is about.

The only reason you're asking that question, again, is because as I've pointed out you're not listening, or noticing. Phil, nothing seems to get past your assumptions.

I’m not looking at any videos people post in this thread, that aren’t some kind news report, I don’t care about any YouTuber’s “take”. But I do want to know yours

The video I posted is not of some YouTuber's "take". The guest being interviewed is a life long civil rights/anti war activist, Medea Benjamin. She's the co-founder of "Code Pink". You haven't heard of her traveling in those lefty circles?

This is one of her greatest hits, it would be an honor to meet her one day. A hero of mine, and people don't easily make that short list:

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peJGmeg6ZE8

[Aianawa]

the next week is gonna b a heck of a movie, the brink is now in the crosshair-s, enjoy

[donk]

There's a pattern to it that suddenly dawned on me while re-reading the Jan. 6 thread yesterday, that directly correlates to this thread. A flurry of questions, I address them. My answers sail straight into a big black hole, because 1) you've already assumed what those answers are going to be, and 2) you're already formulating the next flurry of questions, which will also sail straight into that black hole in lieu of the next round of questions.

If you're going to ask someone questions, please at least pause and listen to the answers, and reflect.

You are right, sorry...answered you over there.

As to Israel, I peeked at your vid...can't take it. I am also not that into the granular...and even broad macro- geopolitics of this issue--just like with J6.

...I am just sick of my country remaining allies with Israel and my tax dollars directly supporting their genocide. (like they are going to pay salaries of insurrectionists in Congress).

[Aragorn]

Israel has just committed another war crime, captured on CCTV. I haven't seen any English-language reports on it yet so far, and the Begian public news media have also not reported it yet — they're too busy focusing on the farmers protests and associated highway blockades over here right now — but it was reported (with video footage) at the website of the Christian-democrat news outlet, and so I'll just give you guys the quick rundown. I cannot embed the video here because they're using a (quite popular) proprietary embedded player.

A team of IDF commandos — men and women — have entered the Ibn Sina hospital on the west bank of the river Jordan while dressed as doctors, nurses and Palestinian patients, their assault rifles and submachine guns concealed, with the intent of summarily executing three Hamas members. They have succeeded in their mission.

This is officially a war crime by any stretch of the imagination. And of course, the Israeli excuse is the same as it has so far always been, i.e. that the hospital was harboring a Hamas terrorist cell.

The article — in Dutch, but with the video — can be found here.