Robert Kennedy Junior--Turns out he has a strained relationship with the truth, too!

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An interesting article by Naomi Klein about RFK. I liked a few things about him, like his stance on the environment, his anti-war views, and it seemed like he was sincere about vaccines, if misguided.

I was surprised when I read this. Klein is a top knotch journalist and politically astute as heck. I trust her. Her article is the second one in a few days that have raised a red flag for me about Kennedy.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-not-an-option

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This is a shocker too....Paul Offit finally speaks out about how Kennedy twisted his words about vaccines, or lied. Hard to tell. But if you are going to excoriate someone publicly you should probably not talk off the top of your head.

https://misinformationkills.substack.com/cp/131333450

[Aianawa]

Sure theys will find more.

[Aianawa]

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Mainstream media seems to want RFK to take back his words about his own vaccine mishaps, and the chronic health conditions resulting from it.

Or else.

[Emil El Zapato]

Nothing about those articles surprises me, OG...they are a par for the course for the package that comes in the form of an RFK Jr. It is just a rewording of the script.

[Fred Steeves]

I don’t think Naomi Klein, especially writing for an establishment mouthpiece like The Guardian, is properly seated to define this guy. Does he have some baggage? Absolutely, for instance his stance on Israel/Palestinian issue, but she jumps the shark just a little too easily for my taste.

I mean she actually speaks of him in the same breath as #18 and the Nazis FFS… just that right there is game over for me. Anyone is perfectly free to criticize his vax stances, but the man is by no means a Nazi concentration camp doctor. That pisses me off, and I’ll betchya I ain’t the only one - the times they are a changin.

It’s an open secret the democrat party’s long knives are out for him, nobody challenges their empty suit puppets sitting in the big chair, but they’re gonna have to do better than this. Much better.

The battle should be on the debate stage, in the marketplace of ideas, and if he’s this god awful bad that should be easy pickens for any would be critic or challenger; but the democrats don’t like debates, they like throwing rotten tomatoes from the cheap seats and that’s all they’ve got.

As an aside, it’s going to be interesting to see how they go after Cornel West, will they use the traditional slash and burn tactics on a highly intelligent and respected black man?

Better be careful with that one as well…


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3qndXvBmr0

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Fred, I hear you and am probably as skeptical of mainstream as you. That being said, I can't dismiss Klein, who is clearly a true democratic socialist, not a pretend one. I agree that she shouldn't bring up Nazis in the same breath as RFK, for obvious reasons.

But what she is highlighting is his walking back his environmental and anti-war stance, and she provides quotes of his own statements. She also emphasizes that he is getting an overwhelming positive response for good reason. And that she agrees with most of them, including his criticizing Big Pharma and mega corporations. He's changing his position though. That's her point.

Klein is not part of the Democrat mainstream media machinery. She's not American. Her point is Kennedy is not particularly anti-establishment. He is very much status quo Democrat, except for his continued lambasting of vaccines.

If you haven't read the Paul Offit letter, you should. Kennedy can ignore it or respond to it.

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Mainstream media seems to want RFK to take back his words about his own vaccine mishaps, and the chronic health conditions resulting from it.

Or else.

You're making the same mistake you accuse status quo thinkers of making, DB. Did you read the Offit letter about Kennedy? I provided a link. As far as side effects of vaccine go--yes there have been some. They HAVE been minimized by those who refuse to entertain the notion that vaccines have a down side.

But, the other end of the spectrum are those who take vaccine injuries out of context without looking at all of the injury covid itself has caused, including lingering effects caused by breakthrough infections, when the vaccine stopped being as effective.


I had Delta and thank God I didn't get the original strain, due to vaccination. And no, it wasn't a vaccine injury.

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Do status quo thinkers also have problems with MSM or not? This isn't a left or right issue, its a media issue I'm watching.. RFKs vaccine problem had nothing to do with Covid 19 btw. I was given my own personal observations between RFK and journalists. They seem to take a offensive that he had a vaccine injury like he betrayed them somehow.

[Fred Steeves]

But what she is highlighting is his walking back his environmental and anti-war stance, and she provides quotes of his own statements.

Well, what i saw her doing is cherry picking certain statements, and then framing them in the worst possible light.

She also emphasizes that he is getting an overwhelming positive response for good reason. And that she agrees with most of them, including his criticizing Big Pharma and mega corporations. He's changing his position though. That's her point.

See above.

Klein is not part of the Democrat mainstream media machinery. She's not American.

She doesn't have to be, same as the rag she's writing for doesn't have to be American, to run continuous pro American propaganda.

Her point is Kennedy is not particularly anti-establishment. He is very much status quo Democrat, except for his continued lambasting of vaccines.

If this guy is really so milk toast vanilla, why are the long knives out?

If you haven't read the Paul Offit letter, you should. Kennedy can ignore it or respond to it.

I read it. If what he says is true he has a right to be upset. I'd like to see the two of them go over this face to face.

But that's a problem, many people in the mainstream are unwilling to even interview the guy, like CNN's Jake Tapper. Or won't debate him, like COVID vaccine proponent Dr. Peter Hotez, but he's more than happy to go on MSNBC, and complain about him to their hit man Mehdi Hasan.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...nger_show.html

Are the Covid vaccines so deeply proven science, and over a number of years, that they are beyond reproach? No debates necessary any more?

This show is highly critical of him, but they had him on to answer to their critiques, that's what I want to see. I just got done listening to the whole thing and they did a very professional, thorough job of questioning him on, pretty much everything. I'm not here to carry water for the guy, if he has some serious issues than interviews like this one will surely reveal them; but whether she meant to or not, I still contend that piece by Naomi Klein was carrying water for establishment interests in how she went about that.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqtONE93APQ

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Status quo thinkers, imo, absorb their favorite form of mainstream media without question. Those who challenge mainstream media are aware MSM are highly conflicted and tools of the government and large corporations.

I read the Guardian selectively. There are some journalists, usually freelance, that I trust and many I don't. And then some are so untrustworthy they are perfect contrary indicators. I know I am on the right track if I disagree with them completely. Those types serve a purpose in a round about way. If they are permanent staff of a large publication they usually have decent salaries. George Monbiot is likely paid well--for example.

Freelancers for MSM, live in poverty, most often, but enjoy their work -- and what they see as the truth is important to them. Financial reward is secondary, judging by the way they live. Insofar as they value the truth, they remain freelancers. The Guardian, for example, will publish their work on occasion, to give their publication the appearance of objectivity, but it is tokenism.

If you really want to clean up, as a journalist, you do what Matt Taibi has done, which is start your own substack and live off the proceeds of thousands of paid subscribers. That would seem to be a wise work around, in terms of being able to make a good income and tell the truth.

But, the problem for people like Matt and alternative news Youtube personalities is they become hostage to their audience's perceptions, the current one being, "MSM can NEVER be trusted....ever." So they have to cling to that narrative, even when MSM, gets something basically right.

Matt, then becomes just as hamstrung as if he were employed by an MSM publication, not because he is afraid of being fired, but because he is afraid of losing subscribers--essentially the same thing.

I'm using Matt as an example. I don't know what his views on vaccines are. I do know that there was a fortune to be made by exaggerating vaccine injury claims, particularly if you already had an audience through MSM publications, like Rolling Stone.

Alternative media personalities should be viewed with the same microscope they use to dissect MSM.

You mentioned that RFK has a vaccine injury? Wasn't aware of that. What is his injury?

[Emil El Zapato]

All media is subject to the same scrutiny, by us, the individual. Some 'characters', in fact, most characters fit some mold that we impose our beliefs on. I've never seen an outlier personality make a dent, we live in a society that is more contortionist than sane and sober and lives by rules that all people can tap into. What has been taken to the next level is not that most politicians are liars but now most politicians are insane as well. It can only go downhill from here for one side while the other side will be left slackjawed.

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Well, what i saw her doing is cherry picking certain statements, and then framing them in the worst possible light.



See above.



She doesn't have to be, same as the rag she's writing for doesn't have to be American, to run continuous pro American propaganda.



If this guy is really so milk toast vanilla, why are the long knives out?



I read it. If what he says is true he has a right to be upset. I'd like to see the two of them go over this face to face.

But that's a problem, many people in the mainstream are unwilling to even interview the guy, like CNN's Jake Tapper. Or won't debate him, like COVID vaccine proponent Dr. Peter Hotez, but he's more than happy to go on MSNBC, and complain about him to their hit man Mehdi Hasan.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...nger_show.html

Are the Covid vaccines so deeply proven science, and over a number of years, that they are beyond reproach? No debates necessary any more?

This show is highly critical of him, but they had him on to answer to their critiques, that's what I want to see. I just got done listening to the whole thing and they did a very professional, thorough job of questioning him on, pretty much everything. I'm not here to carry water for the guy, if he has some serious issues than interviews like this one will surely reveal them; but whether she meant to or not, I still contend that piece by Naomi Klein was carrying water for establishment interests in how she went about that.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqtONE93APQ

Am watching. It's interesting. Naomi Klein may have inadvertently carried water for the establishment but I can tell you quite honestly, it's unlikely that was her intent. I noticed that one of her beefs was that he said he'd pretty much seal the borders to Mexico. In this interview he responds that yes, he would do that--but he would also open up legal immigration. But she may have been listening to a speech he made in Texas, where he may have left out the last part. So she could be cherry picking, for sure. But it could also be that he is tailoring what he says to fit a particular audience.

I've watched half of it and will watch the rest later. I agree that the long knives are out for him. That's a no-brainer. Will respond more later. Thanks for the vid, Fweddie.

[Aianawa]

Gotta say it, can anybody see this movie in play at all ?, Dia Bee, your a wise owl n good at seeing patterns ?. Know i am a broken record but we are watching a script, JNR was shoulder tapped to wake people up, especialllly from the other side as such, just like biden before him and Trump before him. 11.3 n or 1.13