Intelligence officials say the US has retrieved craft of non-human origin

**Chuckie** · 3rd August 2023, 11:55

Originally posted by Silly Wabbit

Pardon my disgruntled rant at the end, but I am so tired of this ball and cup game, where people who want actual truth have to spend their entire adult live's flipping through trash for any scrap of truth, as those who believe they are our leaders, aren't honest... It has gotten beyond revolting at this point...

I want to admit I have yet to finish the entire thread, but what made me stop and not take this seriously, as anything more than an "orchestrated event", is that the same language is being used everywhere when it comes to any kind of disclosure..... and this is no exception...

Is it not the case that when someone "Whistleblows"... That "Whistle blowing" means everyone hears the alarm? Edward Snowden comes to mind here, yet these same individuals are using the same "Bait and Switch" techniques that they always do, and it is BEYOND laughable at this point..

"Some didn't have high enough clearances to learn some details..." Just more: "I heard", "I read", "I saw..." But all I can do is make suggestions without details because you can't know... UM FOLKS, that is not a whistle blower... It's a dog and pony show...And who are they telling anyway? The one's who have been lying to the public about it FOREVER already...

You yourself, aren't in "the club" so I can't prove it to you, and those that DID get the testimony and information, well, they already knew, and they have been the one's covering it up all along... and they're certainly NOT going to tell YOU...

These individuals have a problem with morals and human ethics, and all should have failed background clearance checks... The first question is probably, "Would you lie to the public if we asked you to, and never expose the truth?" Some code of honor, the phrase itself is laughable... I can't believe I wasted so much time of my life hoping that any of these schmuck's had any integrity.

I have to agree with that...'they' decide who is lying and who isn't.

**Silly Wabbit** · 4th August 2023, 15:52

I do apologize for the rant... (I have had a very rough month, and am just now calming back down... So I do apologize )...

I can't help but recognize that all individuals have lives outside of trying to get some solid footing in life, in some "Truth"... And I watch many extremely well rounded individuals, with the best of intentions, spend their entire lives trying to find it.. Such as Aragorn who is very well read and versed in studying things for the truth, and everyone else here who is speculating on what everything could honestly mean... And writing out very well thought out assessments and thoughts about such things... Fred, Wind, And even Chuckie (giggle) all of you put time into this, and it matters... at least to me...

I feel even worse for those individuals who spend their entire lives trying to help others gain truth, only to be shamed and publicly humiliated if they believe something and share it, that turns out to be wrong.. It's a mess, and a poor look for what many wish to believed is a civilized and educated culture...

I suppose I am more just disappointed when things happen, like Greer stepping in front of others as if to claim their lives and knowledge as his property, for ego sake, not for any "Truth".

And when I read things like "Intelligence officer" this and that... I almost want to laugh because any intelligent individual would know that in order to have a strong species, it would be more beneficial to teach everyone as much as possible, so we stand strong and united.. Yet greed, and power have tainted even the most intelligent minds to believe the opposite... And in my opinion, it is a lack of morality, and peer pressure that keeps them from "Doing the right thing" in such conditions... So truly, why are these people considered to be intelligent?

And the worst part is, they probably think they're doing it for good reasons.

I now need to go back and see the many pages I missed of this long thread, that many have placed real effort into... To see if anyone was able to dig deep enough to sift out the nonsense... Thank You all for putting so much thought into all of the threads, and really trying to make a difference... At least some can still operate from a place of decency... And it is appreciated...

**Octopus Garden** · 7th August 2023, 00:54

Originally posted by Silly Wabbit

I do apologize for the rant... (I have had a very rough month, and am just now calming back down... So I do apologize )...

I suppose I am more just disappointed when things happen, like Greer stepping in front of others as if to claim their lives and knowledge as his property, for ego sake, not for any "Truth".

And when I read things like "Intelligence officer" this and that... I almost want to laugh because any intelligent individual would know that in order to have a strong species, it would be more beneficial to teach everyone as much as possible, so we stand strong and united.. Yet greed, and power have tainted even the most intelligent minds to believe the opposite... And in my opinion, it is a lack of morality, and peer pressure that keeps them from "Doing the right thing" in such conditions... So truly, why are these people considered to be intelligent?

And the worst part is, they probably think they're doing it for good reasons.

I now need to go back and see the many pages I missed of this long thread, that many have placed real effort into... To see if anyone was able to dig deep enough to sift out the nonsense... Thank You all for putting so much thought into all of the threads, and really trying to make a difference... At least some can still operate from a place of decency... And it is appreciated...

I'm not sure what your paragraph means about "intelligent officials" make you want to laugh, with regards disclosure??

But if I understand correctly, the issue is about distrust of testimony by intelligence officials when it comes to removing the veils. I get that. I also understand that it's a two or more tier problem. In order to remove some of the veils of coversion a person from the intelligence community would be best able to do that. Someone like Grush.

The other tier, is the NHI itself, which requires study by a number of disciplines. If you are studying something that is more intelligent and studying you back, it's no longer purely a science problem. It becomes an intelligence issue. Lue Elizondo, in that case is well placed, as he has that background and also a degree in bio-science of some kind.

Anyway, don't know if I interpreted your comments correctly, but this is what made me think.

I'm so sorry you've been having a lousy time. Hope you are feeling better today, Rabbit.

**Silly Wabbit** · 21st August 2023, 19:55

Originally posted by Octopus Garden

Hope you are feeling better today, Rabbit.

We had a big loss in the family... Things are settling down now, Thank You for caring and understanding...

I suppose what I was getting at is this...

First, it isn't "Distrust".. The scene itself is rife with contradictions... And I am hoping that by sharing my thoughts on the matter, it will open up others to reevaluate what they focus on, when making their own assessments of what the "Subject" is giving us back... And people are not making the connections.. They're tying one thing to another when it doesn't even apply, as they desperately want some answers, so they're willing to accept any credentials, as "authority" in a field in which they do not even remotely apply... For example... LOU.

You brought up Lou Elizondo, and his bioscience background. He is "In the loop" as he claims in his testimony, what was it? AATIP?... I have no issues wih Lou... And he may have some bioscience background, but I believe we are dealing with much more than just a few credentials can cover. And if we were gauging the output from one whistleblower, well? I believe their testimony should reflect that which they specialize in. Yet he doesn't cover bioscience in his talks, he merely states that they have foreign craft material, and TTSA was going to create something using said materials.

Lou then walked out into the public, unarmed as far as having really anything of huge signifigance that he could or would share...

So his degrees, if any, are mute in this discussion on the matter of what he is actually partaking in. So his credibility factor based upon his claims, and what he is actually educated in, aren't even remotely similar. Yet those credentials are being noted... Why, if they do not apply in any way?

Now if Lou was a scientist that specialized in raw materials, and physics, or even the aerospace industry, bringing up his credentials would mean something in that context. We have been trained to examine someone with "degrees", as someone who has more advanced education, and should be taken seriously... Essentially, would you call a proctologist to perform open heart surgery on you? I surely wouldn't...

Only if their craft are biological in nature, or he has worked with the et themselves, would biology come into play here... And no matter how well he did in school to get that degree, it means nothing given what he suggests he is trying to do. Much like someone with a degree in psychology then going on to land management, hired merely because they had a masters degree in ANY given field available to them...

Hal Puthoff... Now THAT is a gentlemen I would like to meet in my lifetime, and have an open and frank conversation with...

For me, when these individuals come out and join the "Disclosure task force".. I cannot help but see things, such as the discrepancy in his credentials, versus what he goes on to actually engage in. It just lights up like an error on a spelling test, in glaring red ink... (Not literally, but I notice it like an immediate "red flag".

Now I do want to note that just because he studied something entirely different than what he went on to do.. Doesn't mean that he isn't credible. Many run of the mill humans have contacts without any qualifications in anything specific... I just think that seperating the two, would be wise, given the one credential does not support his actual efforts now.

Those who are in positions of "Assumed authority" in this world, are hand picked on their ability to more follow commands, and keep secrets. I strongly feel that most of them aren't any more intelligent than their neighbors, but they merely have more information, being in on the "Loop of secrets"... That is what it all boils down to... In my opinion.

I find it amusing that most et will single out others who are NOT in that structure, when making actual "contacts..." And perhaps those in the intelligence agencies should consider that... As I am sure there is a reason for this... Their minds aren't preprogrammed to just regurgatate what they have been told, so they still retain the ability for free thought... Unmolested by a corrupt educational system...

I believe intelligence comes in many forms... Street smarts, book smarts, creativity, problem solving, emotional intelligence, the ability to rationalize those things that defy logic, mathmatics, engineering... etc. A degree in anything, is nothing more than a piece of paper with a golden star on it, suggesting you read the literature, and were able to parrot it back accurately upon request. In some cases it is truly valuable, in many, it is useless. It is the same thing they do in the classroom only on a larger scale. But in some cases, some actually perform the experiments that come along with the book knowledge. Kudos to putting it to practical use...

Many can do just that if taking the same courses, or being pulled into the same projects... And in many areas, many do, at home, in their spare time, in their garages... Apple comes to mind here...

Many learn things, but intelligence is the ability to put it to practical use... To learn from trial and error, and to gain wisdom from having done so... Knowing alone, is not considered a marker of intelligence. One can be taught to assemble a watch, yet never know how the thing actually works... Do you know what I mean?

It's my opinion, that those that excel, are also given access to more advanced information, that is not shared with the general public. So this doesn't mean that they are any "smarter", just that they have better access to such things.

I am not trying to belittle the efforts, or to take away from anyone's disclosures, but I am a contactee who has had some incredible experiences... And from that perspective, I now have a different view on some things... I have had interactions with the "Others".. And I can tell you that they can drop an entire set of encyclopedias directly into your mind nearly instantaneously if they so desire. And while it may take a long while for the mind to sift through it, and file it away for future use, the information is there... So "Knowledge" is a mute point, as they can bring someone up to "Speed" as far as book smarts, nearly instantaneously, if they so desire...

So again, those fancy background degrees mean nothing to me, unless they are dealing with dead et who cannot share information with them. Only then will their schooling need to come into play there. And their biological degrees... And only in the study of their lifeforms, not their cultures, craft, or anything else.

I think we are looking at the subject from the human perspective, and negating the major differences between our intelligence and theirs. They can engage a human mind, and turn it into basically a super computer from afar... Forget sitting in a classroom for years, and learning, we are talking about instant knowledge being sent to the mind, in real time...

This Literally levels the playing field as far as "education". One minute you are talking to others using your mouth, and instantaniously you are telepathically communicating, and exchanging volumes of information at a speed unlike anything humanity has ever known. Often times they answer you before you ask any question and you have to slow them down and ask, "Is it this question that you just answered???" It is like an evolution of the human mind of millions of years... Instantaneously.

So I do have some issues with the "Intelligence agencies"... Not when it comes to human safety and such, but the massive over reached they partake in, when it comes to privacy and the right to live our lives without their intrusions... they can make all kinds of claims, such as humans are being abducted, so we need to know where you all are at all times.. We need to worry about clones and replacements, we need to worry about... (enter anything you wish here...) But the reality is, people would be much more readily available if they were honest for a change...

If they came out and said, "They're harvesting humans on a scale unimaginable, and we didn't want to frighten anyone".. Well I think people would say, "Well if we knew, perhaps we could help problem solve the matter"... But they're too self important these days.. Thinking they hold their finger to the pulse of the entire planet, and it is their right to make important decisions on behalf of the entirety of the species known of as human.

It wouldn't surprise me if the things caching fire, or 9/11 was actually the et, sending a message to those who claim "Intelligence"... And while the et would say they warned us, the powers that "Claim to be" would claim that this is what they have been trying to protect us from... We will never get the full truth...

I watched part of the original "The Day The Earth Stood Still" lastnight, the scene where the et told humans that if they brought their warring ways off planet, we would be facing a burning planet... And I couldn't help but wonder if the fires these days are a representation of just that... Warning shots across the bow... Or from another country, where they too, have the same pilfered technologies at their fingertips.

What I have surmised is that we have NOT gotten from horse drawn carriages, to the world at our fingertips within just 100 years unaided. It isn't the technologies that we were given, or took, (Or found) that worries them, it is what we choose to do with them.. And thus far, I see them all being used for nothing more than war advantages, population control, and harm to both the planet and humanity...

And THAT is not very "intelligent" in my opinion.

These are just my thoughts... And everyone is welcome to disagree. I am not going into woo woo or astrology, or channeling here, just using and applying my own version of common sense... Based upon my own interactions with the phenomenon... And I could be off base... But I think the age of instant internet fame, is truly making things even more challenging and complicated... So I am just doing my best, given the time I have, to make sense of it all...

**Chuckie** · 22nd August 2023, 17:27

Originally posted by Silly Wabbit

These are just my thoughts... And everyone is welcome to disagree. I am not going into woo woo or astrology, or channeling here, just using and applying my own version of common sense... Based upon my own interactions with the phenomenon... And I could be off base... But I think the age of instant internet fame, is truly making things even more challenging and complicated... So I am just doing my best, given the time I have, to make sense of it all...

Agreed, a good post!

**Chuckie** · 23rd August 2023, 12:59

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**Chuckie** · 23rd August 2023, 15:09

That's the guy that debunked the Atacama skeleton. Dr. Greer was really miffed that Nolan adjudged it a pre-term female. (And he probably didn't get the 100's of thousands of dollars in the process).

What do 'they' believe? That question has been asked before...It's a really good question.

**Aragorn** · 13th September 2023, 21:56

Source: Slashdot

A journalist and researcher on unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP), or UFOs as they're better known, presented the remains of purported "non-human" beings to lawmakers in Mexico on Tuesday during the country's first public congressional hearing on the topic. From a report:

Jamie Maussan brought two boxes containing what he said were the small, stuffed bodies of extraterrestrials recovered in Peru in 2017. He said carbon-14 dating carried out by the National Autonomous University of Mexico had determined the remains were 700 and 1,800 years old. Each of the figures has only three fingers on each hand and elongated heads, resembling, at least superficially, the Hollywood-born character ET.

"This is the first time it (extraterrestrial life) is presented in such a form and I think there is a clear demonstration that we are dealing with non-human specimens that are not related to any other species in our world," Maussan told the lawmakers, urging them to consider the topic, which he said should not be viewed as "a political topic -- it's a topic for humanity." He said DNA evidence could prove the specimens were not of this planet, but it wasn't clear if any such tests had been carried out. At least one previous claim by Maussan about purported "non-human" remains discovered in Peru has been debunked, though the specimens he presented Tuesday in Mexico City appeared different to the one he previously spoke about in 2015.

Source: Slashdot

Source: CBS News

MEXICO -- The remains of alleged "non-human" beings were presented Tuesday at Mexico's first public congressional hearing on Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAPs), also known as UFOs.

The two stuffed bodies recovered 2017 in Peru were 700 and 1,800 years old, with only three fingers on each hand and elongated heads.

Mexican journalist and researcher on the topic Jaime Maussan said it was a clear demonstration that the presented bodies were non-human specimens. Researchers could prove that the DNA of the two mummies did not belong to human beings.

The hearing aimed to rule on the phenomenon in the Aerial Space Protection Law, which would turn Mexico into the first country in the world to acknowledge the presence of aliens on the planet, local media reported.

Source: CBS News