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    Quote Originally posted by Chuckie View Post
    I don't know why Grusch did this but I wouldn't be as literal as Loeb...
    I find it highly ironic that Avi Loeb, of all people, largely assumes the role of a debunker here and demands evidence, given that he himself is the guy who stated — without a shred of evidence — that Uma Thurman Oumuamua was an alien probe.

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    Two possibilities (black hole existence). I saw a video the other day but didn't watch that was claiming we live in a black hole (that would be an outre possibility).
    I've explained this a few times already. We are not actually living inside a black hole, but for all intents and purposes, one could regard our universe as such due to the expansion of the universe at the edges happening faster than the speed of light, just as the escape velocity of a black hole is also greater than the speed of light.

    Just as with Einstein's metaphor of the elevator in which the experience of gravity is indistinguishable from acceleration — and indeed, gravity is an acceleration — our relative position in spacetime with regard to the outer edges of the expanding universe is indistinguishable from being inside the event horizon of a black hole — in both cases, we cannot look beyond the event horizon. Inside the event horizon of a black hole, time becomes a spatial dimension, and this appears to be the same near the edges of the expanding universe.

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    Secondly, he might have confused the idea of 'formations' and breaking apart and re-assembling as indications of interdimensional action which aren't holographic.
    I agree that the term "holographic" is indeed a poor choice of words here. But as far as interdimensional physics are concerned, yes, I'm fully onboard with there being an interdimensional aspect to the way some of these objects travel, and definitely to the sightings of objects that appear non-solid and/or morphing.

    If it morphs, then that's a solid indication that the object being observed is only the intersection of a higher-dimensional object with our "3+1" spacetime. And considering that we're with the utmost certainty talking of vessels made up of tangible matter — and thus, particles with a rest mass — which can travel interstellar distances in a non-relativistic way, there is no other option than that there would be some interdimensional factor involved.

    Nothing with a rest mass can even attain the speed of light, because it would require an infinite amount of energy over a finite time of acceleration, or a finite amount of energy over an infinite time of acceleration. But even then still, if that were possible, then there's also the fact that anything made of matter and attempting to surpass the speed of light by relativistic means would by definition disintegrate as a result of the fact that the forces holding atoms and molecules together work at the speed of light. In addition to that, there would as such also not be any possibility for the pilot(s) to control the vessel by way of either electronics or optics, because they too would only work at the speed of light.

    As such, there are only a few ways that anything could be traveling at a velocity perceived to be faster than the speed of light — "perceived" in the sense that the object would be traversing a certain distance in less time than it would take at the speed of light in a vacuum — and all of them involve higher-dimensional physics, i.e. ...:

    • warping spacetime as theorized by Miguel Alcubierre;
    • a shortcut between two points in spacetime by way of a tunnel that itself runs through a higher-dimensional hyperspace — i.e. a wormhole, also known as an Einstein-Rosen bridge;
    • quantum teleportation;
    • if brane theory — a variant of string theory — is correct, shifting from one brane onto another, which is in fact analogous to the wormhole in that it's a shortcut and that it requires a hyperdimensional hyperspace.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I find it highly ironic that Avi Loeb, of all people, largely assumes the role of a debunker here and demands evidence, given that he himself is the guy who stated — without a shred of evidence — that Uma Thurman Oumuamua was an alien probe.



    I've explained this a few times already. We are not actually living inside a black hole, but for all intents and purposes, one could regard our universe as such due to the expansion of the universe at the edges happening faster than the speed of light, just as the escape velocity of a black hole is also greater than the speed of light.

    Just as with Einstein's metaphor of the elevator in which the experience of gravity is indistinguishable from acceleration — and indeed, gravity is an acceleration — our relative position in spacetime with regard to the outer edges of the expanding universe is indistinguishable from being inside the event horizon of a black hole — in both cases, we cannot look beyond the event horizon. Inside the event horizon of a black hole, time becomes a spatial dimension, and this appears to be the same near the edges of the expanding universe.



    I agree that the term "holographic" is indeed a poor choice of words here. But as far as interdimensional physics are concerned, yes, I'm fully onboard with there being an interdimensional aspect to the way some of these objects travel, and definitely to the sightings of objects that appear non-solid and/or morphing.

    If it morphs, then that's a solid indication that the object being observed is only the intersection of a higher-dimensional object with our "3+1" spacetime. And considering that we're with the utmost certainty talking of vessels made up of tangible matter — and thus, particles with a rest mass — which can travel interstellar distances in a non-relativistic way, there is no other option than that there would be some interdimensional factor involved.

    Nothing with a rest mass can even attain the speed of light, because it would require an infinite amount of energy over a finite time of acceleration, or a finite amount of energy over an infinite time of acceleration. But even then still, if that were possible, then there's also the fact that anything made of matter and attempting to surpass the speed of light by relativistic means would by definition disintegrate as a result of the fact that the forces holding atoms and molecules together work at the speed of light. In addition to that, there would as such also not be any possibility for the pilot(s) to control the vessel by way of either electronics or optics, because they too would only work at the speed of light.

    As such, there are only a few ways that anything could be traveling at a velocity perceived to be faster than the speed of light — "perceived" in the sense that the object would be traversing a certain distance in less time than it would take at the speed of light in a vacuum — and all of them involve higher-dimensional physics, i.e. ...:

    • warping spacetime as theorized by Miguel Alcubierre;
    • a shortcut between two points in spacetime by way of a tunnel that itself runs through a higher-dimensional hyperspace — i.e. a wormhole, also known as an Einstein-Rosen bridge;
    • quantum teleportation;
    • if brane theory — a variant of string theory — is correct, shifting from one brane onto another, which is in fact analogous to the wormhole in that it's a shortcut and that it requires a hyperdimensional hyperspace.
    Agreed ...

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    The real problem was that Grusch mentioned that he had a degree in physics (I think) and then he made that 'off the cuff' statement which I believe hurt his credibility.
    Coincidentally over our American holiday, I met a guy that was training to fly F-35s. I didn't get a chance to ask him about UAP's, I think they are bound by security restrictions but who knows (I couldn't tell if he had been drinking or not) .
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    Quote Originally posted by Chuckie View Post
    Agreed ...
    Me too, though lack the IQ and affinity for physics to understand. Maybe if I read it over several times, something might click though.

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    I looked for an interview between Michael Smerconish and Avi Loeb..."Professional and personal interests" are creeping into his narrative.

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    Me too, though lack the IQ and affinity for physics to understand. Maybe if I read it over several times, something might click though.
    I'm sure you could ...

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    A bit of a change of topic here, but maybe somebody here can help me with this thought and it may relate to the topic in an indirect way. It's about time, with a capital T.

    Is there some kind of Planck point of moments? Because, it seems that being "in the moment" or description of present tense, is just a kind of device that is useful as a loose approximation.

    If I break down the current moment, which is always retreating into the past, into smaller and smaller increments, doesn't it seem that we are really floating in a sea of past and future? There is no actual present moment, and expressions like, "all at once," are equally illusory?

    And the idea that "all you have is the present moment," is a bit ridiculous?

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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    And the idea that "all you have is the present moment," is a bit ridiculous?
    But what else you have than the present moment? The past is only a memory and the future is potential.


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX8j9TE7P38
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    Wind, I'm describing it in the strictest sense only. I'm sitting here in this chair and contemplating my own history that happened a millisecond ago, but I call it the "present moment" when it's not really.

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    This is what I was trying to say.

    "Whatever is defined in time needs to have duration. But what’s the demarcation point between past and future? The present is as thin as it can be. In fact, mathematically, we define the now as a single point in time.

    This point is an abstraction and, believe it or not, it has no duration. Ergo, mathematically, the present is a point in time with no duration: the present doesn’t exist!

    Our minds create the feeling of duration so that we can attribute reality to “now.” (Here’s a TEDx talk explaining how this works cognitively.)"

    https://orbitermag.com/no-such-thing-as-now/

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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    Me too, though lack the IQ and affinity for physics to understand. Maybe if I read it over several times, something might click though.
    If you need me to explain a certain thing, just ask. The video below will already explain the basics.


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    I always thought the late great physicist Alan Watts had a good simple way of describing it:

    The past is a memory, the future an expectation, neither past nor future actually exist, there is simply eternal now.
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    I always thought the late great physicist Alan Watts had a good simple way of describing it:
    Indeed!
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    I always thought the late great physicist Alan Watts had a good simple way of describing it:

    The past is a memory, the future an expectation, neither past nor future actually exist, there is simply eternal now.
    I like Albert Einstein's description better...


    "Reality is only an illusion, however persistent."


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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I like Albert Einstein's description better...


    "Reality is only an illusion, however persistent."


    That is an oldie but goodie, but the question is when in the persistent illusion?
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I like Albert Einstein's description better...


    "Reality is only an illusion, however persistent."


    That is an oldie but goodie, but the question is when in the persistent illusion?
    Everywhere and everywhen. Yes, it's a new word. You heard it here first!

    General Relativity was a very famous dude, you know. Fought many battles, then got to serve at the Pentagon, and all that.
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